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markerickson

If one wants a capsule of North Park historical ineptitude beyond total mismatch, I present yesterday's second half by NPSnafu!

NPU up 21-14 to start.

NP's leading rusher has an avg of 26 yards per game.  So the game plan against a pathetic one-win Carthage team would include the CCIW's leading WR (NP's speedy Ombongo) with 95 yards per game and 9 TDS.  A no-brainer, right?  He had zero catches in first half with a total of two catches with a long of 19 (zero TDs). Throw deep to this guy and let him go get it.  Absolutely mind numbing.

Six possessions totaled 154 yards with zero points.  This included two relinquishes on downs, two punts, a blocked field goal, and time runoff due to penalty to end the game.

NP was 2-3 on field goals for the YEAR with a long of 31 yards.  The blocked FG in the 4th qtr came from the Carthage 19 yard line. A FG woulda put the Vikings up by 10, which seemingly woulda secured victory #6.

Carthage proficiently drove the length of the field to score a TD and made the two-point conversion on a run for the margin of victory! 

In a very late drive, instead of taking the two-yard completion and easily going out of bounds, the Viking RB turned up field, got tackled, and wasted precious time with his team down by one, 22-21. Ombongo just not on anyone's radar for motion to create 1:1 isolation, a post, fly, etc.  SMHSMHSMHSMH.

Kudos to NP for upset victories against IWU and Augie...yet losses to Carthage and Elmhurst.

Maybe the Vikings have another upset in them against WashU, but zero chance versus Wheaton.

Once a metalhead, always a metalhead.  Matthew 5:13.

Augie6

Quote from: Jbothe on November 03, 2024, 11:12:06 AMWatched entire IWU-Augie game. Great one to watch, literally came down to last drive.

Beautiful day to play.

I think IWU ability to run the ball and stop the run was the difference in the game. Titans looked more physically developed in both lines.

What happened to original Augie QB that started last year?  Bhardwaj?

Hey John - Pretty sure he has been benched.  The Crawley kid played against Carroll, and then they split time last week vs NCC.  If you have given up on the season, not really sure why you bring in a senior to replace a 5th year senior, I would think you would see what you have that could help you next year. 

Unfortunately, the results this season are what I thought was very likely to happen, coming off of last year's 8-3 record.  Augie had at least 10 5th years seniors playing last year, which was a big part of why they experienced the success they did.  Now we are back to what has become the norm at Augie under the last two coaching staffs, covering 14 seasons.  Assuming we beat Carthage and lose to Wash U (although who knows if we beat Carthage), this will be another losing season for Augie.  We have had 2 winning seasons at Augie during the last 14 seasons and, based on the players they currently have on the roster and this staff's inability to recruit the players necessary to build a strong program, I'm not expecting things to improve any time soon.
Augie Football:  CCIW Champions:  1949-66-68-75-81-82-83-84-85-86-87-88-90-91-93-94-97-99-01-05-06     NCAA Champions:  1983-84-85-86

CarollFan

#42017
Just for awareness for anyone diving into these NPI calculations. The NCAA site gives you the win value for beating each team. They basically are showing you the outcome of the math. You just need to apply the appropriate home or away multiplier to determine a game NPI.

https://stats.ncaa.org/season_divisions/18386/selection_rankings/current_rankings

For example.
If someone beat NCC. NCC has a NPI of 77.375
The QWB is ((77.375 - 54) x .25) = 5.8437 shown in the QWB column
The loss value is the SOS (77.375 x .6) = 46.425 shown in the loss value
The win value is 40 + SOS + QWB = 40 + 46.425 + 5.8437 = 92.268 shown in the win value

Take it easy NCC fans..just an example. We do use the loss value...

Speaking of NCC. I was trying to calculate their NPI and wasn't getting there. I noticed then in the NCAA stats if you click your ranking, like in NCC's case the number 3, all the games they are using in the calculation show up in a pop up.  In NCC's case even though the adjusted wins are 5 they are actually using 6 games.  Aurora, Wheaton, WashU, NPU, Carroll and Augie. Using the following adjusted wins for each one Aurora (1.1), Wheaton (1.1), WashU (.9), NPU (.9), Carroll (.9) and Augie (.1).  If you add up the adjusted wins it equals 5. I'm assuming they added Augie at .1 to get to 5.

USee

It looks like Brockport's result against Maine Maritime is going to count as the NCAA continues to count it and the D3datacast guys amended their results. That has the effect of putting them in Pool C position ahead of Wheaton, who is solidly on the bubble at this point. If Brockport's result isn't counted, Wheaton is in much better position for a Pool C bid.

CarollFan

Quote from: USee on November 03, 2024, 06:19:09 PMIt looks like Brockport's result against Maine Maritime is going to count as the NCAA continues to count it and the D3datacast guys amended their results. That has the effect of putting them in Pool C position ahead of Wheaton, who is solidly on the bubble at this point. If Brockport's result isn't counted, Wheaton is in much better position for a Pool C bid.

Maybe some inquiries need to be made?

CarollFan

According to D3 Datacast there are currently 5 pool A bids not in the top 40 NPI. Last column.
Anna Maria last entry to playoffs at a NPI rank of 138.


https://d3datacast.com/npi/football/

Pat Coleman

Quote from: USee on November 03, 2024, 06:19:09 PMIt looks like Brockport's result against Maine Maritime is going to count as the NCAA continues to count it and the D3datacast guys amended their results. That has the effect of putting them in Pool C position ahead of Wheaton, who is solidly on the bubble at this point. If Brockport's result isn't counted, Wheaton is in much better position for a Pool C bid.

Brockport played Hartwick. Hartwick played Maine Maritime.
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Pat Coleman

Quote from: CarollFan on November 03, 2024, 06:23:20 PM
Quote from: USee on November 03, 2024, 06:19:09 PMIt looks like Brockport's result against Maine Maritime is going to count as the NCAA continues to count it and the D3datacast guys amended their results. That has the effect of putting them in Pool C position ahead of Wheaton, who is solidly on the bubble at this point. If Brockport's result isn't counted, Wheaton is in much better position for a Pool C bid.

Maybe some inquiries need to be made?

We have been making them. I don't know that this is final yet.
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CarollFan

#42023
Quote from: CarollFan on November 03, 2024, 07:00:05 PMAccording to D3 Datacast there are currently 5 pool A bids not in the top 40 NPI. Last column.
Anna Maria last entry to playoffs at a NPI rank of 138.


https://d3datacast.com/npi/football/

Wheaton fans, if you look at last column of playoff seeds your chasing seed #35. You have 2 teams in front of you, Wabash and Monmouth. Trinity(Conn) is a NESCAC team and they don't participate in the playoffs.

Some nonconference games that may be important to Wheaton.

11/9:
Monmouth (7-1) @ Lake Forest (8-0) (Playing for MWC championship)
Wabash @ Wittenberg (Wabash will be favored)

11/16:
Wabash (7-1) @ DePauw (8-0) (Playing for NCAC championship most likely)
Monmouth @ Knox (Monmouth will be favored)

A couple teams behind you to watch, Texas Lutheran and UW-La Crosse.

USee

Also Oshkosh plays UWO, Linfield plays undefeated Whitworth, Carnegie Mellon play Case Western, Marietta plays Mt Union and john Carroll, Bethel plays St Johns again, and Brockport plays the NCAA. In addition there are a bunch of games Pool A teams could lose that bump them into C. Lots of variables.

CarollFan

I compared NPI's between 10/26 and 11/2 and Carthage had the biggest increase in the nation from 35.645 to 42.424 for a +6.779.  I had Rochester from Liberty League with the biggest decrease from 63.37 to 58.228 for a -5.142.
I have about 85% of changes between -3 and +3.

CuriousCCIWfan

Quote from: USee on November 04, 2024, 09:04:08 AMAlso Oshkosh plays UWO, Linfield plays undefeated Whitworth, Carnegie Mellon play Case Western, Marietta plays Mt Union and john Carroll, Bethel plays St Johns again, and Brockport plays the NCAA. In addition there are a bunch of games Pool A teams could lose that bump them into C. Lots of variables.
So as a Wheaton fan, what do you honestly think the chances are of them getting in? Above 70% or below?

Cardinal773

CCIW Players of the Week Against (week 7 of 9):

Team        Total Off. Def. S.T.
Carthage    4        2      2      0
Millikin        4        1      1      2
Carroll          3        1      2      0
N. Park        3        0      1      2
Augustana  2        1      0      1
IWU              2        1      1      0
Wash. U.      2        0      0      2
Elmhurst    1        1      0      0
Wheaton    1        1      0      0
N. Central  0        0      0      0

CarollFan

#42028
Games this week.
Spreads courtesy of Logan Hansen. https://hansenratings.github.io/

Elmhurst @ NCC -75.1
Wheaton -46 @ Millikin
WashU -22.3 @ NPU
Carthage @ Augie -14.5
IWU @ Carroll -4.1


Pool C Teams Favored
Allegheny @ Carnegie Mellon -55.4
Simpson @ Coe    -30.2
Gettysburg @ Ursinus -29.7
Pacific Lutheran @ Linfield -27
Rhodes @ Centre -20.9
Bethel -19.5 @ Concordia-Moorhead
Case Western Reserve @ Grove City -13.5
UW-Stout @ UWO -8.9   
UMHB -.1 @ Hardin Simmons (May get adjusted. Also for NCC fans HS currently #4 NPI)

Pool C Teams Underdog
Cortland -19.8 @ Brockport
Marietta @ Mount Union -7.5
Monmouth @ Lake Forest -.4

Teams just outside of Pool C (UWL, Wabash, Texas Lutheran, Trinity (Texas))
UWW @ UWL -4.3
Wabash -7.5 @ Wittenberg
Texas Lutheran -22.9 @ Centenary La.
Southwestern @ Trinity (Texas) -20.2





NCC2010

Quote from: CarollFan on November 04, 2024, 11:55:40 PMGames this week.
Spreads courtesy of Logan Hansen. https://hansenratings.github.io/

Elmhurst @ NCC -75.1
Wheaton -46 @ Millikin
WashU -22.3 @ NPU
Carthage @ Augie -14.5
IWU @ Carroll -4.1


Pool C Teams Favored
Allegheny @ Carnegie Mellon -55.4
Simpson @ Coe    -30.2
Gettysburg @ Ursinus -29.7
Pacific Lutheran @ Linfield -27
Rhodes @ Centre -20.9
Bethel -19.5 @ Concordia-Moorhead
Case Western Reserve @ Grove City -13.5
UW-Stout @ UWO -8.9   
UMHB -.1 @ Hardin Simmons

Pool C Teams Underdog
Cortland -19.8 @ Brockport
Marietta @ Mount Union -7.5
Monmouth @ Lake Forest -.4





Would add in UWW @ UWL -4.3.  UWL likely in as a Pool C bid if they win out. The UMHB/HSU game is also @ HSU, Logan has that one listed @ UMHB incorrectly so I assume HSU will be favored once home field is factored in.