FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gotberg]

But by and large, if that game in 1968 was North Park's glory moment in football, let them have it and realize that 38 years later it is really only a score at this point, especially for 34 years or so worth of players and alumni. 

Mike Holmgren referenced this game during his dedication speech of North Park's Holmgren Athletic Complex.  Bruce Swanson gave the introductory speech for Mike that day, and Mike opened up his comments reflecting on his process for choosing his college.  He said his choices came down to either USC or North Park, which he obviously chose USC.

Mike said that as he was handing-off to the likes of OJ Simpson and others at USC,  he was hearing the news about the 10 touchdown passes thrown by Bruce.  Mike had wondered if he had made a mistake because throwing 10 touchdown passes sure seemed like a lot more fun.

[79jaybird]

That Rockford team that won by lopsided scores that year, is the same team that Elmhurst played for 2 years home and away.  Elmhurst beat them pretty handily too.  As always, you have to look at the competition.
Looking forward to a good game Saturday in Naperville.  I think the bottom line is A) Will Elmhurst get the pass rush together and be in Kniss' face all day, keeping NC's offense off the field  B) Can Elmhurst "clean it up" and "execute" like they did against Carthage in Kenosha.  Let's face it,  Augie was a winnable game however turnovers and failure to execute in the redzone  cost them 14 points.  Any way I look at this game, I see a close battle being decided in the final half of the 4th quarter.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

You would be right if you thought there was a lot of bad blood between the football teams at North Park and North Central, both BEFORE and after the 1968 game.

Trinity Bible's terrible season certainly tops the 1958 Elmhurst team which got outscored something like 444 to 12.  That Bluejay squad lost consecutive games 90 to 6 at Wheaton's homecoming and 84 to 0 versus North Central at ELmhurst homecoming the next week.

Of course all pale in comparison to Georgia Tech's 222 to 0 romp over Cumberland, a game stopped midway through the third quarter.  Cumberland's best play of the game went for minus four yards.

MW

Now back to future......

[matblake]

But by and large, if that game in 1968 was North Park's glory moment in football, let them have it and realize that 38 years later it is really only a score at this point, especially for 34 years or so worth of players and alumni. 

I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it a "glory moment". The vast majority of people at NPU, football players included, aren't even aware of that 38-year-old game, or of the fact that North Park still holds some NCAA records set in that game. Only the alumni from the Prikkel era, and a few (relatively) younger people like me who have a keen sense of the school's history, know that that record-setting romp over North Central ever took place. If 1968 is remembered for anything regarding football at NPU, it's remembered as the only year in school history that the Vikings have had a winning season since the Park became a four-year institution in the late 1950s.

The five national championships in basketball ... now, that's another story. Not only are the banners and the trophies still present on the NPU campus for everyone to see, but those seasons themselves are still a part of school folklore. Those were true "glory moments", as opposed to a single day's scoreboard fluke.

(The truly weird thing about that 1968 rout was that it didn't involve either the best or the worst team in the league. NPC finished 5-2 in the CCIW that season, tied with Illinois Wesleyan for second behind 6-1 Augustana; NCC finished 1-6, a game ahead of winless Elmhurst.)

GS, the storied basketball program is a different story than the football teams they have fielded over the years.  That's why I talked about it being a glory moment in football.  I also tried to put my words out there in the  that if you enrolled at North Park after that game most likely it would just be a score in the press guide.

[Gotberg]

Leroy Dickens (8 carries for 165 yards) carried the ball twice for 40 yards, then Bruce Swanson passed to Paul Zaeske for a 14-yard TD (it was Zaeske's 8th TD catch of the game).

Didn't Zaeske play a year or 2 with the Houston Oilers?

[matblake]

The five national championships in basketball ... now, that's another story. Not only are the banners and the trophies still present on the NPU campus for everyone to see, but those seasons themselves are still a part of school folklore. Those were true "glory moments", as opposed to a single day's scoreboard fluke.

Incidentally, for some of the newcomers that might like to know a little more about North Park's history in basketball you might try lurking for a bit over on CCIW Chat in the basketball section of the bulletin board.  Lots of stats, etc. sure to come up there.  It is a bit slow now, but will take off pretty soon.  Here is an article from d3hoops.com that also gives some good info www.d3hoops.com/features/05/northpark.htm

[Mugsy]

I could understand not having high tackle counts but only have 4.5 total tackles including 2 assists in that 4.5 total tackles is not very impressive against the run. So, in 5 games that he has played he has a WHOPPING 2.5 total solo tackles. Not very impressive to me mugsy. If my math is right that is .5 tackles per game excluding the 11.5 sacks, which is impressive against passing teams.

And yes, You were the only one talking him up until everyone joined the bandwagon because of his sacks. Bottom line .5 tackles a game or 16 tackles total in 5 games, not that impressive against the run.

ncc_cardinal_fan,

I believe you have made a mistake and confused Dan Studebaker's stats with Andy Studebaker's.

Dan Studebaker:  2 solo tackles, 3 assists, 0 sacks
Andy Studebaker: 14 solo tackles, 2 assists, 11.5 sacks

Almost everyone is aware that Andy Studebaker is #2 in the nation in Sacks with 11.5 for -99 yards.  Many do not realize he is #6 in the nation in "Tackles For Loss" with 12.5 for -103 yards. 

[usee]

Proof is in the Pudding:

                                      GP   solo   ass.   tot    sacks
*90 Studebaker, An.        5     14      2       16  11.5-99

16 total tackles 11.5 sacks, what the heck? Do they take him out on running plays


*from wheatons web-site

Good luck against a running team "Studemugsy"

(please all reasonable cardinal posters skip this post. it has a single purpose)

hey ncc_cardinal spam,

you have your own troubles this week. you can knock this years Defensive MVP all you want but just know he about single handedly took out your alma mater. Studebaker will do just fine vs augie tomorrow. no need to defend his stats. He is headed toward all american status no matter what you think. Good news is he's just a junior so you can get used to seeing his name. you might think about defending your own teams stats as Studebaker held NCC to 6 meaningless points and a 100 yds when their season was on the line.

[Mugsy]

I made an error in my previous post after double checking the NCAA official statistician rules.  Sacks are included in the the tackles for loss stats so he only has 103 yards for loss, not 203 as I stated.

TACKLE FOR LOSS: Tackles behind the line of scrimmage resulting in lost
yardage, either of a ball carrier or a quarterback attempting to pass, are
tackles for loss. The same principles noted above apply. A player who is
credited with a solo tackle for a loss also should be credited with a solo
tackle. If two players contribute equally to stopping a ball carrier behind
the line of scrimmage (and no player is credited with a solo tackle), then
credit each player with an assisted tackle for loss as well as an assisted
tackle.
For yardage lost, credit the entire yardage lost to a solo tackler. In the
case of assisted tacklers, split yardage lost between the two players. If
the yardage lost is an odd number, then the yardage split shall be at the
discretion of the official game statistician.

Still after watching him play 3 games now and evaluating his ability as a former coach, he is very effective against the run, even though he doesn't have the all-world stats you are looking for.

I do think ncc_cardinal_fan looked at the wrong Studebaker on tackle stats.  Andy has 16 tackles in 5 games.  So instead of the .5 per game, it really is 3.2 per game.

[Mugsy]

(please all reasonable cardinal posters skip this post. it has a single purpose)

hey ncc_cardinal spam,

you have your own troubles this week. you can knock this years Defensive MVP all you want but just know he about single handedly took out your alma mater. Studebaker will do just fine vs augie tomorrow. no need to defend his stats. He is headed toward all american status no matter what you think. Good news is he's just a junior so you can get used to seeing his name. you might think about defending your own teams stats as Studebaker held NCC to 6 meaningless points and a 100 yds when their season was on the line.

Said so much better than my attempts.  Thank you, usee.

[Gregory Sager]

But by and large, if that game in 1968 was North Park's glory moment in football, let them have it and realize that 38 years later it is really only a score at this point, especially for 34 years or so worth of players and alumni. 

That's actually matblake's quote.

GS, the storied basketball program is a different story than the football teams they have fielded over the years.

Well, yeah, that's my entire point.

That's why I talked about it being a glory moment in football.  I also tried to put my words out there in the  that if you enrolled at North Park after that game most likely it would just be a score in the press guide.

I guess that I just interpret the words "glory moment" differently than you. To me, true glory is found only in something that endures. Consider that my theologically-oriented thought for the day. 

Didn't Zaeske play a year or 2 with the Houston Oilers?

Zaeske played in eleven games for the Oilers in the 1969 and 1970 seasons. He never caught a pass.

Incidentally, the page in the football section of the NPU website that mentions former Vikings in the pros got the draft info on linebacker/punter Chuck Burgoon wrong. He was drafted in the third round of the 1970 draft by the Minnesota Vikings, not the fifth.

[matblake]

I guess that I just interpret the words "glory moment" differently than you. To me, true glory is found only in something that endures. Consider that my theologically-oriented thought for the day. 

I concede  8)

[ncc_cardinal_fan]

I could understand not having high tackle counts but only have 4.5 total tackles including 2 assists in that 4.5 total tackles is not very impressive against the run. So, in 5 games that he has played he has a WHOPPING 2.5 total solo tackles. Not very impressive to me mugsy. If my math is right that is .5 tackles per game excluding the 11.5 sacks, which is impressive against passing teams.

And yes, You were the only one talking him up until everyone joined the bandwagon because of his sacks. Bottom line .5 tackles a game or 16 tackles total in 5 games, not that impressive against the run.

ncc_cardinal_fan,

I believe you have made a mistake and confused Dan Studebaker's stats with Andy Studebaker's.

Dan Studebaker:  2 solo tackles, 3 assists, 0 sacks
Andy Studebaker: 14 solo tackles, 2 assists, 11.5 sacks

Almost everyone is aware that Andy Studebaker is #2 in the nation in Sacks with 11.5 for -99 yards.  Many do not realize he is #6 in the nation in "Tackles For Loss" with 12.5 for -103 yards. 

um, no mugsy if you will learn how to read, beacuse I know that can be hard sometimes for you. i said that he has 11.5 sacks with only 16 total tackles, leaving him with a whopping 4.5 tackles total in 5 games, not very impressive. I did not confuse the two studemugsy brothers, sorry!!!

A sack counts as a tackle if you were unaware of that!!!

[usee]

Granted Wheaton has only faced one team so far with a significant ability to run the ball - NCC at 173 yards per game.  But Wheaton is only allowing 63 yards rushing per game.

It should be a really interesting match up and I'm eager to see how Wheaton handles the challenge presented by Augustana.

I would argue the 2nd best running back in the league was pretty good too. wheaton largely kept him under your under

[usee]

um, no mugsy if you will learn how to read, beacuse I know that can be hard sometimes for you. i said that he has 11.5 sacks with only 16 total tackles, leaving him with a whopping 4.5 tackles total in 5 games, not very impressive. I did not confuse the two studemugsy brothers, sorry!!!

A sack counts as a tackle if you were unaware of that!!!

hey ncc spam,

why don't you crawl back under your rock and come out in another couple decades. No one one here cares that you are bitter your team lost and feel a need to avenge that by bashing the best defensive player in the league on the best team. If you want to be additive to the conversation by all means go for it. you want to talk about the great players on your team (kniss, studeman, sulo(s), hammers, wenger). ncc has a bright future.

Let it go. Studebaker is dominant and you don't want to admit that. so be it. Let it go.