FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[raiderguy]

Does anyone think it is funny when you read the article about Augustana's game last week when the reporter refers to "Augustana going against the wind!!!!!!!?"

Does that really affect their play selection? LOL. It slows the RB's down?

I give them credit, they are tossing the pill at a record breaking pace I would guess.

[Mugsy]

Does anyone think it is funny when you read the article about Augustana's game last week when the reporter refers to "Augustana going against the wind!!!!!!!?"

Does that really affect their play selection? LOL. It slows the RB's down?

I give them credit, they are tossing the pill at a record breaking pace I would guess.

It has a dramatic affect on the center to QB exchange - you know the infinitesimal time prior to the QB taking possession of the snap from center.    You should see what the wind does to the occassional pitch on the option play, not that Augie pitches all that often.   

The way in which the writer referenced the "wind advantage" did sound odd in relation to the offense Augie runs.  It did play a significant role in terms of special teams - kickoffs, punts, etc...

As some posted here about the game, the play of the game was Augie's decision to go for a 4th and 1 from their own 22 yard line late in the 4th quarter.  Perhaps the primary reason for this decision was due to the fact Augie would have had to punt into a fierce wind, so field position wouldn't have differed that much between if the 4th down conversion failed and the net yardage after the punt.

[CardinalAlum]

infinitesimal??    dictionary time!  8)

[79jaybird]

Suppose Wheaton and Augie win out.  Augie would be the CCIW Champs with a 7-0 league mark.  Wheaton would be runner up with a 6-1 mark and 9-1 overall.  Do you think Wheaton would get a Pool C bid?  I don't see Wheaton losing the rest of the year and Augie (unless something really goes wrong) shouldn't lose either. 
I know the CCIW is not as strong this year, but how could you pass up a 9-1 runner up team who's only loss was to the first place team?  Just a "what if" scenario.
Comet14-- I agree that the reason Elmhurst couldn't put together the same 2nd half as in the first was because their offense couldn't get going.  Even the best defenses will crack and give up points if the offense doesn't start gaining first downs and increasing their TOP.  Hopefully the Jays can take this game in stride, learn from the mistakes and lessons of the game, and put together a good performance for Homecoming Weekend vs. IWU. 

[matblake]

Suppose Wheaton and Augie win out.  Augie would be the CCIW Champs with a 7-0 league mark.  Wheaton would be runner up with a 6-1 mark and 9-1 overall.  Do you think Wheaton would get a Pool C bid?  I don't see Wheaton losing the rest of the year and Augie (unless something really goes wrong) shouldn't lose either. 
I know the CCIW is not as strong this year, but how could you pass up a 9-1 runner up team who's only loss was to the first place team?  Just a "what if" scenario.

When you start getting into a Pool C situation, it really depends on how other teams in other conferences finish out.  That QOW index figures in as well.  If you are on the bubble, better hope that teams you beat win. 

[usee]

Suppose Wheaton and Augie win out.  Augie would be the CCIW Champs with a 7-0 league mark.  Wheaton would be runner up with a 6-1 mark and 9-1 overall.  Do you think Wheaton would get a Pool C bid?  I don't see Wheaton losing the rest of the year and Augie (unless something really goes wrong) shouldn't lose either. 
I know the CCIW is not as strong this year, but how could you pass up a 9-1 runner up team who's only loss was to the first place team?  Just a "what if" scenario.

I think there is a strong case for a 9-1 wheaton to get in. problem becomes the non conference losses by augie to UWP and BW. the 2nd place team from cciw simply won't be viewed as strongly because of this.

even more interesting is if ncc wins out (beating augie). now who is the AQ? if it goes to tiebreaker then NCC better beat augie by at least 21 pts to have a chance at the AQ (based on pt differential). if ncc beats augie by less than 21 wheaton is the AQ. I do believe NCC has a very good chance of beating augie in naperville.

of course all of this is moot if wheaton doesn't play better than they did saturday. if they play that way they will lose 3 of the next 4 games for sure.

[usee]

Suppose Wheaton and Augie win out.  Augie would be the CCIW Champs with a 7-0 league mark.  Wheaton would be runner up with a 6-1 mark and 9-1 overall.  Do you think Wheaton would get a Pool C bid?  I don't see Wheaton losing the rest of the year and Augie (unless something really goes wrong) shouldn't lose either. 
I know the CCIW is not as strong this year, but how could you pass up a 9-1 runner up team who's only loss was to the first place team?  Just a "what if" scenario.

When you start getting into a Pool C situation, it really depends on how other teams in other conferences finish out.  That QOW index figures in as well.  If you are on the bubble, better hope that teams you beat win. 

its all true but with the expanded field a 9-1 wheaton team has a pretty good shot. but based on my previous post I think the only way the CCIW gets two teams in is if Augie and Wheaton both win out or if NCC beats Augie by at least 21 pts. In that case NCC is in and wheaton should certainly get a pool C because ncc's only other loss is to a conference champ.

[Mugsy]

When you start getting into a Pool C situation, it really depends on how other teams in other conferences finish out.  That QOW index figures in as well.  If you are on the bubble, better hope that teams you beat win. 

This is a mixed bag so far for Wheaton, although it is still early.  

Albion has struggled and hasn't been too successful in the MIAA so far at 1-2.  Hope has turned things around nicely and is currently 3-0 in the MIAA.  Wheaton needs Hope to win out to help this cause.  That said the MIAA has not been viewed as a really strong conference over the past few years, and this year doesn't too much different.  

WashU plays in the tiny UAA and is doing alright, but this won't dramatically enhance Wheatons QOW overall (or North Centrals).

[usee]

the tiebreaker for the cciw works like this as i understand it:

1-head to head (assume augie, ncc, wheaton are all tied)
2-record vs next best opponent (assume all will have beaten carthage or elm or whomever)
3-point differential among those tied (simply net the point spread of each team vs the other two. example: wheaton beats ncc by 12, loses to augie by 3 = +9; augie sits at +3 right now and ncc at -12. ncc has to get to +9 or better vs augie to edge wheaton. augie doesn't matter because if they beat ncc they are the aq).

this is the only scenario this can happen. carthage has to win out to make it and then everyone else has two losses except augie who they will have beaten head to head.

its all so confusing.

[Mugsy]

the tiebreaker for the cciw works like this as i understand it:

1-head to head (assume augie, ncc, wheaton are all tied)
2-record vs next best opponent (assume all will have beaten carthage or elm or whomever)
3-point differential among those tied (simply net the point spread of each team vs the other two. example: wheaton beats ncc by 12, loses to augie by 3 = +9; augie sits at +3 right now and ncc at -12. ncc has to get to +9 or better vs augie to edge wheaton. augie doesn't matter because if they beat ncc they are the aq).

this is the only scenario this can happen. carthage has to win out to make it and then everyone else has two losses except augie who they will have beaten head to head.

its all so confusing.

Yup, but it all comes down to winning the AQ.  Don't allow your chances for postseason play to fall to the committee and getting a Pool C slot.  I've been on the wrong side of the committee vote twice and it isn't much fun.

[RedmenFB44]

This is a huge game for Carthage this weekend @Augie. This game will be give us a great outlook of who can win the conference. Carthage has not played well against Augustana in their history (13-58-4). I do know that history doesn't mean anything when it's gametime but I like to look at stats.

Carthage has not beaten Augustana since 1996! Here are the Carthage/Augie games since 1996:

1996: @Carthage - 28
          Augustana - 18

1997: @Augustana - 28
          Carthage - 21

1998: Augustana - 45
         @Carthage - 6

1999: @Augustana - 31
          Carthage - 9

2000: Augustana - 23
         @Carthage - 14

2001: @Augustana - 41
          Carthage - 18

2002: Augustana - 34  (OT)
         @Carthage - 28

2003: @Augustana - 56
         Carthage - 20

2004: @Augustana - 35
          Carthage - 0 (Only Conference Loss)

2005: Augustana - 7
         @Carthage - 0

Coach Rucks is 1-10 against Augustana since becoming the head coach in 1995. Carthage has won only 4 times @Augustana since the series started in 1928. The odds are against Carthage in this one, so I know that coach Rucks will have his guys ready.

[TrueAugieAlum]

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Lets get real... nobody goes to JV games unless your a parent or current player





... or playing in the game
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Okay kiddies, look at the time of this post.  It at least proves I am not a player.  It should also prove I am not a parent, because if I was I would be at my second job so I could pay for my kid to go to Augie!!!

But I will not play the game anymore because it bores me.

Maybe, I have been too hard on old coach JohnsEn - but that is only because he is the uncoordinating coordinator.  Maybe, I should direct my comments to Coach Barnes the micro-manager/coach.  Whoever is to blame for the lackluster offense and misuse of the players should heed some advice.  GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR A..ES, and mix it up some!!!!!

[RedmenFB44]

I think this guy should consider changing his name to TrueAugieBasher
Come on now enough with your bashing of the Augie program. It is a very respectable program that has been successful for many years. If you want to talk football and be understanding about it then go ahead but as of now you need to be more respectful to others before you post on this board.

[Adam Sayer]

Carthage made it to the 3rd round of the playoffs in 2004. What happend with that game against Augustana?

[RedmenFB44]

Carthage made it to the 3rd round of the playoffs in 2004. What happend with that game against Augustana?

Being in that game, we just came out very sluggish. Our offense moved the ball but whenever we got inside of their 20 yard line, we would turn the ball over or have a penalty. Augie's running offense just took a toll on our defense. Our defense was our strong part that 2004 season and as we (the offense) sat there on the sidelines watching Augie's offense slowly move down the field on our defense, it really took a lot out of our offense too. It's just one of those games in a season where you just get beat. Kinda like the Bears game tonight