FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Redmen96]

RedmenFB44 OH could I tell you some stories about Corbs that he wouldn't tell.   I think Redmen04 could confirm and tell stories of his own about him too.  Of course Eric would deny or change details to make himself look better.

[washdupcard]

Sorry for the delayed reaction, i've been out of town...

CONGRATS CARDS!  HUGE WIN!

Am i correct in assuming that point differential will determine the conference champ if all three remained tied?

[washdupcard]

nevermind...i read backwords and found the answer.

[usee]

Wheaton V Carthage:

This is the #1 offense (statistically) vs the #1 Defense. If you break those numbers down a few things stick out as keys to the game:

-carthage is #1 v the pass but #6 v run.
-wheaton has given up the fewest points all year on defense but they are statistically ranked #6
-carthage is #2 in takeaway/giveaway ratio at +8, Wheaton is -2 on the year.

To me the key to the game is wheaton's ability to run the ball v carthage and carthages ability to create turnovers. when this game is over these two factors will tell the story in my view. If wheaton takes care of the ball and runs effectively they will win easily. If carthage creates turnovers and stops the Wheaton run game, it will be a long day for the Thunder.

[Gregory Sager]

Please do not be a permanent Heidelberg or Hiram: NPU.

Heidelberg and Hiram each have more successful football histories than does NPU. Heidelberg has had a winning football season as recently as 1994, and in 1993 they actually finished in third place in the OAC with an 8-2 record -- and Mount Union went undefeated and won the national championship that year. The 'berg has had ten winning seasons since the last time the Park had one, including an undefeated 9-0 campaign in 1972.

Hiram's legacy is not quite as respectable, but the Terriers still managed to finish above .500 as recently as 1988. They made the D3 playoffs in '87, and won the PAC title the year before that. The Terriers can claim six winning seasons since NPU's one and only winning campaign in 1968.

I think it's more likely that in OAC and NCAC circles, fans beg Heidelberg and Hiram, "Please do not be a permanent NPU!"  

[joelmama]

Striker, listen, and you listen close: flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle, just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.

[joelmama]

All of these Airplane lines are great but the single best (should be well appreciated bythose form the Chicago area) is.............................................

Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD.

[Augie6]

In terms of parity, the CCIW has obviously improved as several teams have made strides over the past few years and have improved their programs.  This makes wins tougher to come by in conference.  However, I don't believe that this necessarily strengthens the Conference in terms of playoff performance and the opportunity to win a national championship.  Case in point is the WIAC.  Year after year, many people say this is a very tough conference and any team can beat another on any given Saturday.  However, the performance of the conference in the playoffs has, typically, not shown it to have dominant teams on a national basis (7-8 record since conference winners started receiving automatic bids).  The past couple of years, you have had a dominant team in this conference with UW Whitewater and they have become a national power.  Parity is great if you want an exciting regular season, but I don't think it helps the CCIW's national championship chances.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Please do not be a permanent Heidelberg or Hiram: NPU.

Heidelberg and Hiram each have more successful football histories than does NPU. Heidelberg has had a winning football season as recently as 1994, and in 1993 they actually finished in third place in the OAC with an 8-2 record -- and Mount Union went undefeated and won the national championship that year. The 'berg has had ten winning seasons since the last time the Park had one, including an undefeated 9-0 campaign in 1972.

Hiram's legacy is not quite as respectable, but the Terriers still managed to finish above .500 as recently as 1988. They made the D3 playoffs in '87, and won the PAC title the year before that. The Terriers can claim six winning seasons since NPU's one and only winning campaign in 1968.

I think it's more likely that in OAC and NCAC circles, fans beg Heidelberg and Hiram, "Please do not be a permanent NPU!"  

I'm sure glad you are so realistic - I was afraid I might be offending you (or other NPU supporters) with that comparison.  But I see reason to believe that the bottom of the CCIW may move up (hopefully not at the expense of IWU!), while I see no reason to believe that Heidi or Hiram will EVER move up.  (And that seems to be the situation at Oberlin, Wilmington, Muskingum, etc.)  NPU seems to finally be putting the resources into having a team that can compete in the CCIW - I've seen nothing on the boards to indicate that the bottom-dwellers of the NCAC or OAC are planning the same.

We may (or may not) ever reach the status of the OAC at the top end, but maybe we can reach (or at least approach) the status of the WIAC top-to-bottom.

[Augie6]

Jaybird,

In terms of being honest, a case can be made that there is more parity within the conference.  However, to say that there are 6 teams that have a  legitimate shot to win the CCIW is stretching it, IMO.  I'm assuming the 6 teams you are referring to are Augie, Wheaton, NCC, Elmhurst, Carthage and Millikin.  If you look at the CCIW records of these 6 teams since 2003, you can make a case for the first three, but it becomes much tougher for the second three.   CCIW records 2003 through 2006 are:

Augie                    22-4
Wheaton              21-5
NCC                      18-8
Carthage              14-12
Millikin                   11-15
Elmhurst                 9-17
IWU                        9-17
NPU                        0-26

Carthage had a great year in 2004, which helped out their overall record, but have fallen somewhat since then.  I don't see how you can make any case for Elmhurst, Millikin, IWU or North Park.  Yes, there are teams that have improved (NCC, Carthage, Elmhurst) while IWU and Millikin have gone backwards.  However, I don't think there is anything that supports the notion that there are six teams with legitimate shots to win the CCIW.  Maybe it will happen in the future, but it's not there yet. 

[RedmenFB44]

RedmenFB44 OH could I tell you some stories about Corbs that he wouldn't tell.   I think Redmen04 could confirm and tell stories of his own about him too.  Of course Eric would deny or change details to make himself look better.

Oh, im sure that you have pleanty of stories about Corbs. He was a blast as a coach and even more fun when the seniors were done playing their final year    Im sure you knew him as a player and we all know how football players are 

[Augie6]

TruAugieAlum,

I'm curious what you base your opinion on that there are several players, particularly offensive lineman, that should be playing at Augie but aren't.  The one thing you keep referring to is looking at the size of the players who are playing vs. those that aren't.  I can tell you from my experience at Augie that we had plenty of guys who looked more like football players than some of our starters, but their performance on the field didn't measure up to those who were playing.  In 1986, our offensive line was very small compared to prior year's teams, but they were able to dominate some very good defensive lines on our way to a 4th championship. 

We all get the fact that you don't like the coaching staff at Augie.  But you're not adding anything to this board by continuing to do nothing but rant about the coaches.  If you want to add a little more info about who you think should be playing and why, you'll probably get some good debate back from the posters on this board.  If not, then stop wasting yours and everyone else's time on posts that do nothing but portray Augie Alumni in a negative way.

[Mugsy]

The early and primary reason for the perspective that the CCIW is down a bit was the 15-9 non-conference record this year.  Actually that isn't too bad, but it is down from 21-3 last year.

[Mugsy]

"Just thought you should know, we're all counting on you."

[Mugsy]

I know this is a football site, and I'll get back on track, but K+ to all the Airplane quotes.  It had me bustin' a gut.