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[diehardfan]

Funny thing is, I sometimes think that April is harder on the Wheaties than I or my fellow Parkers will ever be. To wit:

Uhm, there were about ten girls in my class at Wheaton that all the guys liked. I was not one of those girls. I was probably even one of the girl that those girls made fun of. And since I was one of those rare girls who went to college to learn things so that I could make a difference in the world, and not one of the MANY Wheaton girls who went there just to find a husband, I didn't exactly wait around in my room for guys to show up.

Hey, I like all of the Wheaton alumnae that I know -- and I know quite a few. Yeah, I didn't have to live with them and April did, but it still delights me to no end that I have a higher opinion of them than she does. 

I don't think I have a low opinion of Wheaties Greg, I adored my school - incidences of racism, hypocracy and all. While the average Wheaton student is certainly human, they're also pretty special in comparison to many schools' students. For example, I never, ever, heard a guy make lame, rude, sexual jokes like the ones currently on this board. 

I just have waaay to many awesome, Godly girl friends at Wheaton, who never got noticed in lieu of the hot girls (whom everyone was after, and everyone asked to everything...). The life God has for me right now isn't conducive to having a family at all, and I'm totally happy being single... but one of my best friends puts the woman described in Proverbs 31 to shame ten times over and never once got asked out... it's just odd. And frustrating. And sad. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Greg,

As I mentioned earlier, we still had pretty strict 'in loco parentis' rules in place back then too, so I don't think anyone (certainly not me) was even aware of 'no dancing' rules elsewhere.

We were too preoccupied with how to evade the rules (and keep our asses out of 'Nam - three of my buddies didn't succeed, and one didn't come back ) to spend much time worrying about other schools' rules.

Back then, I can't recall that we had any special chants for anyone (except Millikin, of course).

[Gregory Sager]

Greg,

As I mentioned earlier, we still had pretty strict 'in loco parentis' rules in place back then too, so I don't think anyone (certainly not me) was even aware of 'no dancing' rules elsewhere.

We were too preoccupied with how to evade the rules (and keep our asses out of 'Nam - three of my buddies didn't succeed, and one didn't come back ) to spend much time worrying about other schools' rules.

Back then, I can't recall that we had any special chants for anyone (except Millikin, of course).

I suspected as much, Chuck. North Park's always been more "loco" about in loco parentis than most schools, but not as much as others. One nice thing about having Wheaton around is that it makes the Park look a little less ... uh, conspicuous when it comes to school rules. Nevertheless, getting back to football, incompatibility with the school's rules has unfortunately cost the Vikings a lot of football players over the years.

I don't think I have a low opinion of Wheaties Greg, I adored my school - incidences of racism, hypocracy and all. While the average Wheaton student is certainly human, they're also pretty special in comparison to many schools' students. For example, I never, ever, heard a guy make lame, rude, sexual jokes like the ones currently on this board. 

I just have waaay to many awesome, Godly girl friends at Wheaton, who never got noticed in lieu of the hot girls (whom everyone was after, and everyone asked to everything...). The life God has for me right now isn't conducive to having a family at all, and I'm totally happy being single... but one of my best friends puts the woman described in Proverbs 31 to shame ten times over and never once got asked out... it's just odd. And frustrating. And sad. 

I acknowledge and respect that it's more of a societal male/female issue in general for you than a specific Wheatie issue, April. But you're still not going to keep me from chuckling over the fact that I probably get along with a higher percentage of former Wheatie females than do you. It's just too rich to let it go. I'm sure that you understand my puerile need to take delight in such things. 

[devildog29]

TitanBacker, I had always heard the "4 feet on the floor" rule about Wheaton as well, so maybe it was just a nasty rumor that circulated around IWU.  By the by, you kids at IWU have it way to easy these days.  Waaaaaaay back when I attended in the mid-90's (Clinton was President), we were still technically a dry campus.  Though you can probably guess how strictly that rule was followed.  The understood rule from the RA's was basically, as long as you don't get me in trouble, I won't get you in trouble.

[TitanBacker]

"However, we did used to turn on some good latin music and have dance parties in my suite (for girls only) during open floors my freshman year just to annoy the guys who could hear the music and couldn't come in." - Diehardfan

Oh April, you rebel!      And yes, I was friends with a few Wheaton guys but somehow our friendships have slipped over the years.  Kinda sad but I guess we were going in different directions.  Although, back to the crosspollination issue, one of said Wheaton friends is engaged to a North Parker.  But they dated all through high school so does that count?

fightintitan-

OK, maybe we did that on my own floor and still tried to blame it on you guys.  I mean, we had Charles as an RA.  We could get away with murder and he'd think we were saints.  Remember having parties in my room and he'd come in and hang out and play the Nintendo Gamecube.  (That makes me feel a little outdated!) 

I'm hoping the bye week will be a positive thing, but I knwo when we had them i wasn't really focusing on practice too much that week.

TitanBacker, I had always heard the "4 feet on the floor" rule about Wheaton as well, so maybe it was just a nasty rumor that circulated around IWU.  By the by, you kids at IWU have it way to easy these days.  Waaaaaaay back when I attended in the mid-90's (Clinton was President), we were still technically a dry campus.  Though you can probably guess how strictly that rule was followed.  The understood rule from the RA's was basically, as long as you don't get me in trouble, I won't get you in trouble.

Finally, someone else heard of the stories!!  I swear my friends at Wheaton said it.  I do remember that my frosh year was the year they lifted the alcohol ban.  As you said, I dont' think it realyl changed much.  If anything, people drank a little less because they weren't trying to "stick it to the man."  And yes, IWU is probably the most liberal minded campus in the CCIW.  Sometimes I felt it was too liberal but then I started going to Wash U. 

[Mugsy]

Probably should wait until next week for these questions, but in attempt to steer the conversation back to something more respectful and more football related...

Based on the first 3 weeks of the season, has anyone changed their opinion on who they picked to win the CCIW?

Or who the favorite is? 

Or who the dark-horse is?

What is surprising to this point?

Which teams still have some serious questions going into CCIW schedule?

(I give my take on these shortly...)

[matblake]

I just have waaay to many awesome, Godly girl friends at Wheaton, who never got noticed in lieu of the hot girls (whom everyone was after, and everyone asked to everything...). The life God has for me right now isn't conducive to having a family at all, and I'm totally happy being single... but one of my best friends puts the woman described in Proverbs 31 to shame ten times over and never once got asked out... it's just odd. And frustrating. And sad. 

April, I also knew a lot of girls at Wheaton who would have shamed Proverbs 31 woman.  Turns out that most of them have gone on to do great things.  Doesn't mean that they didn't want to have dates or didn't yearn to meet the man God wanted them to be married to.  Different people have different paths.  I thought that I would meet the person I would marry in college, after all that's what happened to my parents.  Turns out that wasn't my path.

[ncc58]

I'm one of the older ones here, I was at NCC mostly in the 70s'. We threw a birthday party for one guy on a Saturday night and 4  Wheaton girls were invited. They weren't going to be openly drinking beer so we had spiked and unspiked punch. The girls started by drinking the unspiked punch. One of them decided it was the wrong place for her to be so she faked an asthma attack and left (she had driven the others). Once she left, the three three quickly switched to the spiked punch. I'm sure those three, well I know, committed a lot of code violations that night.

[ncc58]

Probably should wait until next week for these questions, but in attempt to steer the conversation back to something more respectful and more football related...

Based on the first 3 weeks of the season, has anyone changed their opinion on who they picked to win the CCIW?

Or who the favorite is? 

Or who the dark-horse is?

What is surprising to this point?

Which teams still have some serious questions going into CCIW schedule?

(I give my take on these shortly...)

My favorite is Wheaton.

My darkhorse is Carthage.

Surprising? Augie, by not being undefeated and not thoroughly dominating. Elmhurst, for surviving the loss of their QB.

Teams with questions? Elmhurst, are they solid enough at QB. NCC - a lot of graduation losses and was the loss to CUW a fluke. Augie - why are they passing so much.

[matblake]

Ok, back to football.  I think the rain definitely helps the home team.  Olivet appears to be a running team so keeping the ball on the ground is what they do anyway.  Elmhurst looks to be pretty balanced.

Hope definitely appears to be a passing team.  Against DePauw they rushed 21 times and attempted a pass 42 times.  Hope was not that far behind DePauw throughout the game so the running game wouldn't need to be abandoned.  If the weather is bad, it could affect the passing game, which could spell problems for Hope.  Wheaton rushed 33 times and attempted 26 passes against Wash U.  

Edit: Clarifying my point re the running game in Hope v DePauw

[ncc58]

Hope is a grass field. Both Olivet and UW-Platteville have field turf (or new-style turf). Rain will have a greater impact in the Wheaton-Hope game. With mud not in the equation, teams will be less impacted in the Elmhurst and Augustana games. Augie, though, may return to a zero pass attempts attack unless they are way by double digits late.

[formerd3db]

matblake:
A reply post to yours over on our MIAA board.

[matblake]

Hope is a grass field. Both Olivet and UW-Platteville have field turf (or new-style turf). Rain will have a greater impact in the Wheaton-Hope game. With mud not in the equation, teams will be less impacted in the Elmhurst and Augustana games. Augie, though, may return to a zero pass attempts attack unless they are way by double digits late.

Good catch midwest.  Something I didn't think of regarding the playing surface.
 
Here are tomorrow's forecasts for games involving the CCIW
Olivet, MI http://www.crh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?site=DTX&map.x=64&map.y=183
Holland, MI http://www.crh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?site=GRR&map.x=107&map.y=185
Platteville, WI http://www.crh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?site=MKX&map.x=72&map.y=185
St. Louis, MO http://www.crh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?site=LSX&map.x=208&map.y=144
Chicago, IL http://www.crh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?site=LOT&map.x=243&map.y=97

[Comet 14]

The playing surface should be o.k but the wet ball will be hard to handle. The team that hold onto the ball will have a huge advantage.

[Comet 14]

I'm glad we are back to talking about football.