FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[formerd3db]

Is there anywhere on this sight that has the qualifications for second stringer, starter, etc.?  What is this karma stuff? How does it work? How do you get it? Lose it? Who gives it? Or, takes it away?

Go to Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ's) and the associated section on this website (i.e. check the left hand column for these sections).

[cardinaldad]

thanks

[Mr. Ypsi]

Is there anywhere on this sight that has the qualifications for second stringer, starter, etc.?  What is this karma stuff? How does it work? How do you get it? Lose it? Who gives it? Or, takes it away?

I don't recall the specific numbers, but second stringer, starter, etc., are based on number of posts.

As for karma, once you reach 200 posts you will magically be endowed with [applaud] [smite] buttons.  Karma is granted (or removed) by your fellow posters.  Ideally it 'civilizes' rowdy newbies (and often seems to work that way), but it can also be (and often is) abused in personal or college 'vendettas'.  In the CCIW it seems to work largely as intended; on some other boards it is a trainwreck!

[Jim Matson]

Ypsi and usee, I am very well aware of the three way tie-breaker.  My only point was that it would be difficult to see the team that you defeated AND the team you tied for the championship get the AQ.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Ypsi and usee, I am very well aware of the three way tie-breaker.  My only point was that it would be difficult to see the team that you defeated AND the team you tied for the championship get the AQ.

But, Jim, they obviously can't BOTH get the AQ!

The only way Augie can get the AQ (or make the playoffs at all!) is if NCC stumbles, so they have only the head-to-head against you.  If Augie stumbles, YOU get the AQ for the head-to-head against NCC.  MY most likely scenario is none of you stumbles, and NCC gets the AQ but Wheaton gets a C (and Augie DEEPLY regrets those early losses).

[Jim Matson]

So assuming that Wheaton wins out and the standings remain tied, Wheaton's hope is for a Pool C bid.  Here is the regional ranking from last week.  With today's scores, you will probably see Wheaton move up one and North Central may appear as well.  At any rate, ending the season tied with Augie and North Central, Wheaton would have a good chance at a Pool C bid.

I've added my comments to the rankings to stimulate some discussion.  Again, I am making some assumptions!

1.   Mount Union...7-0...7-0 (beat #2 Capital - will be Pool A)
2.   Capital...7-0...7-0 (lost to #1 Mount Union - if they beat B-W, they likely will be a Pool C)
3.   Mount St. Joseph...7-0...7-0 (beat an unranked team - probable Pool A)
4.   Concordia (Wisconsin)...8-0...8-0 (beat an unranked team - Pool A)
5.   Augustana (Illinois)...5-2...5-2 (lost to unranked North Central - out)
6.   Wheaton (Illinois)...6-1...6-1 (beat unranked Elmhurst - Pool C looks possible)
7.   Wooster...6-1...6-1 (lost to unranked Wabash - tough Pool C with 2 losses)
8.   Franklin...6-1...6-1 (beat an unranked team - seems like a good Pool C candidate)
9.   Rockford...7-0...7-1 (lost to an unranked team - no Pool A and tough Pool C with 2 losses)
10.   Baldwin-Wallace...5-2...5-2 (beat ONU but has to play Capital - unlikely Pool C?)

[NCC_alum62]

Hands down I am so excited for the Cardinal football team...not sure if it is confirmed or not but the announcers were saying before the game that if the cards one by 21 they would be in the lead for conference and get the AQ to the play-offs (if they win out)

The defense was absoultly superb! And against Auggie the offense controlled the football (that 24 play 75 yard drive took over 10:00 off the game clock in the first half)  I told yall that Weinke would have something cooked up and it included beefing up the line (keeping Yena 6'3 345, #56, Hannon at DE, and Guzaldo at the other end) they rotated in personelle very well all game and the DB's stayed at home and played thier positions well both supporting the run and defending the pas (2 pics...almost 3)  The fact that they didn't allow an Auggie first down until the 3rd quarter...hellz yeah

I also respected the play calling of the coaching staff in the second half with the game in hand they choose to keep the clock moving instead of running up the score...they had solid drives that chewed up the clock.  Auggie is always a hard week and an exciting one...They are still a good team and they played with class even when the game was over in the second half.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Jim,

You can't look at a region in isolation - there is no rule that the North playoff region will consist of 8 North teams.  Also bear in mind that the MIAA has an AQ, but no team in the top ten, so there goes a spot.

The 'general football' board has sub-boards for both pool C and pool B (since they could spillover to capture a C).  No one is giving Franklin any realistic chance.  IF they win out, the consensus seems to be that Wheaton is a veritable lock.

ASSUMING no further losses, my current guess would be:
MUC
Cap/BW
MSJ
CUW
NCC
Wheaton (would, at 9-1, almost certainly beat out an 8-2 Cap or BW)
MIAA champ
NCAC champ

(listed in order of memory, not probability or seedings!)

[79jaybird]

Tough game at Wheaton today for a few reasons.  First and foremost, Elmhurst Offense was inconsistent again.  A great example is Rivers breaking away for 50+ yards into Wheaton territory. First and 10 inside the 15 yd line and the Jays call a delayed handoff inside??    Why the DELAY!!  Why give Studebaker and the big boys on Wheaton's D even more time to pin the RB's in the backfield. That to me is coaching, not the players.  The players are going by what the coaches "see" and I guess IMO I would have tried something else instead of those VERY PREDICTABLE delayed handoffs.
Case in point, when Wheaton led 7-0 and 14-0 Elmhurst had their chances in the RED ZONE and were moving the ball well, but each time the drive(s) fizzled out with turnovers and/or change of possessions.

[79jaybird]

Cardinaldad-- what are you smoking?  To think that Elmhurst isn't improving is just flat out off the wall.  6-4, 4-6, 6-4, and now at worst 5-5 but I think they still have a great shot at 7-3 shows the ship is starting to sail in the right ocean.  This after a LONG stretch of 1-3 win seasons.  Think about the facts before you post something.
Also  North Central last won the CCIW in 1960.  Before that the Cards won the CCIW in 1946 and 1947.
I thought the Elmhurst Defense played well enough to give them a shot against a very strong Thunder Team.  But even the best teams will eventually "give in" when their offense turns the ball over, or can't score in the red zone.
For Wheaton,  I would stick with Ullrich at Quarterback.  He appeared to be smarter and more comfortable in the pocket.  Plus, Chupp has a tendency to look focus on 1 man downfield (Brother Joe) which good teams will quickly glom on to.  For some reason today, EC's Offense and Secondary forgot to "get off the bus and play" today.   
The D-Line and Linebackers were solid for Elmhurst, but again it takes 11 guys making plays.

[79jaybird]

All right, 2 weeks to go before the Playoffs and 3 teams are battling for a spot.  I am all in favor of 2 CCIW teams getting in, but to be quite honest, I wonder if we will get 2 teams in.  The OAC is by far, much stronger this year.  I hope the CCIW does get 2 teams in, but you never know.
Suddenly Carthage has become a real player in this race.  Carthage is no cakewalk for any team and especially at home. 
What happened to Augie?  Guess we might see Jimmy Barnes take off the AUGIE logo again on the helmets this week? 

[Deal_or_no_Deal]

Sorry for being so late but Wheaton has no chance at winning a national championship at this point.  They lack the toughness and the ablitiy.  In the future they might but right now no chance.  They lost to augie who   just screwed themselves tonight.  Wheaton had nothing to do with it.

[ncc58]

Cardinaldad-- what are you smoking?  To think that Elmhurst isn't improving is just flat out off the wall.  6-4, 4-6, 6-4, and now at worst 5-5 but I think they still have a great shot at 7-3 shows the ship is starting to sail in the right ocean.  This after a LONG stretch of 1-3 win seasons.  Think about the facts before you post something.

All Cardinaldad did was express his opinion that he thought that Elmhurst was going to contend for the CCIW title. But Elmhurst failed to beat any of the top 3 teams - North Central, Wheaton, and Augustana. Until you start to win games against those teams on a regular basis, 7-3 is worth nothing but 4th place.

But you've taken shots  all season at NCC ... North Central didn't beat you, Elmhurst lost the game. Kniss impresses everyone but not you. Sulo doesn't impress you despite averaging 100 yards/game rushing. You must have had a really bad experience against North Central ...

[dansand]

After seeing the score of yesterday's game, I purposely didn't post because it probably would have just been a total rant based more on my disappointment than any objective thought.

First of all congratulations to NC. It looks like total domination in every phase and they now, rightfully, have their AQ destiny in their own hands, kind of. Augie had 32 rushing attempts. If I feel very ambitious, later I might look into the last time they had that few rushing attempts in a game. My guess is it's been a long, long time. Credit goes not only to the Cardinal defense, but to their offense as well. They obviously were able control the clock they way Augie strives to.

As far as the the Vikings go, while they've had a disappointing season, let's keep thing in perspective. They're still playing for a share of the conference title. After week three I think most of us, myself included, would have been very surprised at that. I'd be curious to see the list of teams that Go Thunder has seen if Augie's o-line (yesterday's performance not withstanding) is the worst he's ever seen in D3. Remember, they were good enough to beat a team with a chance for a national championship.

Their game at Millikin now becomes very important not only to their own championship hopes, but also NC's AQ chances. If the Big Blue do to the Vikes what the Cardinals did, it's advantage Wheaton. As disappointed as I am with the Augie, the last two weeks of the conference season should be very entertaining.

[cardinaldad]

Cardinaldad-- what are you smoking?  To think that Elmhurst isn't improving is just flat out off the wall.  6-4, 4-6, 6-4, and now at worst 5-5 but I think they still have a great shot at 7-3 shows the ship is starting to sail in the right ocean.  This after a LONG stretch of 1-3 win seasons.  Think about the facts before you post something.

All Cardinaldad did was express his opinion that he thought that Elmhurst was going to contend for the CCIW title. But Elmhurst failed to beat any of the top 3 teams - North Central, Wheaton, and Augustana. Until you start to win games against those teams on a regular basis, 7-3 is worth nothing but 4th place.

But you've taken shots  all season at NCC ... North Central didn't beat you, Elmhurst lost the game. Kniss impresses everyone but not you. Sulo doesn't impress you despite averaging 100 yards/game rushing. You must have had a really bad experience against North Central ...

Thanks midwestfb, You are correct. I've been watching Elmhurst football for about 6 years now. I watched them improve each year until this year.  I expected them to compete for the title this year. IMO they are not playing as well as they have the past year or two.