FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[79jaybird]

"My only question is the fact that Carthage lost at home to Elmhurst who lost to 2 of the 3 Carthage faces."
Tailgater/Usee The Carthage loss to Elmhurst, Elmhurst losses to Augie and NC can all be summed up with 2 words  A) Turnovers B) Execution
Each game's winners executed and had little (if any) turnovers, while the losers of these games didn't execute at the right times and turned the ball over.
Tailgater-- great points about not looking ahead.  Especially in this conf.  if you look ahead, you will get beat because everybody can beat everybody on any given night.

[usee]

"They have the best RB in the league.  Not true, by any measure Chaz Black is #1."
While I agree that Chaz Black is a great running back, IMO Nathan Wallick is the best running back in the CCIW.  If I was forming a team of the best of the CCIW, Nathan Wallick would be my go to guy running the football.  If it's 4th down and you need a first down,  I would be putting the ball in Nathan's hands.
For 3 good years, Wallick has been a very good running back.  I have seen him dominate games that Millikin has had no business being in.  IMO, Wallick is better than Black.

and you still think elmhurst is better than augie and north central too.

[usee]

"Besides it has been awhile since they have been there"

What is the "there"?  Their best finish was 2nd place in the CCIW and they have never won the CCIW let alone be even close to a playoff bid.  I think the immediate goal for Scott Pethtel and NPU is try to start getting competitive in the CCIW and try to start getting strong, perennial recruiting classes feeding into NPU.  Tim Rucks showed that it can happen with A LOT of work, but right now I think NPU has to take baby steps to build up a program.

i am pretty sure he was joking.

[usee]

"My only question is the fact that Carthage lost at home to Elmhurst who lost to 2 of the 3 Carthage faces."
Tailgater/Usee The Carthage loss to Elmhurst, Elmhurst losses to Augie and NC can all be summed up with 2 words  A) Turnovers B) Execution
Each game's winners executed and had little (if any) turnovers, while the losers of these games didn't execute at the right times and turned the ball over.

what is your point?

If your team is better then it will execute and hang on to the ball.

[FormerCard]

"Besides it has been awhile since they have been there"

What is the "there"?  Their best finish was 2nd place in the CCIW and they have never won the CCIW let alone be even close to a playoff bid.  I think the immediate goal for Scott Pethtel and NPU is try to start getting competitive in the CCIW and try to start getting strong, perennial recruiting classes feeding into NPU.  Tim Rucks showed that it can happen with A LOT of work, but right now I think NPU has to take baby steps to build up a program.

i am pretty sure he was joking.

I was very much joking Jaybird.  But you did make some valid points about their program

[79jaybird]

"And you still think Elmhurst is better than Augie and NC"
Usee, I never said this. Obviously, because Augie and NC beat Elmhurst, they are better right now, I don't why you make that comment?
You think Black is the best RB  great that's fine and that's your opinion.  I think Wallick is the best RB which is great and fine also.  I am sure somebody else might think Dunlop might be the best or whatever,  the point being it is an opinion and it is not right/wrong more of who you feel is the best and who you would have playing for you, if you were to be the coach.
If I was the coach of a CCIW All Star team.
QB- Kniss
RB Wallick #1  Black #2 Dunlop #3
WR's Young, Haldeman

[79jaybird]

Usee- My point is that Elmhurst beat Carthage because the Redmen turned the ball over in the EC Redzone (inside the 10 yard line) which is why EC escaped with the win.  Elmhurst had an interception in the endzone and was stopped on the goalline (turnover/lack of execution) which helped Augie win, and Elmhurst's interceptions/missed FG, etc. are reasons why NC was able to win at home.  My point is that to win in this conference you have to A) limit your turnovers B) Execute.

[usee]

Usee, I never said this.

read your analysis of the NCC/elmhurst game below.

The QB slot today was a disappointment.  For some reason they did not look comfortable in the pocket, on their runs, 2 of their interceptions were balls that should never have been thrown, etc.  I don't give credit to NC's defense, as much as pointing the finger at ourselves as lack of execution.
I was not impressed with Kniss today.  I thought the game was won today by Studemann and Sulo on offense.
What baffles me and I am sure I will be tossing in my bed trying to understand how a team goes from  6-3 at the half and playing well on both sides, to 24-6 in a 10:00 span and playing like a deer in the headlights. 

now, did you outright say it? no, but you consistently fail to give credit to the other team when Elmhurst loses. You imply that if Elmhurst had done X or Y they would have won. When you get beat, you need to give credit to the other team, painful as that may be.

By the way, I didn't say you said elmhurst was better, I simply said you think they are.

[Tailgater]

Tailgater-- great points about not looking ahead.  Especially in this conf.  if you look ahead, you will get beat because everybody can beat everybody on any given night.

79jaybird:
That's the point I was trying to make. I tongue in check said Carthage will win out and take the AQ. Do I believe Carthage can win out or do I hope Carthage can win out. More the latter than the former to be truthful. I do believe if Carthage can execute a perfect game plan and not make costly mistakes which hand points to their opposition I truly believe Carthage is capable of beating anybody even in Rock Island. They lost to Elmhurst because of their own mistakes. No disrespect to the Bluejays as Elmhurst capitalized on those mistakes. I would be even more confident in my speculation if Carthage hadn't suffered the numerous key injuries they have so far this season. Many have questioned the consistency of the Red Men offense. I have witnessed their ability to rise to the occassion. They are 5-1 and they aren't relying on the defense to score to win games like in the 2004 season. Yes they haven't played the likes of Augie, Wheaton and NCC yet. This week will be a true measure of their capability. I know the Red Men senior class is keyed up as this is their last opportunity to beat Augie in their football careers, the only team they haven't tasted success against.

[Tailgater]

"My only question is the fact that Carthage lost at home to Elmhurst who lost to 2 of the 3 Carthage faces."
Tailgater/Usee The Carthage loss to Elmhurst, Elmhurst losses to Augie and NC can all be summed up with 2 words  A) Turnovers B) Execution
Each game's winners executed and had little (if any) turnovers, while the losers of these games didn't execute at the right times and turned the ball over.

what is your point?

If your team is better then it will execute and hang on to the ball.

Well not always, I think the Bears are better than the Cardinals and they didn't execute and hang onto the ball. They still won because they rose above those mistakes.

[Red]

If you were designing a CCIW all-star team, who would be your head coach and why?

[CardinalAlum]

If you were designing a CCIW all-star team, who would be your head coach and why?

Swider.  Because he has great hair!    Oh yeah, and because he is a great coach! 

[RedmenFB44]

What it all comes down to for Carthage is if they want to have a shot a winning the conference , they HAVE to win this weekend against Augie. That's all there is to it. They have a tough road with Wheaton, Millikin, and NCC after Augie this weekend. Carthage HAS to win out to win the conference or have a share of it. If Carthage loses one of the remaining 4 conference games, their chances of even making the playoffs has become very slim. I think they can pull it off but they need to play 4 near perfect games these next for weeks. MUST WIN FOR CARTHAGE THIS WEEKEND!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Norm Eash.  Why waste years getting everyone to hate you, when everyone here already does!

In reality, I don't know.

[RedmenFB44]

If you were designing a CCIW all-star team, who would be your head coach and why?

Hard to make that judgement because not everyone knows or haven't played for every coach. I think coach Rucks is a great coach but that's all I know.