FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mugsy]

the only difference it makes to wheaton is if Augie loses, wheaton is the AQ and it takes any risk of not being selected as a pool C off the table. I think wheaton is in with a win either way but stranger things have happened to wheaton atheletic teams by ncaa committtees (bball??)

and football in 1988.

[dansand]

Dansand,

After the NCC game, did Augie make any huge changes in personnel or anything?

I wasn't at the North Park game, but I don't think so. The two-deep listed on their website prior to last week's game looked pretty much the same. I know other posters think differently, but I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater because of the North Central butt-kicking. Up until that game their offense, while not overwhelming, had made steady improvement during the CCIW portion of the schedule. I think this year they just don't quite have the horses that they have had in recent years, but they're the horses they have to play with. Despite what some others might say, I think a share of the league crown would be a nice accomplishment for this team.

I had heard that in the wheaton game, 2 augie starting defensive players went down for the year. not sure if that's true or not.

The only defensive starter that I know of that was lost for the year was soph linebacker Preston Jones (torn bicep, I think), but he was gone before the Wheaton game. Others have been in and out of the lineup at various times, but I think Jones was the only one out for practically the whole season.

[Tailgater]

Jaybird has mentioned  that 18 Seniors will be graduating from Elmhurst this season. Carthage has 24 seniors who will be graduating this year from their original freshman recruiting class of 70. When these guys were freshmen in 2003 there were only 7 seniors, 2004 had 11, 2005 had 19. The retention of players through 4 years has certainly moved in a possitive direction. I believe this also speaks volumns about the job Coach Rucks and his staff are doing on and off the field. Certainly the senior leadership will be missed, but if you recruit well their shoes will soon be filled with more than capable players. NCC is an example of that this season. They graduated many key players last year, but have regrouped quickly to battle for a conference championship this year. Give that credit to Coach Thorne and his staff.

[cardinaldad]

JB - Having 18 seniors says alot about Elmhurst's football program. NCC has not had nearly that many. Coach Thorne has always said that he needs 20 seniors to be a successful program. 18 sounds like a lot. I'll have to look through the season's programs of all the teams to see how many seniors other CCIW teams have. Interesting...........

I counted 12 seniors on the NCC roster, which seemed low to me considering it was Thorne's second recruiting class. I would think that a decent program would have 20-25 seniors. I imagine a program like NCC or EC brings in about 60 freshmen each year and you want to keep 1/3 of them for all four years for leadership and continuity.

I would say that this senior group is Thorne's first  actual recruiting class. DeGeorge did alot of recruiting after his final season before he was let go. I'm not sure that Thorne did alot of recruiting before his first season. I'm sure there was alot for him to do just coming in. DeGeorge probably had a big hand in last year's class.

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[cardinaldad]

JB - Having 18 seniors says alot about Elmhurst's football program. NCC has not had nearly that many. Coach Thorne has always said that he needs 20 seniors to be a successful program. 18 sounds like a lot. I'll have to look through the season's programs of all the teams to see how many seniors other CCIW teams have. Interesting...........

I counted 12 seniors on the NCC roster, which seemed low to me considering it was Thorne's second recruiting class. I would think that a decent program would have 20-25 seniors. I imagine a program like NCC or EC brings in about 60 freshmen each year and you want to keep 1/3 of them for all four years for leadership and continuity.

I would say that this senior group is Thorne's first  actual recruiting class. DeGeorge did alot of recruiting after his final season before he was let go. I'm not sure that Thorne did alot of recruiting before his first season. I'm sure there was alot for him to do just coming in. DeGeorge probably had a big hand in last year's class.

I believe there were only 9 seniors last year!

[Redmen96]

I believe Coach Rucks has done a great job keeping players.  I was in the last recruiting class before Coach Rucks came back to Carthage.  When I was a senior there were only four of us and two of that four were transfers.  Only one other player and myself were left from the original group.

[Redmen96]

This Rutgers game is great.  Well if you want to see Rutgers win it is.

[Redmen96]

Wow the birthplace of football comes up with a huge comeback win.  Did you guys see this game.

Go Scarlet Knights!

[WahooThunder]

Great game!  Too bad Rutgers still won't get the respect they deserve even though they shutout one of the best offenses in the country in the second half and Ray Rice showed why he should be one of the favorites for the Heisman.  It will be interesting to see what happens if they can pull off a miracle in Morgantown.  Thank God D-3 doesn't have a BCS.  Here's to a playoff system in D-1.  It's the only way we'll ever know how good the Rutgers, Oregons, Auburns, Utahs, etc. really are. 

[dansand]

Thank God D-3 doesn't have a BCS.  Here's to a playoff system in D-1.  It's the only way we'll ever know how good the Rutgers, Oregons, Auburns, Utahs, etc. really are. 

Amen. And +K for the newbie.

[CardinalAlum]

Great game!  Too bad Rutgers still won't get the respect they deserve even though they shutout one of the best offenses in the country in the second half and Ray Rice showed why he should be one of the favorites for the Heisman.  It will be interesting to see what happens if they can pull off a miracle in Morgantown.  Thank God D-3 doesn't have a BCS.  Here's to a playoff system in D-1.  It's the only way we'll ever know how good the Rutgers, Oregons, Auburns, Utahs, etc. really are. 

Welcome Wheatie newbie! 

[FormerCard]

Wow the birthplace of football comes up with a huge comeback win.  Did you guys see this game.

Go Scarlet Knights!

Phenomenal.  I dont think I have ever been more jacked for a team than I was for Rutgers last night.  Impressive defense and enough on offense.  They still have had an overall weak schedule this year, but if they win out (big game vs. WV on Dec 2), I think they get a BCS game.  They wont be in the title game, but a shot at a Notre dame or USC would be a great stepping stone for this program. 

Sunday will be here soon....and we will know the fate of the D3 playoffs

[ncc58]

Great game!  Too bad Rutgers still won't get the respect they deserve even though they shutout one of the best offenses in the country in the second half and Ray Rice showed why he should be one of the favorites for the Heisman.  It will be interesting to see what happens if they can pull off a miracle in Morgantown.  Thank God D-3 doesn't have a BCS.  Here's to a playoff system in D-1.  It's the only way we'll ever know how good the Rutgers, Oregons, Auburns, Utahs, etc. really are. 

At this point, The Big East is the IBC of Division I. We notice Rutgers achievement,  but Rutgers probably wouldn't get into a 8 team tournament (unless the Big East was awarded an AQ.) . We'll see where they are ranked after this weekend.

CUW had a great year in the IBC, but we're waiting to see if an IBC team can win a playoff game. If they can, the IBC champ will get more respect next year. A little more respect.

Same thing with Rutgers. We want to see if they can finish 12-0 and then beat a "name" opponent in a bowl. If they can, and especially if West Virginia and Louisville win their bowl games, the Big East will have earned more respect for the 2007 preseason polls.

[Mugsy]

Welcome Wheatie newbie! 

Welcome to another fellow Wheaton poster.  "Wheatie"... ?  ARRGGHHHH!  I dislike that term.

[WahooThunder]

Welcome Wheatie newbie! 

Welcome to another fellow Wheaton poster.  "Wheatie"... ?  ARRGGHHHH!  I dislike that term.

What?  You don't like being referred to as a type of breakfast cereal?  I'm eating some Wheaties right now and they're delicious, just like the new regional rankings.