FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[NCC_alum62]

Does the picture on the front page look like those kids have no idea whats going on during the game?  I mean no group is paying attention to any one thing on the field...maybe its warmup or something but it looks like my high school JV kids standing around gabbing while the gameis going on...

[Mugsy]

Does the picture on the front page look like those kids have no idea whats going on during the game?  I mean no group is paying attention to any one thing on the field...maybe its warmup or something but it looks like my high school JV kids standing around gabbing while the gameis going on...

In attempt to "head it off at the pass"...

usee & CardinalAlum,

No, I'm not in that picture.

[thunderdog]

Just found out last night that a fellow I went to high school with played at Wheaton for four years (second hand knowledge.)
His name was Clark King and he passed away recently. I see the combined record for Wheaton while he was there was 7-21-1. I say he should have gone to LINFIELD.

Won't know if anyone remembers him, but I do.

D.O.C

Somewhere along the line, you received some faulty information.

I don't claim to know every player who has past through Wheaton recently, but I don't recall any Clark King.  (The only "King" who comes to mind is Andrew King who was a fine receiver).  But Wheaton hasn't posted an awful 4 year record like 7-21-1 in probably 30 years (if ever... I don't feel like looking it up).

So either Clark King went to a different Wheaton (I know there is one in Mass, but I don't know if they even have football) or Clark King attended a different school.

[Mugsy]

Just found out last night that a fellow I went to high school with played at Wheaton for four years (second hand knowledge.)
His name was Clark King and he passed away recently. I see the combined record for Wheaton while he was there was 7-21-1. I say he should have gone to LINFIELD.

Won't know if anyone remembers him, but I do.

D.O.C

Somewhere along the line, you received some faulty information.

I don't claim to know every player who has past through Wheaton recently, but I don't recall any Clark King.  (The only "King" who comes to mind is Andrew King who was a fine receiver).  But Wheaton hasn't posted an awful 4 year record like 7-21-1 in probably 30 years (if ever... I don't feel like looking it up).

So either Clark King went to a different Wheaton (I know there is one in Mass, but I don't know if they even have football) or Clark King attended a different school.

thunderdog,

For what it's worth, Wheaton as virtually every school in existence, has had some awful 4 year stretches.  Here are a few:

1969-1972: 6-29-1
1970-1973: 5-30-1
1979-1982: 7-29-0

To find a similar nightmare stretch earlier that these, you'd need to go back to the 1940's and 1930's.  Even then it wasn't as bad as the above 4 year durations.

In addition, D.O.C did not include the years he played football in high school in the context of his post.  So it is feasible it was from one of the era's above... I guess.

[NCC_alum62]

Does the picture on the front page look like those kids have no idea whats going on during the game?  I mean no group is paying attention to any one thing on the field...maybe its warmup or something but it looks like my high school JV kids standing around gabbing while the gameis going on...

In attempt to "head it off at the pass"...

usee & CardinalAlum,

No, I'm not in that picture.

I'm sure they would never (is there a way to type innocent and naive??) 

[D O.C.]

Gentlemen, thank-you. My inquiry was a long shot for it indeed would have been 1968-1972.
It seemed unusual that a Southern California kid went back to a small school in Illinois. I did not even know he did until I heard of his demise.

[Mugsy]

Gentlemen, thank-you. My inquiry was a long shot for it indeed would have been 1968-1972.
It seemed unusual that a Southern California kid went back to a small school in Illinois. I did not even know he did until I heard of his demise.

Yes, for many it does seem a bit odd to come to a small, private, liberal-arts college in Wheaton, all the way from California.  We (I) have posted the numbers here before, but a staggering percentage of Wheaton students come from all over the nation and world.  Since you may not be aware of this fact, all you need to do is look at their football roster.  Players are from all over the country... quite unique.

http://www.wheaton.edu/Athletics/football/index.html

[Gregory Sager]

Unique by CCIW football standards, of course, but hardly unique within the world of D3 football. Many UAA and NESCAC gridiron rosters, as well as those of schools with highly specific constituencies such as Gallaudet and Principia, are similar in their coast-to-coast flavor.

[Mugsy]

Unique by CCIW football standards, of course, but hardly unique within the world of D3 football. Many UAA and NESCAC gridiron rosters, as well as those of schools with highly specific constituencies such as Gallaudet and Principia, are similar in their coast-to-coast flavor.

Yes... I didn't mean to sound "so exclusive".  You are absolutely correct about a number of other D3 schools.

[Titanwatcher]

Gentlemen, thank-you. My inquiry was a long shot for it indeed would have been 1968-1972.
It seemed unusual that a Southern California kid went back to a small school in Illinois. I did not even know he did until I heard of his demise.

Yes, for many it does seem a bit odd to come to a small, private, liberal-arts college in Wheaton, all the way from California.  We (I) have posted the numbers here before, but a staggering percentage of Wheaton students come from all over the nation and world.  Since you may not be aware of this fact, all you need to do is look at their football roster.  Players are from all over the country... quite unique.

http://www.wheaton.edu/Athletics/football/index.html

Mugsy, I love the way you represent fpr your school, but if you look at the time frame in the message above, Do you think your statement would be applicable? Recruiting on a national level as Swider does, " If i want fast kids I don't look for them here in Illinois" I don't think was done in D3 in the late sixties eaarly seventies.

[79jaybird]

April-- in regards to baseball I have a few puns as my team (Chicago Cubs) have had a bad century.
CUBS-  C completely U- useless B- by S September
WGN- literally World's Greatest Newspaper  jokingly  W we're G going N nowhere

This past week's 70 degrees in Chicago was a welcome relief, only to have snow flurries by the next day! 

NCC Alum62-  I agree that Benedictine and Coach Cooper's Staff are putting the foundation down in Lisle, but I disagree that they are at the CCIW competitive level.    They did put it together towards the midway point of the season and mount some IBFC wins.
I think Olivet is my preseason MIAA pick (sorry formerd3db  ) because the Olivet Team I saw last year was physical, strong, and quick, with a bunch of young guys.  Anything can happen any (well you know how to finish this tag line)

[Mugsy]

Gentlemen, thank-you. My inquiry was a long shot for it indeed would have been 1968-1972.
It seemed unusual that a Southern California kid went back to a small school in Illinois. I did not even know he did until I heard of his demise.

Yes, for many it does seem a bit odd to come to a small, private, liberal-arts college in Wheaton, all the way from California.  We (I) have posted the numbers here before, but a staggering percentage of Wheaton students come from all over the nation and world.  Since you may not be aware of this fact, all you need to do is look at their football roster.  Players are from all over the country... quite unique.

http://www.wheaton.edu/Athletics/football/index.html

Mugsy, I love the way you represent fpr your school, but if you look at the time frame in the message above, Do you think your statement would be applicable? Recruiting on a national level as Swider does, " If i want fast kids I don't look for them here in Illinois" I don't think was done in D3 in the late sixties eaarly seventies.

Honestly I can't say one way or the other dating back to the 60's and early 70's.  It is true my comment was framed with a context of from the early 1980's to present.  That said my initial reaction to "I don't think it was done in D3 in the late sixties..."  How can you be so certain?  Without more information neither of us can say for certain, yet...

What I do have some level of confidence is that the overall makeup of the student body (in terms of geography) hasn't changed too much.  From what I can tell, Wheaton has almost always had students orginating from a very broad spectrum of states and countries. 

Coach Swiders recruiting has NOT been more national than Coach Bishop.  It may be true that Coach Swider has focused on certain areas of the country more, like Texas, Florida and California.  What most outside Wheaton football don't know is that historically the Wheaton coaches have relied heavily on the football alums all over the country to pass on names of local high school athletes that would fit what Wheaton is looking for.  That is in part why so many players come from all over the country - in fact a few years back Wheaton had a player from Papau New Guinea (a missionary kid).

I can't say with certainty for the coaches preceeding Coach Bishop, but I'll try to see if I can find historical data to indicate one way or the other.

[NCC_alum62]

April-- in regards to baseball I have a few puns as my team (Chicago Cubs) have had a bad century.
CUBS-  C completely U- useless B- by S September
WGN- literally World's Greatest Newspaper  jokingly  W we're G going N nowhere

This past week's 70 degrees in Chicago was a welcome relief, only to have snow flurries by the next day! 

NCC Alum62-  I agree that Benedictine and Coach Cooper's Staff are putting the foundation down in Lisle, but I disagree that they are at the CCIW competitive level.    They did put it together towards the midway point of the season and mount some IBFC wins.
I think Olivet is my preseason MIAA pick (sorry formerd3db  ) because the Olivet Team I saw last year was physical, strong, and quick, with a bunch of young guys.  Anything can happen any (well you know how to finish this tag line)

Oh definetly not CCIW competition yet, I agree, I think they should easily beat BU this year again. I just never want to count a team out...the whole any given saturday...I'll finish that tag line .  I think BU is approaching the point NCC did in Thorne's first year.  They're not there yet, but in terms of turning things around and from the improved play hopefully changing attitudes as well they are making that approach.  Only next season will tell.

[79jaybird]

NCCAlum62- yes, and Elmhurst was at that point just a few years ago when Journell took office.  Building up a winning program is difficult.  More to the point, a consistent, annually strong program is difficult.  Look at Carthage who had that great year a few years ago, but struggled to keep it at that level for the next year(s).  I am curious to see how North Central does this year in the post-Kniss era.  I think the Cards have a great back in Sulo and their lines seem to be strong.  Losing an All-American, and especially at QB is a huge void to half to replace.

[NCC_alum62]

NCCAlum62- yes, and Elmhurst was at that point just a few years ago when Journell took office.  Building up a winning program is difficult.  More to the point, a consistent, annually strong program is difficult.  Look at Carthage who had that great year a few years ago, but struggled to keep it at that level for the next year(s).  I am curious to see how North Central does this year in the post-Kniss era.  I think the Cards have a great back in Sulo and their lines seem to be strong.  Losing an All-American, and especially at QB is a huge void to half to replace.

I think they're going to have to lean on a running game that they have not had to lean on since Kam arrived on campus, I'm hoping they have done a good job recruiting QB's the last year or so to get a good replacement available. I mean I've haven't seen another besides Kam since Adam Duer at the end of Thorne's first season.  I think there will be some struggles, but they return alot of talent its ture. I'm excited to see what they will do. I think they're going to have to do alot of effective gameplanning if they hope to repeart as conference Champs...that being said I think we all know how Thorne feels about loosing...he hates it more than he likes winning. He wasn't satisfied with 6 and 7 win seasons and he let us know that. He will do everything as a coach to keep the Cards successfull