FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[SpartanHouse4]

In the past, didn't D3 use a selection committee? Just go back to that.

If the selection committee was popular, we wouldn't have NPI, right? 

That's my point - you don't know you had a good thing until it's gone.

The Committee's were not a good thing. Did you forget how NCC got screwed out of seeding/hosting last year by the R5 RAC's notions vs the Nat Com's notions. There were constantly moving goal posts and RACs doing weird stuff to rank meh teams, to get other teams additional RRO W's for seeding or at large advantages.

It will never be perfect. But we have 12 at large bids this yes, that's a huge bonus. There's also a process to refine NPI. If there's no dial tweaking we can complain more, but it's the first iteration. ECFC won't have a bid next year. Improvements are looming.

It's better than what we got this year.
A committee is better than leaving it to the computers.
Perhaps the wrong people are on the committee.

[blue_jays]

Sullivan and Johanik co-dpoy
Luke opoy

https://cciw.org/news/2024/11/19/cciw-announces-football-all-conference-teams.aspx

Glad to see Johanik get this recognition. Stud player who was a menace in the games I watched.

[CarollFan]

Review of the Cortland bracket.

https://d3football.com/playoffs/2024/bracket-cortland

[robertgoulet]

Review of the Cortland bracket.

https://d3football.com/playoffs/2024/bracket-cortland

Kind of odd to me that the only 2 teams that get a Stagg Bowl mention were NCC and Cortland. Teams who I would say have a shot to get there (St Johns, multiple teams on the right side of the bracket) don't get any love outside of "could make the Semi's". If you could make the semi's on the right side you could make the Stagg, couldnt you? At least one of them?

[USee]

In the past, didn't D3 use a selection committee? Just go back to that.

If the selection committee was popular, we wouldn't have NPI, right? 

That's my point - you don't know you had a good thing until it's gone.

The Committee's were not a good thing. Did you forget how NCC got screwed out of seeding/hosting last year by the R5 RAC's notions vs the Nat Com's notions. There were constantly moving goal posts and RACs doing weird stuff to rank meh teams, to get other teams additional RRO W's for seeding or at large advantages.

It will never be perfect. But we have 12 at large bids this yes, that's a huge bonus. There's also a process to refine NPI. If there's no dial tweaking we can complain more, but it's the first iteration. ECFC won't have a bid next year. Improvements are looming.

It's better than what we got this year.
A committee is better than leaving it to the computers.
Perhaps the wrong people are on the committee.

How long have you been watching this? If you have watched the committee's perform for even the past several years you wouldn't think this way. The committee's changed regularly and are made up of Head Coaches and AD's from the participating conferences. Half the problem was the different interpretation of data by different people. I'm not saying we got the greatest result from this year's process, but we certainly got a lot fewer surprises.

[IC798891]

Just noticed MHBU's schedule. How is the world did they make it in? Brutal.


MHBU Schedule

I think there's something to be said for a minimum number of D3 wins or games to make the field. You have to play either 8 D3 games or have 6 D3 wins to be considered for an at large.

Are the rules also going to force someone to play them?

I'll bite on this idiotic argument.

What does this even look like, from an enforcement standpoint, Pat?

UMHB has an open week and everyone else who has that week open puts their name on a list and UMHB picks whichever team they feel like playing the most? The first school they ask has to say yes?

What happens if that team says that, in the interest of their players' health and safety, that they don't want to play a full 10-game schedule? If the team is forced to play the UMHB against their wishes, and a player is injured, can they sue the NCAA?

What if a school claims their home field is in use for some other purpose that week and they can't host, but don't have the travel budget? Can the NCAA force them to spend the money to travel or does UMHB pony up? What if a school has a women's team claim that they were denied a road trip they wanted to take, and that therefore the school spending money on the football team is a Title IX violation?

What if they say they don't want to remove players from classes to travel for academic reasons?

Does UMHB get to force teams to play them until they have a full 10-game schedule because that's what's best for them and their Stagg Bowl aspirations? Or could the other teams argue that if say, the minimum is 6 wins and UMHB has six games scheduled, that their obligation is finished, and it's up to UMHB to win said games?

Does this, "You have to play a team when they ask" now apply to every team in D3 in any situation? Or just scenarios where there's a game or win minimum to qualify for postseason play?

[Pat Coleman]

Just noticed MHBU's schedule. How is the world did they make it in? Brutal.


MHBU Schedule

I think there's something to be said for a minimum number of D3 wins or games to make the field. You have to play either 8 D3 games or have 6 D3 wins to be considered for an at large.

Are the rules also going to force someone to play them?

I'll bite on this idiotic argument.

What does this even look like, from an enforcement standpoint, Pat?

Of course not, Patrick. But my point is that if you are going to enforce a minimum number of D-III wins, then you better have some mechanism for guaranteeing the team gets the opportunity to play that many games.

Thanks for missing my point entirely.

[Cardinal773]

I suppose it's not too early to start googling nearby NAIA teams if you're a big fish.

As for this weekend's action...

We're all rooting for you, Thunder!  Congrats to all the seniors and 5th years at Wheaton.  Stay safe and do what you do best, get a win against the Devils!

[CarollFan]

In the middle column on all these stats Logan shows which team has an advantage.

UWS vs. Wheaton

BTW Frank and J.B. both pick UWS.

[wally_wabash]

Review of the Cortland bracket.

https://d3football.com/playoffs/2024/bracket-cortland

Kind of odd to me that the only 2 teams that get a Stagg Bowl mention were NCC and Cortland. Teams who I would say have a shot to get there (St Johns, multiple teams on the right side of the bracket) don't get any love outside of "could make the Semi's". If you could make the semi's on the right side you could make the Stagg, couldnt you? At least one of them?

Are you picking someone to beat North Central? 

[CarollFan]

Review of the Cortland bracket.

https://d3football.com/playoffs/2024/bracket-cortland

Kind of odd to me that the only 2 teams that get a Stagg Bowl mention were NCC and Cortland. Teams who I would say have a shot to get there (St Johns, multiple teams on the right side of the bracket) don't get any love outside of "could make the Semi's". If you could make the semi's on the right side you could make the Stagg, couldnt you? At least one of them?

Are you picking someone to beat North Central? 

Logan has Linfield in final with NCC.

Logan bracket

[robertgoulet]

Review of the Cortland bracket.

https://d3football.com/playoffs/2024/bracket-cortland

Kind of odd to me that the only 2 teams that get a Stagg Bowl mention were NCC and Cortland. Teams who I would say have a shot to get there (St Johns, multiple teams on the right side of the bracket) don't get any love outside of "could make the Semi's". If you could make the semi's on the right side you could make the Stagg, couldnt you? At least one of them?

Are you picking someone to beat North Central? 

Nope. More pointing to the other side of the bracket where it seems wide open, so was surprised to not see a few "this team could make it to the Stagg" over there.

[Pat Coleman]

Review of the Cortland bracket.

https://d3football.com/playoffs/2024/bracket-cortland

Kind of odd to me that the only 2 teams that get a Stagg Bowl mention were NCC and Cortland. Teams who I would say have a shot to get there (St Johns, multiple teams on the right side of the bracket) don't get any love outside of "could make the Semi's". If you could make the semi's on the right side you could make the Stagg, couldnt you? At least one of them?

Are you picking someone to beat North Central? 

Nope. More pointing to the other side of the bracket where it seems wide open, so was surprised to not see a few "this team could make it to the Stagg" over there.

I don't really read all 40 of them together to pick up trends like that. But I do write all of the "how far can they go" lines personally, with almost no input from the writers.

[wally_wabash]

Review of the Cortland bracket.

https://d3football.com/playoffs/2024/bracket-cortland

Kind of odd to me that the only 2 teams that get a Stagg Bowl mention were NCC and Cortland. Teams who I would say have a shot to get there (St Johns, multiple teams on the right side of the bracket) don't get any love outside of "could make the Semi's". If you could make the semi's on the right side you could make the Stagg, couldnt you? At least one of them?

Are you picking someone to beat North Central? 

Nope. More pointing to the other side of the bracket where it seems wide open, so was surprised to not see a few "this team could make it to the Stagg" over there.

Ah, I got you.  There are about 8 teams on that half that could make the final and not surprise me.  It's going to be fun to watch and see who gets hot on the right side and gets through. 

[Crusader92]

Wheaton up 14-0 at end of the 1st quarter. Dominating time of possession, thanks in part to some key 3rd down conversions. So far defense is really flying to the ball.