FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[cardinaldad]

Winning tends to right a lot of ships! 

As I said CardinalAlum, it had nothing to do with winning or losing. Let's face it, there hasn't been a lot of losing going on. But, it seems to have been corrected.

[cardinalpride]

Cardinal_Skip,

Welcome to the board.  Always good to have another Cardinal!

Thanks for the Karma CardinalAlum!    I'll give another welcome to Cardinal_Skip!

cardinalpride,

4 more posts and you are given karma power!

Wow, and at a karma of -49, you've got a  lot of payback to dish out!!

I can't wait! 

[cardinalpride]

Wow, and at a karma of -49, you've got a  lot of payback to dish out!!

That is what happens to you when you post in the CCIW basketball board!

There are a lot of Cardinal haters on the basketball board and I know who they are.   

[Gregory Sager]

titan backer -

Watts was out with a concussion for NP.  #12 is frosh running back kelvyn West.  The Vikes had almost all freshman on the field again due toto injuries.  I will say that yesterday's match up was most definitley the 2 cellar dwellers in the CCIW.  Many miscues and penalties but ultimately NP just gave up after only being down 3-0 at the half.  Disapointing.

I like NPU's freshman running back Kelvyn West. He's made some tough runs this season, and 80 yards in 21 carries against Illinois Wesleyan is not a bad performance when you consider the fact that he gets no help from his offensive line. And that's the heart of the matter: Evaluating a RB is very difficult when he has such poor blocking in front of him every game. If Scott Pethtel can upgrade NPU's O-line (which I think is step #1 towards building any football team), then West might pan out to be a fine CCIW running back. But we'll never know as long as NPU's O-line isn't giving him the chance.

[Gregory Sager]

Also, thanks for clarifying the NCC game vs Carthage is in Naperville. The Cardinal's first CCIW championship is theirs to lose.

It would not be the Cardinals first CCIW Championship, but the first since 1960.

1960
North Central 4-1-0
Illinois Wesleyan 3-2-0
Millikin 3-2-0
Carroll 1-2-2
Augustana 1-3-1
Lake Forest 1-3-1

I believe this could be the first CCIW championship.  Wasn't the conference only the CCI back then? 

Carroll joined the CCI (and thus turned it into the CCIW) in 1956. Wheaton won the first championship with a Wisconsin school competing in the circuit, as the Crusaders went 7-0 in '56. However, as another poster pointed out, the CCI and CCIW have a continuous existence and are not recognized as different leagues. Same league, different name (and different initials).

Incidentally, although the CCIW began operation in 1946, it wasn't until 1955 that the league played a full round-robin schedule in football. I don't know why it took the league so long to require that every team play every other team, but I note it because I'm a big believer in the idea that round-robin scheduling brings full legitimacy to a conference title when the conference is small enough for a round-robin to be possible. I take a dim view of leagues such as the Big Ten where there are gaps in the schedule, especially since it's possible to play a full round-robin among that league's eleven teams. I understand why they don't ($$$), but it still detracts from the competitive legitimacy of the league.

[CardinalAlum]

GS,

You are the man!!!

[redman04]

WITH EVERYTHING TURNED AROUND, THAT REDMEN LOSS TO ELMHURST REALLY STINGS NOW!  NOT THAT THE REDMEN HAVE AN EASY END TO THE SEASON BY ANY MEANS, BUT 1 LOSS TO AUGIE WOULD HAVE SURE PUT THEM IN A BETTER SPOT THEN TWO LOSSES.  I REALLY HOPE THEY BRING THEIR A GAME AGAINST WHEATON THIS WEEKEND.  IF THEY PLAY WELL THEY CAN BEAT THE WHEATIES, BUT I STRESS THAT THEY MUST PLAY WELL.  WHEATON IS NOT A TEAM THAT YOU CAN MAKE A BUNCH OF MISTAKES AGAINST AND STILL EXPECT TO WIN!  HOW GREAT WOULD THE SPOILER ROLE BE!  CARTHAGE COULD CAUSE A FOUR WAY TIME AND STILL COME OUT WITH A SHARE IN THE CCIW TITLE. SURE WOULD MAKE FOR AN INTERESTING END!

I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE GAME THIS WEEKEND! 
FOR ALL YOU WHEATIES THAT MAY BE MAKING THE TRIP UP TO KENOSHA, I RECOMMEND STOPPING AT "THE SPOT" DRIVE IN.  BEST BURGERS IN TOWN!!! I AM SURE THE OTHER CARTHAGE PEOPLE WILL BACK ME ON THAT ONE!

[Redmen96]

MMM "THE SPOT"  I have been back to visit K town a few times since going back to New York and every time I get excited to go to THE SPOT but so many other things come up that I never make it.  That makes my trip unsatisfactory. 

[matblake]

Mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmmmmmmmmmmm.  This crow tastes great!  Congrats to NCC.  They sure made me eat my words.  Sounds as if this would be the game tape to send for all american status for Kniss (as if there is any doubt.....)  Anyway, now that the cards have turned everything all topsy turvy I guess that I will be a Millikin Fan in 2 weeks.  What an exciting time to be in the CCIW. 

[matblake]

Against the Vikings, particularly now that their offense has seemed to get on track, you need to dominate the entire game.  Wheaton had several defensive miscues that Augustana had the talent and know how to capitalize on.  North Central cannot simply play hot and cold and expect to win this game, and that is basically all we have seen from the Cardinals this year.

mb,

i am not saying you are wrong but why would you say this given the fact that augie dominated most of the game vs wheaton and wheaton still could have one with 1 more possession. this argues against your point.

I think ncc has the ability to stay close and then put together a streaky quarter or half and win handily. I picked ncc by 10+ because I think the ncc offense is more consistent than any other they have faced and I think the ncc defense will be adequately prepared for the 1 dimensional augie offense. I do not think the passing game for augie will be a factor in the game.

I guess it comes from my belief that Wheaton is better than North Central, particularly on the defensive side of the ball.  I also think that Wheaton is better than Augustana, but Augustana did what they needed to do to win.  Good programs like Augie win games if they execute their gameplan.  Granted, Kniss is amazing, and can get a good streak going at the drop of a hat, I just believe that NC is lacking the consistency to beat Augie at this point.  It is going to be interesting regardless.

Perhaps it is just because I am a debating lightweight   , but I don't understand why you would say Wheaton possibly needing only 1 more possesion to win negates my point about beating Augustana requires dominating them the whole game.  Wheaton certainly did not dominate on Guzman's 76 yard TD run.  Wheaton lost because they did not dominate Augie the entire game, even if the Thunder would have had the chance to win it at the end.

maybe i misunderstood but here is the arguement as I see it (correct me if I am wrong):

-you said "against the vikings you need to dominate the whole game" to beat them.
-I argued that's not true because wheaton did NOT dominate the game and clearly could have won even still. there are many example of Augie losing against teams that did not dominate. the best example is the 1999 loss to mt union. augie held the ball for 48 minutes to muc's 12. augie ran the ball for 300+ yds but muc won 33-24 i think. my point was that you DO NOT have to dominate augie the whole game and i would further argue that ncc does NOT have to do that either. if they are close in the second half, kniss can get it going for 2 or 3 possessions and ncc can win.

did I miss anything?

Gotcha.  And to add insult to my lack of intelligence in debate, you were right about the Cardinal victory.  Congrats to you and Mugsy for calling it, and all the others too that are sure to point out that I forgot them!   

[matblake]

Unbeknownst to me, they are familiar with the Carthage football team in Scotland:

The red men are often, wrongly, interpreted as being demons or devils. Far from being this they are a personification of the need in all of us to let loose and go wild just once in our lives. Their very reason for existence is simply to 'throw a spanner in the works', to divert the path of fate. But despite their best efforts, these random agents are always thwarted, often with comical results.

Check http://www.beltane.org/bestiary/red.html for further information.

[matblake]

More info from the above article:

At Samhuinn, having endured a summer of debauchery and merry making, the red men appear with deformations, walking sticks, blindness and clumsiness. 

[CardinalAlum]

I hope you guys read the IBC board strictly for the entertainment!  8)

[Mugsy]

Unbeknownst to me, they are familiar with the Carthage football team in Scotland:

The red men are often, wrongly, interpreted as being demons or devils. Far from being this they are a personification of the need in all of us to let loose and go wild just once in our lives. Their very reason for existence is simply to 'throw a spanner in the works', to divert the path of fate. But despite their best efforts, these random agents are always thwarted, often with comical results.

Check http://www.beltane.org/bestiary/red.html for further information.

K+ for you... I know I can count on you for fun reading with my 2nd cup of coffee on Monday morning.  This is great!

[Mugsy]

More info from the above article:

At Samhuinn, having endured a summer of debauchery and merry making, the red men appear with deformations, walking sticks, blindness and clumsiness. 

Here's hoping for "blindness and clumsiness" by the Red Men on Saturday.