FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[thunderdog]

To those NCC fans that chose to relieve themselves in the Wheaton locker room, on the players personal items... stay classy!

Well gee, after a little investigating, it turns out that the Wheaties locker room was NOT used as a urination station either by anyone associated with NCC or not.
The locker room is secured by two security personnel, and the door is locked with a key card necessary for entry.

And One,

Well gee... sure sounds like your "security" personnel and key card are just about as "secure" as Brandon Biden's southern border. I stand by my original post.

[thunderdog]

Well gee, after a little investigating, it turns out that the Wheaties locker room was NOT used as a urination station either by anyone associated with NCC or not.
The locker room is secured by two security personnel, and the door is locked with a key card necessary for entry.

I figured this was a hoax of a story from the beginning.

Cool story bro

[thunderdog]

Well gee, after a little investigating, it turns out that the Wheaties locker room was NOT used as a urination station either by anyone associated with NCC or not.
The locker room is secured by two security personnel, and the door is locked with a key card necessary for entry.

I figured this was a hoax of a story from the beginning.

Given the seriousness of the accusation -- and it was definitely presented here as an accusation rather than as speculation:

To those NCC fans that chose to relieve themselves in the Wheaton locker room, on the players personal items... stay classy!

... I think that Thunderdog owes us an explanation as to his source behind this accusation, and why he found that source and/or the details so compelling as to make such an accusation in this public forum.

If this isn't a hoax, then let's hear from some of the victims and/or witnesses. But if this is indeed a hoax, then Thunderdog is in violation of the Terms of Service of this website. At the least, if I had been the person who had pointed my finger and wrongfully accused people associated with a particular school of this disgusting act of vandalism as though it was an established fact, I would feel compelled to apologize for it.

But that's me.

Interesting take Sager. I seem to recall far, far, far more serious allegations hurled at 5 Wheaton football players back in 2018... accusations that were taken as gospel on these very boards. Reputations were smeared up, down, left, right... don't seem to recall you accusing anyone of violating Terms of Service back then. But have at it... find me in violation all you want.

[thunderdog]

and that's all I gotsta say 'bout that

[Gregory Sager]

To those NCC fans that chose to relieve themselves in the Wheaton locker room, on the players personal items... stay classy!

Well gee, after a little investigating, it turns out that the Wheaties locker room was NOT used as a urination station either by anyone associated with NCC or not.
The locker room is secured by two security personnel, and the door is locked with a key card necessary for entry.

And One,

Well gee... sure sounds like your "security" personnel and key card are just about as "secure" as Brandon Biden's southern border. I stand by my original post.

Really? You're going to respond to this topic by dragging politics into the discussion? Stay classy, indeed.

Well gee, after a little investigating, it turns out that the Wheaties locker room was NOT used as a urination station either by anyone associated with NCC or not.
The locker room is secured by two security personnel, and the door is locked with a key card necessary for entry.

I figured this was a hoax of a story from the beginning.

Given the seriousness of the accusation -- and it was definitely presented here as an accusation rather than as speculation:

To those NCC fans that chose to relieve themselves in the Wheaton locker room, on the players personal items... stay classy!

... I think that Thunderdog owes us an explanation as to his source behind this accusation, and why he found that source and/or the details so compelling as to make such an accusation in this public forum.

If this isn't a hoax, then let's hear from some of the victims and/or witnesses. But if this is indeed a hoax, then Thunderdog is in violation of the Terms of Service of this website. At the least, if I had been the person who had pointed my finger and wrongfully accused people associated with a particular school of this disgusting act of vandalism as though it was an established fact, I would feel compelled to apologize for it.

But that's me.

Interesting take Sager. I seem to recall far, far, far more serious allegations hurled at 5 Wheaton football players back in 2018... accusations that were taken as gospel on these very boards. Reputations were smeared up, down, left, right... don't seem to recall you accusing anyone of violating Terms of Service back then. But have at it... find me in violation all you want.

You're seriously comparing those two incidents? Wow. Talk about a complete lack of perspective.

First, let's look at the specifics of your accusation. The Wheaton parent who gave secondhand testimony here today as to what went on in the Wheaton locker room last Saturday has already moved the goalposts back from your accusation. You specifically said that the Wheaton players' personal items were urinated upon; Mr. Nitz did not back that up, but instead says that there were merely "pools of urine" in the room according to his son, which is not a subtle difference. Furthermore, Mr. Nitz wisely declined to back up your assertion that it was definitely NCC fans who did this:

It was assumed (no certainty of course) that this had been done by some of the NCC alumni screaming obscenities at the team as they went in at halftime.

(Emphasis added.)

It's a logical deduction that one or more people who sought to disrespect Wheaton College and/or the Wheaton football team did this disgusting act, and likewise it makes sense that obscenity-screaming North Central fans outside the locker room would be prime suspects. But a logical deduction without direct evidence is just that: a logical deduction. It isn't proof of anything. Mr. Nitz recognizes that; how come you don't?

As for your comparison of this incident to the Wheaton hazing scandal of a few years ago, need I remind you that Wheaton College eventually backtracked after its initial internal investigation had resulted in the school waving off the accusation and allowing the five accused players to continue playing football for Wheaton, and that they were eventually kicked off the team altogether after an outside investigation had challenged Wheaton's internal findings and criminal charges had subsequently been filed? More importantly, do you recall that three of the five subsequently pleaded guilty in a court of law to misdemeanor battery and were sentenced to a year of conditional discharge (including a fine) and public service, while a fourth pleaded guilty to misdemeanor attempted unlawful restraint and was sentenced to a month of court supervision and the fifth pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct? How does one smear the reputation of a person who eventually pleaded guilty to a crime with regard to the incident for which that person had supposedly been smeared? Those admissions of guilt wipe out any accusations that the reputations of those five young men were smeared by anyone other than themselves.

Pat Coleman is this website's administrator, and he's the one who is in charge of determining who violates the Terms of Service and who isn't. And Pat was all over this board when the hazing incident debate was raging. My point, which you seem to have missed, is that you made an unsupported accusation here that was clearly defamatory, inasmuch as you offered no corroboration for your accusation. Based upon rule #1 of the Terms of Service:

1. Comments or rumors of a defamatory nature without published substantiation will be removed. NO IFS, ANDS OR BUTS. If we haven't noticed them yet, we will and will remove them. Repeat offenders are subject to banning from the system. (That goes for any of the rules laid out on this page.)

... I challenged you to provide substantiation for your accusation, i.e., to protect yourself from being accused of defaming anybody (or, perhaps more accurately, defaming a rival school and its fanbase in general). Mr. Nitz has provided a secondhand account that, to some degree, has supported your accusation. He provided exactly what I was trying to draw out in the first place (albeit in a secondhand fashion). Whether Pat deems it an acceptable form of "published substantiation" in light of rule #1 is his choice, not mine or anybody else's.

The other part of this, given that Next Man Up vouched for the security of the Wheaton locker room as provided by NCC staff, is that (please forgive the tennis metaphor on a football board!) the ball is now in his (and NCC's) court to refute Mr. Nitz's claim that, according to his son, one or more people did enter the Wheaton locker room during the first half and, at the very least, urinated on the floor. I'm very curious to see his response, or that of anybody involved with stadium operations and/or security from the NCC side.


"It's a mystery. And I don't like mysteries. They give me a bellyache, and I've got a beauty right now."
  -- Capt. James T. Kirk, "The Man Trap"

[WUPHF]

Well gee, after a little investigating, it turns out that the Wheaties locker room was NOT used as a urination station either by anyone associated with NCC or not.
The locker room is secured by two security personnel, and the door is locked with a key card necessary for entry.

I figured this was a hoax of a story from the beginning.

Cool story bro

Thanks, appreciate it!

[USee]

Scores so far:

NCC 49 Carroll 0 Half
Elmhurst 0 Wheaton 39 half
IWU 0 Washu 42 half
Augie 7 Millikin 0 1st quarter
Carthage 20 NPU 14 half

[CardinalAlum]

Scores so far:

NCC 49 Carroll 0 Half
Elmhurst 0 Wheaton 39 half
IWU 0 Washu 42 half
Augie 7 Millikin 0 1st quarter
Carthage 20 NPU 14 half

Hey, don't short change us....

NCC-56 Carroll-0 Half

[USee]

I'd love it if Wheaton could find someone who can make an extra point. It has cost them a chance at a national championship (2019), likely a shot at the playoffs this year, missed one last week and 3 today. Not that I'm bitter.....

[USee]

Finals:

Elmhurst 0 Wheaton 56
IWU 14 WashU 59
NCC 73 Carroll 0
Carthage 33 NPU 14
Augie 70 Millikin 0

[Gregory Sager]

It's hard to believe that I was calling the closest game in the league today. Actually, it was close until the fourth quarter, when Carthage's offense found another gear while NPU's continued to stall out.

Otherwise, I can't remember another weekend in CCIW football that was this lopsided in my forty-plus years following this league.

[lmitzel]

It's hard to believe that I was calling the closest game in the league today. Actually, it was close until the fourth quarter, when Carthage's offense found another gear while NPU's continued to stall out.

You also had what I'm assuming is the only game PA'd by a Major League PA guy, which was I thought was cool when I saw it come up on my timeline.

[Gregory Sager]

It's hard to believe that I was calling the closest game in the league today. Actually, it was close until the fourth quarter, when Carthage's offense found another gear while NPU's continued to stall out.

You also had what I'm assuming is the only game PA'd by a Major League PA guy, which was I thought was cool when I saw it come up on my timeline.

I know, right? Jeremiah's a cool guy ... and he did better than alright for someone P.A.'ing football for the very first time ever. When he's not the Voice of Wrigley Field, he's the P.A. guy for UIC sports (UIC is his alma mater), and, of course, UIC dropped its football program all the way back in 1973.

After he introduced the players and turned off the P.A. mic, I said to him that hearing his voice give player introductions gave me a hankering to flag down a beer vendor and a peanut vendor. He got a laugh out of that.

[bleedpurple]

Finals:

Elmhurst 0 Wheaton 56
IWU 14 WashU 59
NCC 73 Carroll 0
Carthage 33 NPU 14
Augie 70 Millikin 0

It almost seems like the CCIW has some "haves" and some "have nots" this year.

[Gregory Sager]

Finals:

Elmhurst 0 Wheaton 56
IWU 14 WashU 59
NCC 73 Carroll 0
Carthage 33 NPU 14
Augie 70 Millikin 0

It almost seems like the CCIW has some "haves" and some "have nots" this year.

That would appear to be the read upon first glance, but actually Carroll is a better team than that score makes the Pioneers appear (NCC is just that good), and Augie's not as good as that score makes the Rock Islanders appear (Millikin is very, very young). Last week, Carroll beat Augustana; granted, it was an overtime win, but the Pioneers statistically dominated Augie.