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[NCC_alum62]

RE: The above post

alum 62-----

OB---Is it presumed Kyle Kniss will automatically be the starter? What about the chances of Knapczyk & Fanthorpe?

WR--Seems like you could also put MacIntosh in the "good" category?----42 receptions and 5 tds after, I believe, converting from a QB his freshman season.

Lets get real here... 4 years ago Kam came in and returning for the Cardinals was Adam Duerr.  A kid who came in and played his but off in 02-03 (he started the year as 3rd string and through injuries to two QB's in front was thrust into the starting job, he won a couple and we lost a couple.  He was the clear number two going into fall camp.  Kam came in as a freshman and had the job. Granted he was exceptional as a freshman, but Duerr only played when Kam was hurt.

I'm just putting the honesty out there that NCC has had returning QB's when a Kniss came to town before and there wasn't a question from the start of fall camp who the starter would be.

I'm not going to say that the other two guys don't have a chance...everyone technically has a chance, but unlike Wheaton, NCC's D-1 transfer doesn't have a returning starter to contend with.  I'd say that unless he can't grasp the playbook he is going to be number one on the depth chart.

Of course this is one guys opinion. I could be way off...I'm not a coach and I don't have any real connection with the school right now, just a fan with a theory

Also...my fault on Macintosh...he did have very good numbers....my memory slipped on that one...based on that I'd bump them to B-/B.  They'll need to gel over this summer with the QB's and we'll see who can step up in thier spread offense come next fall.

[NCC_alum62]

Wheaton grades (the views of this Wheaton fan are certainly not representative of other Wheaton fans)

QB: A ullrich coming back with a year of experience, a d1 arm and plenty of talent around him. poised for a MOP type year
RB: C not a clear picture. Hershey not fast but serviceable back. If Walker Smith or Brett jackson work out it could be a good group. Thornton will be really hard to replace. no clear cut Iso-blocking type FB. too many questions for a good grade here
WR: A-   Fossum is a 1st team guy coming back. Noah Dryer returns with plenty of experience. TE's jordan kemper and sundberg are athletic, can stretch the middle of the field and will catch some passes. Mark Bradley and 1 other guy (whose name escapes me but is fastet kid on the team) will provide plenty of depth for this talented group.
OL: B only because of Rowson. He is a 1st teamer coming back. 1 other returning starter w 3 spots up for competiton. many questions here.

DL: A    Best defensive lineman in the country is not alone. this front should be dominant.
LB: A    2 of 3 all conference players. all 3 return w toal coming back for his final year. these guys are playmakers
DB A-    could be one of the strengths of this team but uncertainty around ittersagen's injury. if he comes back strong this will be one dominant defensive football team. mckenney and woodward should be all conference type safeties.

Overall this team has holes at runningback and OLine. if underclassmen step up this team should have little problem running the regular season conference table and earning yet another visit to Alliance.

If a CCIW team runs the table and a team like Capital or ONU knocks off Mount for the first time in a few years then maybe Alliance could be comming to one of us.  That would be awesome.

But its unlikely considering how stack MU is going to be next year (many think that team will actually be better than this past years team and that is a scarey thought).

I wouldn't doubt Weaton reloading this year at thier "holy" (I couldn't resist) positions of OL and RB.  They'll bring in some good talent and they're usually a fairly deep team.  I still think they are going to have to play great football to beat us in Naperville next year so I'm not ready to crown thier butts just yet...thanks denny green

[Comet 14]

IMO Kyle Kniss will be the starter hands down. He is by far the best QB they have in camp. I would even go as far as to say that it would be true of most if not all the teams in the CCIW. He's got a great arm and a really good feel for the game.

[matblake]

My guess on the Kniss situation is that Fanthorpe/Knapczyk will be the starter at the beginning of the year.  Unless Kniss immediately proves that he is all conference material like his brother, I say that Fanthorpe/Knapczyk gets his chance as the starter.   Transfers are tricky thing sometimes and each transfer situation is unique, but I have no doubt that Thorne will handle this situation for the best of all his players and his team.

[usee]

IMO Kyle Kniss will be the starter hands down. He is by far the best QB they have in camp. I would even go as far as to say that it would be true of most if not all the teams in the CCIW. He's got a great arm and a really good feel for the game.

This is a strong statement. what do you have to back it up? i think i remember you saw the kniss boys in high school. have you seen every other CCIW qb on every roster? Let's see if he can start for his own team before we declare this kid a starter at every school.

[Comet 14]

usee- I started my post with IMO. You can agree or disagree with that. It doesn't bother me a bit. I have seen him play more than once and I have seen some other D-1 recruits play also and the fact that he was a D-1 recruit says an awful lot. I am pretty sure I don't have to see every player in the CCIW at any given position to have an opinion of who I think is a better player. Thank You.

[79jaybird]

The Kniss/Fanthorpe/Knapczyk debate is rather a waste of time right now.  That is why you play 3 non-conf. games first, to get squared away come conference time.  I think all 3 guys will get some PT in the first few games and come CCIW time,  there will be 1 Cardinal running the show. 

I don't like placing "grades" but I truly believe Wheaton has all the pieces in place to pitch a few shutouts this year.  The old slogan, "Good pitching beats good hitting" well- in our sport,  I think a team can thrive with just an ok--good offense, with a dominant and aggressive defense such as Wheaton's.  Last year, Wheaton's D-Line (which many/most were non-seniors) was the most dominant team I saw.

[79jaybird]

One other Elmhurst note and this is non-sport related, but our great President Dr. Bryant Cureton announced that this will be his final year.  I say great not just to "schmooze", but he is truly a great person and a great Bluejays' athletic supporter.  I just hope our new President will be equal to or better in terms of EC Athletics support.  We will miss Dr. Cureton.

[usee]

usee- I started my post with IMO. You can agree or disagree with that. It doesn't bother me a bit. I have seen him play more than once and I have seen some other D-1 recruits play also and the fact that he was a D-1 recruit says an awful lot. I am pretty sure I don't have to see every player in the CCIW at any given position to have an opinion of who I think is a better player. Thank You.

I didn't say i disagreed. i asked why you think this its true. you just gave me some of that information in this post, albeit with a little attitude (which i enjoy). Generally when you state an opinion it is formed by some basis in fact although increasingly i question whether this is true for your posts (back at ya). I also think that if you are going to say a player is better than every other CCIW QB you better have a pretty good idea what your talking about. You lose credibility on here pretty quickly when you make sweeping statements about a school you don't even follow.

Your assertion may indeed prove to be true but you state it like its a fact which I challenged. You can say whatever you want on here and state it as opinion but if you want to add to the discussion and get a response you should bring some backup points to discuss.

To that end I believe Ullrich will have a great year for Wheaton this year because he saw decent time at Northern 2 years ago and had significant action and a year of experience in the CCIW under his belt. Kniss sat the bench all last year at EIU after playing some the year before and comes in with no experience in NCC system or CCIW.  

[CardinalAlum]

The Kniss/Fanthorpe/Knapczyk debate is rather a waste of time right now.  That is why you play 3 non-conf. games first, to get squared away come conference time.  I think all 3 guys will get some PT in the first few games and come CCIW time,  there will be 1 Cardinal running the show. 

No chance that 3 guys get playing time in non-conference games.  There will be a starter before the opener and the starter will play all non-conference games.  IMHO, of course.

[Titanwatcher]

usee- I started my post with IMO. You can agree or disagree with that. It doesn't bother me a bit. I have seen him play more than once and I have seen some other D-1 recruits play also and the fact that he was a D-1 recruit says an awful lot. I am pretty sure I don't have to see every player in the CCIW at any given position to have an opinion of who I think is a better player. Thank You.

I didn't say i disagreed. i asked why you think this its true. you just gave me some of that information in this post, albeit with a little attitude (which i enjoy). Generally when you state an opinion it is formed by some basis in fact although increasingly i question whether this is true for your posts (back at ya). I also think that if you are going to say a player is better than every other CCIW QB you better have a pretty good idea what your talking about. You lose credibility on here pretty quickly when you make sweeping statements about a school you don't even follow.

Your assertion may indeed prove to be true but you state it like its a fact which I challenged. You can say whatever you want on here and state it as opinion but if you want to add to the discussion and get a response you should bring some backup points to discuss.

To that end I believe Ullrich will have a great year for Wheaton this year because he saw decent time at Northern 2 years ago and had significant action and a year of experience in the CCIW under his belt. Kniss sat the bench all last year at EIU after playing some the year before and comes in with no experience in NCC system or CCIW.  

Unfortunately we now live in a society where "every opinion is as good as the next", therefore I don't have to support my opinion. Well  IMHO just because you are a DI recruit does not mean sh@t. how many kids have we seen who have been considered DI and never saw a whiff of the field, some never making it past their first year.so being a DI recruit does not say alot. the last petulant staement pretty much sums up this poster for me. this is the same guy who says that unless a 3&7 team improves its line play it will not bein the top four in the conference. That must have taken hours of film review to come up with that insight. There are many good posters who want to add to the discussion here, but IMHO this guy is shooting for his first ever all- conference nomination, by running up his post numbers with dreck like this. i just have to call bullsh!t when i see it.

[79jaybird]

Titanwatcher makes a good point, that really until a player steps on a d3 football field and executes/makes plays,  the rest of the accolades/talk is just that-TALK.

We had a few guys in HS that were big D-1 recruits while 2 of us (1 played for IWU too) were not recruited (above D-3) and just wanted to continue playing. Well, my buddy won the CCIW with IWU and we both played D-3 football.  The D-1 recruits went to their respective schools and quit prior to the opening game.  The point is that until they have success on the field, the rest of the talk, story, etc.  is meaningless.

[usee]

usee- I started my post with IMO. You can agree or disagree with that. It doesn't bother me a bit. I have seen him play more than once and I have seen some other D-1 recruits play also and the fact that he was a D-1 recruit says an awful lot. I am pretty sure I don't have to see every player in the CCIW at any given position to have an opinion of who I think is a better player. Thank You.

I didn't say i disagreed. i asked why you think this its true. you just gave me some of that information in this post, albeit with a little attitude (which i enjoy). Generally when you state an opinion it is formed by some basis in fact although increasingly i question whether this is true for your posts (back at ya). I also think that if you are going to say a player is better than every other CCIW QB you better have a pretty good idea what your talking about. You lose credibility on here pretty quickly when you make sweeping statements about a school you don't even follow.

Your assertion may indeed prove to be true but you state it like its a fact which I challenged. You can say whatever you want on here and state it as opinion but if you want to add to the discussion and get a response you should bring some backup points to discuss.

To that end I believe Ullrich will have a great year for Wheaton this year because he saw decent time at Northern 2 years ago and had significant action and a year of experience in the CCIW under his belt. Kniss sat the bench all last year at EIU after playing some the year before and comes in with no experience in NCC system or CCIW.  

Unfortunately we now live in a society where "every opinion is as good as the next", therefore I don't have to support my opinion. Well  IMHO just because you are a DI recruit does not mean sh@t. how many kids have we seen who have been considered DI and never saw a whiff of the field, some never making it past their first year.so being a DI recruit does not say alot. the last petulant staement pretty much sums up this poster for me. this is the same guy who says that unless a 3&7 team improves its line play it will not bein the top four in the conference. That must have taken hours of film review to come up with that insight. There are many good posters who want to add to the discussion here, but IMHO this guy is shooting for his first ever all- conference nomination, by running up his post numbers with dreck like this. i just have to call bullsh!t when i see it.

For the record I believe Titanwatcher is referring to Comet 14's post here not mine. Of course I could be wrong and am formulating a draft response just in case. 

[CardinalAlum]

For the record I believe Titanwatcher is referring to Comet 14's post here not mine. Of course I could be wrong and am formulatig a draft response just in case. 

Duly noted!   

[Titanwatcher]

usee- I started my post with IMO. You can agree or disagree with that. It doesn't bother me a bit. I have seen him play more than once and I have seen some other D-1 recruits play also and the fact that he was a D-1 recruit says an awful lot. I am pretty sure I don't have to see every player in the CCIW at any given position to have an opinion of who I think is a better player. Thank You.

I didn't say i disagreed. i asked why you think this its true. you just gave me some of that information in this post, albeit with a little attitude (which i enjoy). Generally when you state an opinion it is formed by some basis in fact although increasingly i question whether this is true for your posts (back at ya). I also think that if you are going to say a player is better than every other CCIW QB you better have a pretty good idea what your talking about. You lose credibility on here pretty quickly when you make sweeping statements about a school you don't even follow.

Your assertion may indeed prove to be true but you state it like its a fact which I challenged. You can say whatever you want on here and state it as opinion but if you want to add to the discussion and get a response you should bring some backup points to discuss.

To that end I believe Ullrich will have a great year for Wheaton this year because he saw decent time at Northern 2 years ago and had significant action and a year of experience in the CCIW under his belt. Kniss sat the bench all last year at EIU after playing some the year before and comes in with no experience in NCC system or CCIW.  

Unfortunately we now live in a society where "every opinion is as good as the next", therefore I don't have to support my opinion. Well  IMHO just because you are a DI recruit does not mean sh@t. how many kids have we seen who have been considered DI and never saw a whiff of the field, some never making it past their first year.so being a DI recruit does not say alot. the last petulant staement pretty much sums up this poster for me. this is the same guy who says that unless a 3&7 team improves its line play it will not bein the top four in the conference. That must have taken hours of film review to come up with that insight. There are many good posters who want to add to the discussion here, but IMHO this guy is shooting for his first ever all- conference nomination, by running up his post numbers with dreck like this. i just have to call bullsh!t when i see it.

For the record I believe Titanwatcher is referring to Comet 14's post here not mine. Of course I could be wrong and am formulatig a draft response just in case. 

Usee at the risk of seeming unChristian, the only person who would see my missive as a response to you is Comet14. just to prove it, i will not comment on the missing "n" in formulating. go Crusaders