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[irish21]

For the stats mentioned, his rating would have been...
NCAA QB Rating 118.23

[irish21]

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[Mr. Ypsi]

washdup and zorba,

Yes, but recruiting the talent is the first important component of being COY (or was the talent recruited by someone else; not aware of the duration of NCC's coach?)!

[washdupcard]

Ypsi,

Very good point that I overlooked.  Every player on the team is a Thorne recruit.  I believe this is the first or second year that its all his players.  You've also changed my mind (doesn't happen very often)...

I'd give Coach of the year to Thorne.

USee,

I'm not sure the Carthage players you have mentioned have played all that better than Radke.  NCC D as whole not as good as last year (in terms of yds and points), but I'm fairly sure the CCIW coaches know where Radtke is on every play.

[vikes35]

I think that it is way too early to be giving away awards, but if we are going to talk about DPOY lets give at least some mention to Shea and Anthony of Augie. Between the 2 of them the have 12 or 13 INTs, they have been a major reason why the Vikes are off to a 3-0 conference record and they seem to be getting stronger as the year goes on. I do understand that they need to play Wheaton and NCC (both considered high power passing teams) in order to solidify themselves, but that is mainly why I think it is too early to think about awards. As for coach of the year, if either Thorne or Barnes can go undefeated through the season then they win hands down, and if the Elmhurst coach can get to 7 wins (not likely) he should get consideration, but way to many "ifs" for me to start thinking about awards.

[FormerCard]

washdup and zorba,

Yes, but recruiting the talent is the first important component of being COY (or was the talent recruited by someone else; not aware of the duration of NCC's coach?)!

This years seniors were the 1st recruiting class for the Thorne Coaching Staff.

[cardinal20]

Quote from: usee on Today at 05:44:44 PM

no way radtke is DPOY at this point. he is no where near as dominant as he was a year ago (although i am not sure why). I would give it to fox, barnes or pelkowski at carthage. agree on kniss and thorne so far.


If you break down Radtke's numbers, they aren't far off. His sacks are down from 4-1, but he has 10 pass breakups to only 11 all of last year. Radtke already has 2 INT's, which is what he had all season. He no longer needs to get into the backfield to be effective because the defensive line is much improved. Imbordino and Pederson have stepped things up, and don't forget Hare.

[DarrinC]

I was at North Central on Saturday, and I just to not know what you are talking about with the dirty play. IT DID NOT cost Carthage the game! I disagree 100%!!!

I have been around the Carthage program in one capacity or another since 1987 when I was a Freshman player there. Later, I served as a coach forthe Redmen.

In my time at Carthage I saw some things that I was not proud of. I played for Petricca at Palatine and believe that I was brought up to play the game with respect, and I always taught it with respect. I can not say that about some of the assistant coaches that I worked with over the years. I think that the Carthage rep for dirty play was created by a former offensive line assistant that in my opinion provided poor moral guidance for his players. Don't get me wrong, the players at this level are men, and are accountable for their own behavior, but I think we owe our kids better than that. This current staff at Carthage should not be viewed through that lense.
- (I believe that many of you that played against Carthage several years ago would agree that most of that reputation for being dirty came from a few misguided offesive lineman.)

On Saturday, I saw two teams beat the crap out of each other for 54 minutes before the wheels fell off the cart for the Redmen. They trailed 23-3 before taking the lead with 6 minutes left. They then dropped two EASY pass interceptions that could have sealed the deal. One of them for sure could have gone back for 6 the other way.

The first personal foul came on a play where a great kid tried his absolte best to block a field goal that would have put Carthage down 8. He missed blocking the kick and ran into the kicker on accident. That was the personal foul that gave NC the sealing touchdown. Thre is no way that anyone could accuse Donovin of doing that on purpose- Later in the game Fox did lose his cool and hit a player in the endzone, but at that point in the game there had been a few shoving matches that had taken place. Those of you at the game remember the high intensity on the field and several different examples of pushing matches. I think that Fox should have handled the moment better, but I will not question his character over it and I definately will not question Coach Rucks desire to run a first class program!

It just so happens that the two kids that were penalized for Carthage late in the game were the same two kids that came to my school last year to work with a group of at-risk middle school students. They volunteered in the same way that Coach Rucks expects all of his players to do. It is part of his program and is just one way that he demands excellence from his players.

I know that on paper the two personal fouls look bad, but those of you at the game know the truth. It was a hard hitting game with a ton of emotion. The kids were fighting their hearts out.---------To me, that shows character. Yes, a mistake was made, but it did not cost Carthage the game. In my opinion, one of the telling plays of that game was when that NC reciever held on to that ball on third and ten when Fox absolutely rocked his world. It took two trainers to get that kids off the field he was so woozy, but he held onto that darn ball. That first down led to the real reason that NC won. They made gutsy plays (as did Carthage), but NC made them at the exact time that they needed to.

In truth, I thought they had sacked their bats and had quit. I give them credit for fighting back and I give that kid all the credit in the world for holding onto that ball.
I hope he remembers that play for a long time because I know the kids at Carthage hate it, but they respect the courage it took to make that play.

That game was not an example of poor sportsmanship nearly as much as it was a tale of courage between two teams that refused to lose.

[usee]

ncc's defense has been a big disappointment in my mind. last year they were 2nd in the conf and gave up only 292 yds per game. radtke was the leader and i saw their defense as dominant. this year they are 7th in total defense at 335 yds per game. individually radtke is on a better pace (13 tckles a game v 9+ last year) but it seems many of his tackles are 4-5 yds past the LOS.

perhaps the biggest indicator of this is the rushing defense. last year ncc gave up a mere 99.9 yds per game, 2.8 yds per rush, and only 5 rushing tds. this year they yield 135 yds per game, 3.5 yds per rush, and have already given up 7 rushing tds. the biggest place a dominant linebacker makes his mark is v the rush and radtke and company just haven't been that good. (keep in mind they haven't even played the biggest rushing teams augie and millikin).

the brandon fox led redmen are averaging 67 yds per game, 2.1 yds per rush and only 4 tds so far. last year they were 85.4, 2.9, and 11 td's. these are clearly more dominant.

all that said i agree that most coaches know where radtke is on every play and he is still a significant difference maker. but carthage's defense has been more dominant and fox has had a bigger impact so far. some big games left to play

[irish21]

This dirty play topic really cracks me up!

In the three years that my favorite Redman started at quarterback, he was bitten in the leg during a pileup on two occasions, he had his ankle twisted in a pileup on numerous occasions, he got punched in the balls on numerous occasions and he had players dive at his knee's on three occasions as he was obviously running out of bounds. He allegedly played for an inferior program that was considered one of the bottom feeders of the CCIW and he wasn't considered that good by many posters on this board because he never "won a big game."

But you know what - he ALWAYS got up, went back to the huddle, called the next play with the ultimate goal of sticking it up his opponent's ass on the very next down!

Imagine if he would have played on good teams!!!! He'd probably be collecting disability today instead of working for a living!

Football is a violent, emotional game at any level.

Quit whining about dirty play! The CCIW is a battle every Saturday - that's what makes the conference so good!

[markdamaker40]

Well said Darrin and Irish, well said...

[Redmen96]

Billy which line coach are you refering to J or K?

[wlcalum]

"bitten on the leg during a pileup" I now imagine all D linemen with Billy Bob teeth. 

[79jaybird]

In a contact sport like football, dirty plays are inevitable.  There is always going to be somebody hitting somebody after the whistle.  I have been on both ends of a late hit...It's football and you try to avoid it but again those things happen.
Def. POY..as somebody said earlier it is way too early to tell.. we still have 4 more weeks of fun till season's end.  To isolate 2 players I would look at Radtke of NC and Brian Keaton of Elmhurst's D-Line.  I will see Radtke this weekend, but Keaton has been the anchor of the Elmhurst D-Line that is one of the best in conf.
USEE- were you listening to us on WRSE 88.7 or on the Net at www.wrse.com ??
This is the first year we are live streaming on the Internet.

[augiedogie]

I agree with other posters that it is still too early to talk about POY's, but I also agree with Vikes 35 that Anthony should be a strong contender for the award. Not only does he have 7 int's and a forced fumble, that defense is leading the CCIW in least points allowed in conference. The over all numbers are somewhat misleading because of the 26 points and well over 400 yards of offense put up against reserves in the Catholic game. This is a much improved Augie defense as a whole, which should keep Barnes in the running for COY as well. NCC was predicted to finish 1st in conference and so far they are holding up to that prediction, but Augie was picked to finish 4th and are also in the driver's seat with NCC right now.  Should be an exciting finish to what has been a great year in the CCIW so far.