FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[usee]

augiedogie-thats plenty of time. i have driven up to almost every game w less than 10 min before kick and had no problems. if this game was a title game for wheaton i would have suggested 20 minutes.

[augiedogie]

Thanks Usee.

[nccfan1]

The rational of some posters has gone beyond the pale.  Earlier posts were numerous calling Ratdke classless for his late hit. A key 15 yard penalty. A terrible call but not on Ratdke.  When that was pointed out, no apology for what was said, just Ratdke is a bad guy now for other reasons.  The offside call on the field goal is just one example in a string of bad calls.  No one was off sides.  When an off sides occurs, the flag is thrown on the snap.  Tape will show that the flag was thrown only after the kick was blocked and NCC players were hugging and jumping around celebrating.  It so so obvious that only those who wish to win at all cost and have no sense of fair play would try to defend it.  As for those who try to make a case that the game was lost because of the QB missing a snap, hey, that was done by the players. That line of thought can be applied to every game that was ever played. If this didn't happen then we would have won, or if our defense didn't give up any points we wouldn't have lost 50 to nothing.  What happens on the field should determine the outcome of a game. Having the game decided by biased refs is not acceptable.  This other whining
drone of just take it and move on is another curious point.  When you have nothing to fall back on, turn the tables and blame those who oppose you of not being able to "get over it".  I for one will never accept injustice. Keeping quiet when a wrong is done is not a indication of "class".  It is only a show of weakness.  You stand up for what you know is right.  Bottom line is that Augie did not win that game. They did not put up more points than NCC. They were given unearned points and the game was not decided by the players but by the flags of biased refs.  These kids were "cheated" out of the victory.  And not by just one call but many calls and "non calls". The evidence is clear and indisputable for anyone who cares about fair play and not blinded by the win at all cost mentality. 

[HughJass]

Still...the game is over.  Like it was said before, there have been many games called wrong by many refs and thats the way it goes.  Why dont you stop writing on the board about it and write your disgusts to the NCAA about the refs because it doesnt matter here.  And while youre at it write to the MLB and tell them to take the world series trophy away from the white sox.

[Red Reign]

I'd like to get some things stright, the 15 yarder was on #98. The flag at the end on the FG was not offsides, it was lining up in the neutral zone.

[usee]

Bottom line is that Augie did not win that game.

Augie 20 NCC 17. THAT is the bottom line.

you sound like like demi moore from "A Few Good Men"....."I strenously object". good for you. you keep thinking augie didn't win.

[CardinalAlum]

Bottom line is that Augie did not win that game. They did not put up more points than NCC. They were given unearned points and the game was not decided by the players but by the flags of biased refs.  These kids were "cheated" out of the victory.  And not by just one call but many calls and "non calls". The evidence is clear and indisputable for anyone who cares about fair play and not blinded by the win at all cost mentality. 

Bottom line is that Augie DID indeed win that game!  They DID put up more points, like it or not.  The game was NOT decided by the flags of the refs.  The refs did not block a punt, Augie did, the refs did not miss a field goal, NCC did.  The refs didn't make Kniss go back in the shotgun with the ball inside the 1 yard line.  The refs didn't convert a 3rd and 20 on a QB option keeper, Augie did.  Did the refs make a questionable call at a crucial time in the game?  Yes.  But there is NOTHING anyone can do about it except move on, get ready for North Park, beat North Park and get ready for the playofffs!

[matblake]

Ok, let's try and keep some perspective here.  This loss did not remove North Central from playoff contention.  I think that needs to be the bottom line.  I know football isn't like women's basketball, but last year Millikin's women's team lost to Wheaton which was a devastating loss for them.  Millikin still got into the dance and took the thing all the way.  Perfect example? Not by any means.  Just trying to state that although an undisputed conference championship is out of reach (if Wheaton beats Augie it is still a co-championship) the main goal of being a national champion is not lost.  

[CardinalAlum]

 

you sound like like demi moore from "A Few Good Men"....."I strenously object". 

Usee,

Great analogy!  Maybe if they ask the officials nicely, they will pick up the flag! 

Let's go Cards!!

[nccfan1]

HughJass; Who are you to say what matters here?  What matters here is what anyone cares to write.  I don't think that the content of any board should be determined by only what you care to read.  I did expect this type of response from some of you.  You don't refute any points.  If you don't like what you read you simply tell those you don't agree with to "shut up".  As far as taking the grievence to the NCAA, I believe that is going to be done. Not by me, but by those who are in a position to make the case.  This is not a case of whining but a clear dispute of how the game was officiated.  To the following poster "offsides", "neutral zone" lets quibble!

[augiedogie]

cardinalalum:

"Bottom line is that Augie DID indeed win that game!  They DID put up more points, like it or not.  The game was NOT decided by the flags of the refs.  The refs did not block a punt, Augie did, the refs did not miss a field goal, NCC did.  The refs didn't make Kniss go back in the shotgun with the ball inside the 1 yard line.  The refs didn't convert a 3rd and 20 on a QB option keeper, Augie did.  Did the refs make a questionable call at a crucial time in the game?  Yes.  But there is NOTHING anyone can do about it except move on, get ready for North Park, beat North Park and get ready for the playofffs!"

Great post! It's a shame there are a few posters out there who are giving NCC a bad name.  Good luck to you guys in the playoffs!

[wheaty]

nccfan1..."not whining"...I call it eloquently bitching.  You say it takes strength to stand up to a wrong.  You sound like a women's rights lib from the 70's. The case may be taken to the NCAA and they will look at it for two seconds (if they are in a good mood) and give it right back. Why don't you take a lesson from cardalum and move on.  You say it takes strength to fight a grievance...losers make excuses, winners make adjustments.  I GARUANTEE the NCC players and coaches have moved on, its not a second thought on their minds...it can't be.  The funny thing is I have no bias one way or the other...I just hate excuses and whining...be a man and move on.  What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.  A team will learn more about themselves and what they need to improve on through a loss so much more than a win.  Frankly I feel sorry for what North Park is about to recieve.  

[matblake]

I have not seen the tape of the game.  However, lining up in the neutral zone is a live ball penalty and the play would not be stopped.  If a defensive player makes contact, then play would be stopped prior to the penalty being enforced.  See rules 7-1-5-a & 7-1-5-b
http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2005/2005_football_rules.pdf

[augievike]

you are correct i made the inital comment about Radtke after the game and i was wrong it was not him at all on the late hit.  I take that back and apoligize for that comment.  But after watching the film number 98 was definately at fault for a personal foul on the play.  That said this issue should be over Augie won and will be the AQ.  NCC should take care of business and get a pool C bid.  Good luck to both in the playoffs and lets show the rest of the nation what the CCIW is all about.

[nccfan1]

Wheaty; You "GARUANTEE" that the players and coaches haved moved on?  How are you in position to "GARUANTEE" that?  What do you think I meant when I said that grievences will be made?
Let me try once again to make my point, as difficult as it may be to some of you.  No one is even suggesting that the players or coaches of Augie have anything to do with this.  Also, everyone understands that mistakes are made in sports. We are all human and mistakes are made.  That is when you "move on".  I am saying that what was done was a willfull and deliberate act to effect the outcome of the game.  I am accusing an official of CHEATING.  I am not doing this lightly.  I firmly believe that the evidence PROVES this. So please, if you disagree then disagree.  But back up your disagreement with examples as to why you disagree.  Please stop with the "move on" because it does not apply here.