FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

voice · March 06, 2006, 01:54:32 PM

With the CCIW dominating WIAC teams in this past weekend's NCAA Division III basketball tournament, maybe those schools might think about getting some backbone and agreeing to play WIAC football teams in nonconference action. If not, then at least give us an explanation why you refuse. It is getting assinine why schools in the Midwest, especially the CCIW, simply refuse to play WIAC teams other than an occasional game vs. Platteville. If someone knows, give us a holler!

CardinalAlum · March 06, 2006, 02:40:47 PM

Quote from: voice on March 06, 2006, 01:54:32 PM
With the CCIW dominating WIAC teams in this past weekend's NCAA Division III basketball tournament, maybe those schools might think about getting some backbone and agreeing to play WIAC football teams in nonconference action. If not, then at least give us an explanation why you refuse. It is getting assinine why schools in the Midwest, especially the CCIW, simply refuse to play WIAC teams other than an occasional game vs. Platteville. If someone knows, give us a holler!

Do you really think it is fair to compare the schools when the enrollments are so different? The WIAC schools have a huge advantage in number of students to pick from and state funding.

CardinalAlum · March 06, 2006, 02:45:37 PM

http://www.cciw.org/school/school_info.php

http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/schools/index.html

Take a look at the enrollments.

voice · March 06, 2006, 03:04:52 PM

Teams like Linfield (OR) and St. Johns (MN) sure don't use enrollment numbers as an excuse not to play larger schools.

CardinalAlum · March 06, 2006, 03:17:49 PM

No excuses. Just facts!! The strength of the CCIW teams means playing a tough schedule to begin with. The difference between making the playoffs and not is usually 1 game. Not many CCIW teams go through the conference season undefeated, which means non-conference games are that much more important. Scheduling an opponent like Whitewater or one of the other state schools is not a smart move.

CardinalAlum · March 06, 2006, 03:25:00 PM

Quote from: voice on March 06, 2006, 03:04:52 PM
Teams like Linfield (OR) and St. Johns (MN) sure don't use enrollment numbers as an excuse not to play larger schools.

Those schools pretty much win their conferences every year without much of a struggle. They should play tougher games to prepare themselves.

Brick · March 06, 2006, 04:07:11 PM

Augie plays atleast one WIAC school every preseason

Brick · March 06, 2006, 04:09:57 PM

I think it is the green nation over on the basketball board that jacks everyone's karma...every time i comment on their team if it's a good comment or one ragging on their program my karma goes down....

CardinalAlum · March 06, 2006, 04:11:41 PM

Quote from: voice on March 06, 2006, 03:04:52 PM
Teams like Linfield (OR) and St. Johns (MN) sure don't use enrollment numbers as an excuse not to play larger schools.

How about these numbers for excuses:

Tuition, Room and Board:

Augustana $29,376 UW-Eau Claire $9,444
Wheaton $29,490 UW-Lacrosse $10,045
N. Central $28,502 UW-Whitewater $9,986
Il. Wesl. $32,000 UW-Platteville $9,783

voice · March 06, 2006, 04:28:08 PM

Tuition costs? Tuition costs??? St. Johns and Linfield students (to name a few) pay CCIW type of costs, but they perennially field championship quality football teams. If tuition costs are put into the equation, how do the great basketball players you currently have end up at Illinois Wesleyan?

CardinalAlum · March 06, 2006, 04:49:38 PM

Good for St. Johns and Linfield. Again, they don't have the types of quality opponents in conference that the CCIW has. As far as IWU basketball, you would have to ask one of their people, but have you ever seen the Shirk center? That would answer a lot of questions.

augiedogie · March 06, 2006, 10:30:39 PM

Voice:

Do you have any proof that WIAC teams try to schedule games against the CCIW? Many of the CCIW teams have rivals that they play every year for their preseason games. Elmhurst and North Park for example tend to play other schools in the Chicagoland area to warm up for the tough CCIW season. Like one poster said earlier, Augustana plays a WIAC team most seasons, and Wheaton normally plays a tough game as well.

augiedogie · March 06, 2006, 10:36:47 PM

CardinalAlum:

I tend to disagree that scheduling a state school would be a disadvantage to a CCIW team. Augustana plays a tough non-conference schedule every year, and they normally end up losing atleast 1 game. I think it prepares the team for a tough CCIW schedule. Besides, with the QOW index, a 8-2, 6-1 team might have a better chance at squeezing into the playoffs than a team that plays 3 weak non-conference games and ends up 9-1, 6-1 IMO.

Brick · March 06, 2006, 11:47:02 PM

Very good point Doggie...Karma for you

CaptainKurt · March 07, 2006, 08:58:07 AM

I hear a lot of week excuses coming out of this board as to why the CCIW won't play the WIAC. I'm not good with that excuse. Yes, it's obvious why you won't play a WIAC team, because of the enrollment game. Okay, I hear you and I'm aware of what your saying.

But this is how I see it: why don't you go ask the NCAA to start Division 4 College Football so you can not only discriminate between scholarship and non-scholarship schools, but between non-scholarship large campus schools and non-scholarship small campus. That, or get some sack and try the upset.