FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[matblake]

You didn't post the 1999 score
Elmhurst 22 
Wheaton 16   

While Wheaton has had the better play of late, there was a time 70-80's where Elmhurst had Wheaton's number.   In fact, Coach Peltz's squads never beat Elmhurst in their 4 years. 

According to the Wheaton Football Yearbook from 2006, Wheaton's overall series with Elmhurst was 48-19-6.  If you factor in this years win that makes it 49-19-6 or a 62.8 winning percentage. 

[NCC_alum62]

Just a comment about school enrollments. As I understand it, even though the WIAC schools may have enrollments in the  3,4,5 +thousand,  their league restricts them to 100 players on their squads.

The potential student athlete would have to hope the coach is frank with him on his chances on making their team and how soon he might play. If he is not happy with those answers he could have any of the other WIAC schools to choose from and have the opportunity to play sooner. That alone would spread the talent around the league if they are planning to play at one of the Wisconsin schools.

I thing it will be interesting to track the progress of the new O coordinator at River Falls since he came from WW this year. He was a good recruiter for WW and will certainly be looking to get the best kids he can for his new team. He certainly has one date circled on his calendar already!

River Falls plays St John's in the second game of the season so it will be interesting to see the early results.

St John's also plays Marietta from the OAC in their home opener in Sept.

I didn't even think about the 100 player roster...do they have a try-out and cut system in fall camp? Or do they simply only invite 100 people to camp every fall?

They accommodate whatever number shows up the first day of camp in August, work them all out and then cut to 100 at the end of the camp about a week before the first game.  UWW usually sees between 120 and 150 players show up every year.  It varies, of course, from school to school.  So, yes, it is a try-out and cut system.

I don't really see a disadvantage to this over other schools that basically have about 100 kids in camp anyway.  In fact they get the best 100 that come into camp  and there is more competition for spots so kids have to work harder or be more talented to make it.

[raiderguy]

NCC

I don't think it is a disadvantage either. I used to be from the school of thought that because WIAC schools had 5000 in the student body it gave the schools some advantage. If the restrictions are as stated they are still on a similar playing field as other D3 schools.

Then it comes down to the coaching staff and the record the school presents. The better the coach or record the better the player that wants to play there. Or the harder they may be willing to work to achieve success.

MUC is a great school........... but I doubt it is the driving force behind their success on the football field.

However LK is a lot prouder of his student athlete graduation rate compared to his winning percentage on the field.

[diehardfan]

You didn't post the 1999 score
Elmhurst 22 
Wheaton 16   

That was before my time... I only went to home games my freshman year since I didn't have a car. My apologies. You did, in fact, barely win a game seven years ago. 

Let's do a tally of the Wheaton record against Elmhurst since Coach Swider started coaching. The 2007 season will be Coach Swider's 23rd. (Bolded are his head coaching years, italicized are the games that Elmhurst has won.):

2006 = 34-0
2005 = 24-7
2004 = 56-6
2003 = 23-19
2002 = 62-7
2001 = 48-14
2000 = 28-24
1999 = 16-22
1998 = 44-6
1997 = 59-20

1996 = 43-0
1995 = 42-0
1994 = 40-19
1993 = 49-32
1992 = 30-6
1991 = 55-20
1990 = 47-21
1989 = 28-7
1988 = 26-0
1987 = 14-31

1986 = 17-0
1985 = 49-15

Cumulative score = 834-276

Basically Elmhurst has won just 9.1% of their games against us in the last 22 years. We beat you by an average of 25.4 points. It took us 8 years to score more than you scored in 22. And in 5 of the games (or 22.7% of the games), you went scoreless. Any questions? 8)

[diehardfan]

Sorry, CCIW posters. Didn't mean to put so much focus on another conference on here.  Carry on!  8)

Hey, it's actual discussion about DIII football during the offseason.... I'm supposed to mind why? It's an honor to have posters from two great programs on our board discussing DIII football. Even if it's not all about us at this particular second, it's interesting information.

However LK is a lot prouder of his student athlete graduation rate compared to his winning percentage on the field.

Amen! That's what it's all about.

[Mugsy]

You didn't post the 1999 score
Elmhurst 22 
Wheaton 16   

While Wheaton has had the better play of late, there was a time 70-80's where Elmhurst had Wheaton's number.   In fact, Coach Peltz's squads never beat Elmhurst in their 4 years. 
I was surprised at those baseball scores that DO look more like a football tally than a baseball score.  Poor guys ERA's must be soaring.

I don't recall a game against Elmhurst in 1999. 

Incidently in the mid-to-late 70's and early 80's, everybody except North Park had Wheaton's number.  Afraid that is not saying much...

Elmhurst did have some fantastic teams in the Bob Beck era.

I didn't mean to spark such a lengthy thread here on the history of Wheaton vs. Elmhurst.  I was just meaning to poke fun at the lack of pitching in recent CCIW baseball games.

[NCC_alum62]

You didn't post the 1999 score
Elmhurst 22 
Wheaton 16   

That was before my time... I only went to home games my freshman year since I didn't have a car. My apologies. You did, in fact, barely win a game seven years ago. 

Let's do a tally of the Wheaton record against Elmhurst since Coach Swider started coaching. The 2007 season will be Coach Swider's 23rd. (Bolded are his head coaching years, italicized are the games that Elmhurst has won.):

2006 = 34-0
2005 = 24-7
2004 = 56-6
2003 = 23-19
2002 = 62-7
2001 = 48-14
2000 = 28-24
1999 = 16-22
1998 = 44-6
1997 = 59-20

1996 = 43-0
1995 = 42-0
1994 = 40-19
1993 = 49-32
1992 = 30-6
1991 = 55-20
1990 = 47-21
1989 = 28-7
1988 = 26-0
1987 = 14-31

1986 = 17-0
1985 = 49-15

Cumulative score = 834-276

Basically Elmhurst has won just 9.1% of their games against us in the last 22 years. We beat you by an average of 25.4 points. It took us 8 years to score more than you scored in 22. And in 5 of the games (or 22.7% of the games), you went scoreless. Any questions? 8)

Ouch...

This is why when I boast about NCC I keep to the last four years...

[CardinalAlum]

Elmhurst did have some fantastic teams in the Bob Beck era.

I don't know about BOB, but TOM Beck had some fantastic teams at Elmhurst!! 

YESS!!!! Got Him!!!! 8)

[CardinalAlum]

I was just meaning to poke fun at the lack of pitching in recent CCIW baseball games.

Lately, there has been a lack of baseball in recent NCC baseball seasons!!   

[Pat Coleman]

However LK is a lot prouder of his student athlete graduation rate compared to his winning percentage on the field.

Amen! That's what it's all about.

Though they are similar.

[matblake]

I didn't mean to spark such a lengthy thread here on the history of Wheaton vs. Elmhurst.  I was just meaning to poke fun at the lack of pitching in recent CCIW baseball games.

jaybird is a good guy, I'm sure he knows it's good natured ribbing.  Besides, it doesn't take much effort to see that most teams in the CCIW have experienced ups and downs.  

I decided to try and find out the overall won-loss records for each team currently in the CCIW.  Of the conference schools, I could only find cumulative won-loss records for Wheaton, Carthage, and IWU at each school's website.  Most schools did have a season by season listing of won-loss records, but they weren't tallied up at the end.   I like the people in this room, but not enough to add up the won loss records for the remaining 5 teams for like 90 years or so.  I'm also pretty sure I could have missed one along the way.

Wheaton 391-316-29  (www.wheaton.edu/athletics has up until 2003 listed so I just added on the records from 04, 05 & 06)

Carthage 423-400-44 (http://www2.carthage.edu/athletics/mens/football/yrbyyr.html)

IWU 504-378-42 (http://www.iwu.edu/~iwunews/sports/All-TimeFBScores.pdf has up until 2002 listed so I just added on the records from 03, 04, 05 & 06)

Anybody have any idea for Augustana, North Park, Millikin, Elmhurst, and North Central?

[79jaybird]

Hehe,  we have WWII between Elmhurst and Wheaton!  
No, I think those of you who know me (Dan Studebaker, Wheaton Coaching Staff, etc.) know that I have the utmost respect for Wheaton and think highly of their program.  
I know Elmhurst hasn't had the best of luck against Wheaton and Augie the last few years.  I think that is one of the Bluejays' goals is to beat these 2 clubs.

Yes, it is Tom Beck and he was a great coach.  Some of his teams hold some/most of Elmhurst offensive records.  Not to play the devil's advocate, but that was 27-28 years ago,  back when I was just a young pup!
I was on the team in 1999 and that was a special moment for us in blue.  We struggled through such a difficult year, that beating Wheaton was very exciting.

Last thing on Wheaton...  Augie has a winning record against everybody EXCEPT IWU, of which they are closing that gap.  Wheaton is closing the gap between Augie/Wheaton.  Nobody else is really that close, but that is good for the Thunder to be zeroing in on Augie in the overall matchup.  
I think Coach Swider has Coach Barnes' number and I think he will increase his mark this year also.  

[79jaybird]

1920's  EC 33  OPP  44  6 TIES 
1930'S EC 31 OPP 38 6 TIES 
1940'S  EC 15 OPP 53 4 TIES
1950'S EC 16 OPP 61 2 TIES
1960'S EC 36 OPP 43 2 TIES
1970'S EC 44 OPP 46
1980'S EC 50 OPP 39 1 TIE 
1990'S EC 18 OPP 70 2 TIES
2000'S EC 35 OPP 45 

As with most teams, there have been good decades and bad decades.
50's Wheaton
70's Carthage
80's Augie
are your basic dynasties.

[football2007]

Just curious, are there any big rivalries that stand out in the conference? 

[matblake]

Just curious, are there any big rivalries that stand out in the conference? 

A big conference rivalry is Wheaton/North Central, the two schools are quite close in proximity to each other.  They play for the Little Brass Bell every year.  Find out more here http://www.wheaton.edu/Athletics/football/Yearbook.pdf (page 38) and here http://www.noctrl.edu/x19104.xml