FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[mr_b]

While I'm fine with NPU getting the POW honors due to their historic win, the idea that anyone had a better day on defense than Jake Holaday for Wheaton, with his team leading 10 tackles and 3.5 sacks vs Carroll is far fetched and illustrates that these awards are not (and never have been)based on merit across the league.

It's hard to do an apples-to-oranges comparison when weighing the impact from two different defensive positions.  DL Holliday had an outstanding game based on those stats, but DB Nieves did, too, with eight tackles (two for loss -- so in essence on par with a sack), two forced turnovers, and an INT to secure the victory.

[CardinalAlum]

While I'm fine with NPU getting the POW honors due to their historic win, the idea that anyone had a better day on defense than Jake Holaday for Wheaton, with his team leading 10 tackles and 3.5 sacks vs Carroll is far fetched and illustrates that these awards are not (and never have been)based on merit across the league.

At least we aren't talking about soccer anymore.

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[CardinalAlum]

Dear Opposing Offensive Coordinators,

Please stop trying to reach block Jake Holladay and Dallas McCrae. I have seen every team try this over the past 3 years with zero success. Was there a coaches convention where you all agreed this was a good idea or do you not watch tape? I am not sure I understand the strategy. Double team or block down and pull around are your best options. You can continue to try reach blocks at your own peril.

Sincerely,

A Concerned Observer

Clearly your letter didn't reach Waukesha! 

[USee]

While I'm fine with NPU getting the POW honors due to their historic win, the idea that anyone had a better day on defense than Jake Holaday for Wheaton, with his team leading 10 tackles and 3.5 sacks vs Carroll is far fetched and illustrates that these awards are not (and never have been)based on merit across the league.

It's hard to do an apples-to-oranges comparison when weighing the impact from two different defensive positions.  DL Holliday had an outstanding game based on those stats, but DB Nieves did, too, with eight tackles (two for loss -- so in essence on par with a sack), two forced turnovers, and an INT to secure the victory.

Hmmmm. I preface my rebuttal by again stating I'm ok with Nieves getting the award. If you can point me to the last DT to lead their team in total tackle in a game, let alone a single DL getting 3.5 sacks in one game, I'd be happy to defer to your analysis. On the flip side, a DB with 8+ tackles and an INT is an almost weekly occurrence in the league.  I won't even mention the hypocrisy of naming a Defensive player whose team gave up over 30 pts.

The point is POW for the CCIW is not based on merit across the league. See the fact that two of the nations leading defenses have had multiple players on the D3 POW in weeks the CCIW did not honor those players.

[Gotberg]

While I'm fine with NPU getting the POW honors due to their historic win, the idea that anyone had a better day on defense than Jake Holaday for Wheaton, with his team leading 10 tackles and 3.5 sacks vs Carroll is far fetched and illustrates that these awards are not (and never have been)based on merit across the league.

It's hard to do an apples-to-oranges comparison when weighing the impact from two different defensive positions.  DL Holliday had an outstanding game based on those stats, but DB Nieves did, too, with eight tackles (two for loss -- so in essence on par with a sack), two forced turnovers, and an INT to secure the victory.

Hmmmm. I preface my rebuttal by again stating I'm ok with Nieves getting the award. If you can point me to the last DT to lead their team in total tackle in a game, let alone a single DL getting 3.5 sacks in one game, I'd be happy to defer to your analysis. On the flip side, a DB with 8+ tackles and an INT is an almost weekly occurrence in the league.  I won't even mention the hypocrisy of naming a Defensive player whose team gave up over 30 pts.

The point is POW for the CCIW is not based on merit across the league. See the fact that two of the nations leading defenses have had multiple players on the D3 POW in weeks the CCIW did not honor those players.

Nieves' contributions seemed to directly impact NPU's result in a close game and while Holaday's stats are great, the score differential is just too much perhaps?

[USee]

Sure. Let's go with that.

Congrats to Nieves!

[Gregory Sager]

While I'm fine with NPU getting the POW honors due to their historic win, the idea that anyone had a better day on defense than Jake Holaday for Wheaton, with his team leading 10 tackles and 3.5 sacks vs Carroll is far fetched and illustrates that these awards are not (and never have been)based on merit across the league.

It's hard to do an apples-to-oranges comparison when weighing the impact from two different defensive positions.  DL Holliday had an outstanding game based on those stats, but DB Nieves did, too, with eight tackles (two for loss -- so in essence on par with a sack), two forced turnovers, and an INT to secure the victory.

Hmmmm. I preface my rebuttal by again stating I'm ok with Nieves getting the award.

Yeah, right. In essence, you said that Nieves won it because North Park is a charity case. Don't insult our intelligence by expecting us to simply let that slide.

If you can point me to the last DT to lead their team in total tackle in a game, let alone a single DL getting 3.5 sacks in one game, I'd be happy to defer to your analysis. On the flip side, a DB with 8+ tackles and an INT is an almost weekly occurrence in the league.

What you meant to say was a DB with 8 tackles, 2 TFL, a sack, a pass breakup, and an INT. And that is not a weekly occurrence in the league. What's more, the interception was on the NPU 13 with under two minutes left to play and North Park ahead by only three points. The sack? That came the play before, turning a 2nd and 1 into a 3rd and 4.

I won't even mention the hypocrisy of naming a Defensive player whose team gave up over 30 pts.

Well, you did mention it, Doug. And, by the way, it's not hypocrisy at all. You're confusing the CCIW DPOW award with the d3football.com TOW award. As Pat recently informed us, he shies away from awarding defensive players if their teams gave up too many points. Our league office has never made that a stipulation for DPOW.

The point is POW for the CCIW is not based on merit across the league. See the fact that two of the nations leading defenses have had multiple players on the D3 POW in weeks the CCIW did not honor those players.

Oh, boo hoo. I haven't seen any North Central fans whining about that.

Look, we can all see how much you've been hyping Holaday. You've basically switched horses and have gone from being McRae's one-man public relations firm to being Holaday's. And it's entirely your right to do so. What's more, nobody's going to deny that Holaday is having a great season. But if you're going to badmouth another team's player as part of your PR campaign for Holaday, then expect somebody to step up and say something. And if you're going to claim that your boy got jobbed just because the league decided to throw a bone to poor little old North Park, don't expect to get away with that without a response, either.

Wheaton steps on everybody except NCC on the field, and that's fair. That's the way the game is played. But be careful who you're stepping on off of it.

Nieves' contributions seemed to directly impact NPU's result in a close game and while Holaday's stats are great, the score differential is just too much perhaps?

Sure. Let's go with that.

Congrats to Nieves!

Man, oh, man, Doug. Why couldn't you just let it go rather than toss off a sarcastic "Sure. Let's go with that." rejoinder to a North Park poster who was only offering an irenic (and plausible) alternative to your assertion that the league threw a pity party for NPU this week?

[USee]

Well, we are definitely not talking about soccer anymore.

Sager, I don't care enough to walk through the many points you are simply wrong about. I could care less about North Park. If Carthage had won I would have posted the exact same thing about whichever Firebird they would have given the award to.

[npbaseball40]

Congrats to Juan Nieves and Jake Holaday on being named to the d3football.com Team of the Week

[washdupcard]

Even if the city of Naperville doesn't secede from the state of Illinois over the next six days, Norm & Co. are still going to be SOL on Saturday. The Cardinals are going to rip your alma mater's team into green confetti. Three weeks after that it'll be my alma mater's team whose turn it'll be to get fed into the shredder. There's no use wishing otherwise.

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GS,

This might be my favorite post of yours to date!  Let's call it what it is....there's no love lost regarding Norm Eash. Another big win by the Cards would be pretty satisfying to so many!

and by "so many", you are including many very loyal Titans.

That's a really tough place to be in.  I have been there in the Pre Thorne era at NCC.  Knowing that losses are the best thing long term for your school is tough.  Kudos for sticking it out.

Our late 90's "offense" makes so much more sense now!  I wish I knew the fix was in before I battered by brains out. 

[Gregory Sager]

Well, we are definitely not talking about soccer anymore.

Sager, I don't care enough to walk through the many points you are simply wrong about. I could care less about North Park. If Carthage had won I would have posted the exact same thing about whichever Firebird they would have given the award to.

Sure. Let's go with that.

[Gregory Sager]

Congrats to Juan Nieves and Jake Holaday on being named to the d3football.com Team of the Week

Pat, you sly dog!

It is generally of little consequence to us whether a team wins its game -- that doesn't affect their Team of the Week candidacy. Things that do:

• I find it very difficult to name defensive players when a team gives up a ton of points, especially in losses.

In other words, Juan Nieves cleared the "very difficult" bar, correct?

[TrueGreen]

Moving on...
Massey Predictions:
Augie over Carroll 27-24 (Rock Island)
Wheaton over Carthage 41-21 (Wheaton)
NCC over IWU  45-13 (Naperville)
NP over Elmhurst 27-24 (Chicago)
Wash U over Millikin 28-21 (Decatur)

I actually had to look up the sites, because I feel like a couple of these are dependent on home field advantage. I agree with picks, although I still don't see enough love for Wash U?!? IWU shuts out Big Blue and Wash U gives up 21? I don't see that.

When was last time NP was favored? Augie game is VERY interesting! And Massey just pissed off and challenged Dierking (NCC DC). I don't see IWU with double digits at NCC.

[WUPHF]

I am beginning to wonder if Massey Ratings is experiencing a labor shortage or something. 

The Washington University women's soccer team is way underrated, for example. 

A week or so ago, every Division III football team had a 0-0 record.

Things seem off...

[Gregory Sager]

When was last time NP was favored?

Massey had NPU beating Elmhurst two years ago, basically due to home-field advantage. And Massey turned out to be correct, as NPU beat the 'jays (and amply covered the spread), 38-14.

Man, I wish that North Park could play Elmhurst at home every year. Of course, Elmhurst fans wish that they could see the NPU buses pull into the Langhorst parking lot every fall, too.

I am beginning to wonder if Massey Ratings is experiencing a labor shortage or something. 

The Washington University women's soccer team is way underrated, for example. 

A week or so ago, every Division III football team had a 0-0 record.

Things seem off...

Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do ...