FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[matblake]

It was also very encouraging to see almost 20 recruits at last weekend's home game.  I believe I saw some Andrew, Guiliford and Fremd jackets which are just the type of schools the Vikes need to get into

I thought the North Park administration would want students from those schools to get into North Park, not the other way around.   

Ok, after my lame attempt at humor, what North Park needs is players.  Granted, I don't know who the guys on the sideline were and they could be All-Americans, but you can get all the guys from Andrew, Guiliford and Fremd that you want, but if they don't have the skill set or abilities to match up with the rest of the CCIW, North Park will remain uncompetitive.  I suppose at this point Coach Pethtel is casting a net wide enough to get anyone interested to visit.  I think that fielding a competitive team can be done at the Park, I just think they need to locate players, not simply bodies.  However, bodies might be the first step.

[devildog29]

Good article on Mugsy's man-crush Andy Studebaker in today's Sun-Times.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/92751,CST-SPT-small12.article

[Redmen96]

When all is said and done does everyone believe we will have two teams in the playoffs again this year?  Will they be able to compete?

[Pat Coleman]

SIDs or coaches. We tend to get about 90% of the nominations from SIDs.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Today marks the 38th anniversary of North Park's 104-32 win over North Central in 1968 at their Homecoming game.

The Vikings ran 20 plays in the first half and scored 10 touchdowns - they also punted once.  THe score was 69-6 at half.

After running 3 offensive plays in the 3rd quarter the score was 90-6.

In the remaining 10 minutes of the third quarter North Park has 5 touchdowns called back on penalties (NPC had 150+ in penalty yardage).

North Central scored 26 unanswered points in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

With four minutes left to play North Park, with only 35 healthy players dressed for the game, sent the 1st string offense back on the field, with the admonition from the coach "don't pass on the first two plays".  Leroy Dickens (8 carries for 165 yards) carried the ball twice for 40 yards, then Bruce Swanson passed to Paul Zaeske for a 14-yard TD (it was Zaeske's 8th TD catch of the game).

After another atrocious Cardinal punt and a long punt return by Dennis Kostrzewski the VIkings got the ball back on the Card 7-yard line.  Swanson threw twice to Alan Williams (same exact play), but the refs ruled the first one incomplete - the 2nd one for a TD (Williams 3rd TD catch, Swanson's 10th TD throw, 2nd string QB Greg Murzyn had the other TD throw on the Vikings 1st play of the 2nd half).

Senior basketball forward Dwight Nelson used athletic tape to tape the one digit on the scoreboard after the score.

On the last play of the game the Cards punted again to Kostrzewski who returned the punt from midfield and was knocked out of bounds inside the Cardinal ten.

North Park ran 62 plays and had 660 yards - scoring on its first play from scrimmage in each half - while North Central ran 87 plays for 350 yards (3 yds rushing).

MW

Was there.

[ncc58]

Today marks the 38th anniversary of North Park's 104-32 win over North Central in 1968 at their Homecoming game.

With four minutes left to play North Park, with only 35 healthy players dressed for the game, sent the 1st string offense back on the field, with the admonition from the coach "don't pass on the first two plays".  Leroy Dickens (8 carries for 165 yards) carried the ball twice for 40 yards, then Bruce Swanson passed to Paul Zaeske for a 14-yard TD (it was Zaeske's 8th TD catch of the game).

So, with a score of 90-32 and four minutes to play, you put the 1st string back into the game. Why??? Don't pass on the first two plays, but it's ok after that??? Then, we get to the last play where NPU has  a 72 point lead. NCC punts, why? Because they were afraid that if they turned the ball over inside their 20, NPU would try to score one more time. So, you try to return the punt when it would have been easy to down the ball or not even field it. I've read accounts and news stories of this game, and believe that the football gods have heaped loads of negative karma on North Park for their efforts to score 100 points.

[Mugsy]

I've read accounts and news stories of this game, and believe that the football gods have heaped loads of negative karma on North Park for their efforts to score 100 points.

Maybe so... but how brutally bad was NCC to give up 10 TD's on 20 plays.   What was NP to do?  Take a knee on every play?  Punt on first down?

[ncc58]

I've read accounts and news stories of this game, and believe that the football gods have heaped loads of negative karma on North Park for their efforts to score 100 points.

Maybe so... but how brutally bad was NCC to give up 10 TD's on 20 plays.   What was NP to do?  Take a knee on every play?  Punt on first down?

No, I wouldn't expect that. But let's say that your Wheaton was up 90-32 with 4 minutes to go. And the coaching staff gets a bug that they could get to 100 points. So, you put the 1st team back in. As was posted above, NPU scored every possession then suddenly NCC scored 26 unanswered points and the NPU 1st team is sent back in. The result of the game wasn't in doubt.

You don't think there would be a lot of discussion on all the boards on whether that was a display of sportsmanship?

[Gregory Sager]

I've read accounts and news stories of this game, and believe that the football gods have heaped loads of negative karma on North Park for their efforts to score 100 points.

Gee, do you also put stock in the veracity of your daily horoscope and in the proposition that stepping on a sidewalk crack will doom your mother to some sort of spinal injury? I'll bet you think that the reason why the Cubs can't get to the World Series actually has something to do with ol' Billy Sianis and his pet goat.

There's several easily-understood explanations as to why the football program of NPC (then) and NPU (now) has stunk on ice for close to forty years. They've been talked about at length in this room before. None of them have anything to do with mumbo-jumbo about Hindu mythology or voodoo curses.

[CardinalAlum]

Today marks the 38th anniversary of North Park's 104-32 win over North Central in 1968 at their Homecoming game.

The Vikings ran 20 plays in the first half and scored 10 touchdowns - they also punted once.  THe score was 69-6 at half.

After running 3 offensive plays in the 3rd quarter the score was 90-6.

In the remaining 10 minutes of the third quarter North Park has 5 touchdowns called back on penalties (NPC had 150+ in penalty yardage).

North Central scored 26 unanswered points in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

With four minutes left to play North Park, with only 35 healthy players dressed for the game, sent the 1st string offense back on the field, with the admonition from the coach "don't pass on the first two plays".  Leroy Dickens (8 carries for 165 yards) carried the ball twice for 40 yards, then Bruce Swanson passed to Paul Zaeske for a 14-yard TD (it was Zaeske's 8th TD catch of the game).

After another atrocious Cardinal punt and a long punt return by Dennis Kostrzewski the VIkings got the ball back on the Card 7-yard line.  Swanson threw twice to Alan Williams (same exact play), but the refs ruled the first one incomplete - the 2nd one for a TD (Williams 3rd TD catch, Swanson's 10th TD throw, 2nd string QB Greg Murzyn had the other TD throw on the Vikings 1st play of the 2nd half).

Senior basketball forward Dwight Nelson used athletic tape to tape the one digit on the scoreboard after the score.

On the last play of the game the Cards punted again to Kostrzewski who returned the punt from midfield and was knocked out of bounds inside the Cardinal ten.

North Park ran 62 plays and had 660 yards - scoring on its first play from scrimmage in each half - while North Central ran 87 plays for 350 yards (3 yds rushing).

MW

Was there.

I have to admit that I have always had a real problem with this score too!  Was NCC terrible?  I think the answer is obvious. For NP to put up those kinds of numbers was no doubt unsportsmanlike and classless.  The game was out of hand very early and the whole team, trainers included, should have gotten into that game.

[79jaybird]

GoThunder-- You are correct.  The most skilled linemen at any level are students first-- learning proper techniques.  We called it "Pass Rush Progression"  and was one of the first drills of practice each day.  This is so, because there are times to use the swim, rip, spin moves etc.
Anybody that racks up over 70 points in a lopsided, runaway game is Bush league if you ask me.  I guess I am from the "old school" where you win and lose with grace.

[usee]

Good article on Mugsy's man-crush Andy Studebaker in today's Sun-Times.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/92751,CST-SPT-small12.article

so lots of best friends for Studebaker. looks like we all might have to get used to it. Studebaker on the tackle, Sacked by Studebaker, Studebaker on the return.

Hey NCC fan, you want a Studebaker bobblehead? I can see one on your dashboard now.

Ring the bell

[Gregory Sager]

I have to admit that I have always had a real problem with this score too!  Was NCC terrible?  I think the answer is obvious. For NP to put up those kinds of numbers was no doubt unsportsmanlike and classless.  The game was out of hand very early and the whole team, trainers included, should have gotten into that game.

Dennis has already said that North Park dressed only 35 players that day. And, knowing North Park, some of those 35 were probably fairly useless warm-body-in-a-uniform types. Think about it: If you're constantly running up and down the field because every other play is an 80-yard touchdown -- and in addition you have five touchdowns called back because of penalties in the third quarter alone -- are you going to have enough wind to play out the remainder of the game if you're a Vikings reserve? Heck, just running up and down the field on every kickoff after a touchdown was probably enough to wear out the NPC second-stringers.

Then again, perhaps the Vikings were guilty of poor sportsmanship. The final score certainly makes it a plausible accusation. Thing is, you don't know for sure one way or the other, I don't know for sure one way or the other, and midwestfb doesn't know for sure one way or the other. Heck, I doubt that anyone still affiliated with NPU, or with any other CCIW school for that matter, knows for sure. Nineteen sixty-eight was a long, long time ago. Dennis knows, though, because he was actually there that day. I suggest that we take his word for it as to whether or not the Park was deliberately running up the score. Anyone who knows Dennis knows that he is the farthest thing in the world from an NPU yes-man.

[matblake]

Anybody that racks up over 70 points in a lopsided, runaway game is Bush league if you ask me.  I guess I am from the "old school" where you win and lose with grace.

First of all let me say that I am definitely not trying to call out jaybird.  His quote just provided me with a springboard for my opinion.  I am all for playing with class.

It's my opinion that the "old school" might be a matter of perspective.  We have a class of football players that might look at the Florida Steve Spurrier teams as old school.  72-0 drubbings of weaker opponents to solidify your #1 ranking can't be considered winning with grace.  Almost every college has stories like the NP/NCC game above both for and against them.  For instance Wheaton beat Elmhurst 78-3 in 1955.  Doesn't seem so "Old School" to me.  Back in 1915 Wheaton lost to North Western 90-0, that doesn't seem so "Old School" to me either, other than it being an old school beat down.  It's too bad that North Central lost by that amount.  But by and large, if that game in 1968 was North Park's glory moment in football, let them have it and realize that 38 years later it is really only a score at this point, especially for 34 years or so worth of players and alumni. 

[Red]

In all honesty, who really cares about a game played almost 40 years ago.  Lets drop it and talk about the present.
  How good is the Wheaton defensive end opposite Studebaker?  Reading and attacking a defensive end is pivotal for an option offense like Augie's.  Obviously Studebaker's ability at one side should result in the opposite side having a busy day.  Any comments on Wheaton's run defense overall?