FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[usee]

will certainly be the platform to that. for them they will see on film Cap vs. Baldwin wallace, muskingum and Mt Union.  those films will be very useful for NCC. Cap sees ncc vs carthage, IWU and Augie. I think only the carthage tape is any good. IWU will give them a feel for how NCC defends the spread formations. I expect some points to be put up in this game and turnovers will be key. If NCC can get to pentello with their front 4 they will win. If ncc has to blitz I think they are dead because pentello is too good. I think the same is true for Cap vs Kniss. the other key will be NCC's ability to run the ball. If NCC wins, Sulo is as likely a reason why as kniss.

I'll disagree with part of usee's comments. I think the Augie film will be very important, especially since NCC kept the ball for most of the first half. The NCC offense was clicking from play 1 with extreme short pass precision and a strong running game. The 26 play drive that consumed a lot of the clock early in the game should be important to Capital. That tape would convince Capital that NCC has developed a crisp, short passing game from the spread formation. Then, you take two plays from the Carthage game --- 30+ yard passes to Welch and Stuedemann TDS to prove that NCC can go down field as well. Last year, NCC had more of a downfield passing attack.

The Carthage film will also show NCC's vulnerability on punts.

In the IWU game, Ceisel was able to make a couple big plays. Capital might be able to see where he exposed the NCC defense.

The CUW tape would have been interesting. Jeff Thorne has some pet plays that he just loves, going back to his days at Wheaton Warrenville High School. However, the CCIW have caught up to Jeff and taken those plays away. He went back to some of those plays last week, and we could them again this weekend.

Of course Cap will get the benefit of seeing NCC's offense. the point is that when you get an Augie tape seeing the Wing T defended makes the tape useless for Cap's offensive coaches.

[Redmen96]

I hope all had a happy Thanksgiving.

[79jaybird]

Hope everybody is digesting the great food and great times this special day.  God's blessings to all.

Awhile back there was the topic of name changes from Wheaton Crusaders to Wheaton Thunder.  When I started at Elmhurst (1998) Wheaton was still the Crusaders, so it was some time between 1998-2002.

You will find THIS interesting. Elmhurst College has NOT always been known as the Bluejays.  Originally their Mascot was  GOLDENROD!  (EEK!  )  Thank goodness somebody changed it to Bluejays!  I couldn't imagine calling on the air  "Looking into the endzone for Young, Touchdown GOLDENRODS!"  Oh gosh, that would not fly.  (no pun intended)

Thunder is a good nickname. The name implies power, grace, and is found in nature in almost all parts of the world, so it is not offensive to anyone.

[Gregory Sager]

For what it's worth (which in this case probably isn't even two cents), I like your "Thunder" mascot.  It's unique and denotes great power.  Well chosen.

No, it's not unique. MIAA member Tri-State University's teams are also called the Thunder.

[Superfoot Wallace]

With Joe here getting you the ball in our Thunder right Thunder left...

Hell.

Pardon me Reverend....

You could be an all american by your sophomore year.

[Gregory Sager]

It has only recently become a hated rivalry because of the success of both schools. thats my impression.

Do you really feel it has become a "hated rivalry"?

Perhaps usee meant "heated rivalry" rather than "hated rivalry".

What horrified me more that anything were the final 10 options on a replacement mascot.  There was a period of time where alum and students could submit and nominate some options.  On the final list of 10 there were some absolutely horrible options, that if selected might have caused me to break all affiliation with the school.     I don't remember them all, but the one that stuck out the most was the Cherubs!  AHHHHHHHHH!

Can you imagine?  "And now taking the field, welcome your Wheaton College Singing Cherubs"  Followed by 10 minutes of rolling laughter...

Mugsy, you cannot imagine how badly those of us Parkers who were following the Wheaton nickname saga wanted to see our archrivals become the Cherubs! It would've been the equivalent of having Wheaton College unilaterally declare that all of its men's athletic teams would henceforth wear tutus and ballet slippers as part of their uniforms. In terms of student-section banter for NPU's Carlson Crazies, it would've been like shooting fish in a barrel.

Then again, having to endure such a horrific nickname might've spurred on Wheaton's athletic teams to greater success out of sheer anger, a la the Johnny Cash song, "A Boy Named Sue".

[nccsports891]

Bring on the negative karma, but don't forget www.wonc.org is the place where you can hear NCC football at Capital tomorrow at 11 AM Central time. Thanks

[usee]

It has only recently become a hated rivalry because of the success of both schools. thats my impression.

Do you really feel it has become a "hated rivalry"?

Perhaps usee meant "heated rivalry" rather than "hated rivalry".

Gregory,

that's exactly what I meant! I forgot the "e". I heat it when that happens.

[usee]

Another interesting point on the Bell series:

In the JR Bishop/Mike Swider era of 25 seasons (1982-2006), Wheaton has had the bell 21 of those 24 years. Of the 4 losses to NCC ('82, '87, '97, '05) the first 3 of those were during the only years in that stretch Wheaton had a losing record. In other words, 2005 was the first time in 25 years NCC has a victory in the bell game when wheaton had a winning record. (for you history enthusiasts 7 of the 14 bell victories by ncc were over wheaton teams w winning records).

So that's another reason this rivlary is "heating" up. Wheaton had always won when they were good. These teams are playing this game when it means something for both.  That makes a possible rematch next weekend in Wheaton all the more intense even if its improbable.

[Gregory Sager]

that's exactly what I meant! I forgot the "e". I heat it when that happens.

LOL!

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Easiest route is to take:
77 South to Canton, OH
62 East to Alliance, OH
Take the State St. Exit off of 62 and head East for a few miles.  College will be on your Left.  (Corner of State St. and Union Ave.)

Another route is:
14 South/East to Edinburg, OH
183 South to Alliance, OH  College will be on your right.  (Corner of State St. and Union Ave.)

Safe Travels!

[TitanBacker]

With Joe here getting you the ball in our Thunder right Thunder left...

Hell.

Pardon me Reverend....

You could be an all american by your sophomore year.

The Program.  Fantastic movie. 

Darnell Jefferson: Hey man, what happened to the band and the dancin' hunnies and all that?

Joe Kane:  Well, we recruited you, we dont' need that any more.

Bud "Light" Kaminski: Now you're just another worm s*** freshman.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Put the women and children to bed and go looking for f***ing dinner!

[keil59]

Kill 'em all let the paramedics sorte 'em out

[79jaybird]

Right about now the Thunder are on a bus to Alliance.  I was told they would be boarding the bus for their 8 hour trip at 8 o'clock this morning.  I hope we can be talking about 2 CCIW wins over the OAC by Sunday.

Just because 1 team of a rivalry hasn't been winning and/or hasn't fared too well of late, doesn't minimize the rivalry.  For example, the Old Oaken Bucket. (Purdue/Indiana)  IU has not had a good football team in a LONG time, but the Bucket is still cherished, along with a mutual dislike for their opponent on both sides.  I think the Little Brass Bell is a great rivalry trophy between the always good Wheaton and the recently good NC.