FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[NCC_alum62]

Report from Cardinal Camp:

Knapczyk didn't come back to the team.  QB 's down to Kniss/Fanthorpe.  Starting O-lineman(Palmer?) also didn't come back. 

The QB I can understand.

Palmer...thats not good.  He was a pretty good OT, I could see Don Kasper being moved to Tackle and Weston Welnack taking over the RG spot.  They should be ok, but someone without much exp is going to have to fill in.

[usee]

New Tradition,

First of all a little prozac would be in order for you. I didn't attack anyone. Cardinaldad made a prediction and I (using his own words--"OBVIOUS" in all caps was his words, not mine) tried to flesh out his analysis behind his prediction. Its a pretty consistent theme with me U see. when someone makes a prediction on here its a lot more interesting to hear their logic and get into a football debate than to have them pound their chest and tell us they worked harder than everyone else. guys like cardinal alum will point to NCC's returning Oline and Sulo's success as a freshmen. in the kyle kniss debate we have pondered his adjustment from no playing time at a D1 school and how it translates to NCC. Others will say NCC has a good core of defensive playeers to go with some solid underclassmen. all good, valid debates.

when someone predicts their team will win a conference championship they should support it. They don't have to, but they should if they want people to engage in debate. in his post, his support is that his team is hitting the weight room and taking the season seriously. my post OBVIOUSLY was to draw out the fact that hard work is a constant to compete in this conference and you should have a little more back up than the serious approach of your team to support a claim to the conf title.

of course this is a chat room and we can all come on here and say "my team rules and yours drools" in then we won't have much of a board in my opinion (see IBC board). I come on here to debate the facts.  When that stops happening I for one will move on.

I agree, I am all for analysis.  However, as an ardent reader of this board, I know that all of the analysis that you mentioned had been discussed, at length, in earlier posts.  There is no sense in coming on here and repeating things that others have already stated.  All Cardinaldad said was that it would be a tight finish and OBVIOUSLY he would have to pick North Central simply because he believes in his team.  I don't understand why you need to rip him up for supporting the Cardinals and believing in them.  New, proper analysis will come once the first scrimmages and games start to happen and we have something new to analyze.  And the Prozac comment was ultra classy, by the way.

NT,

You can read into his post whatever you want but I read that his reasons for his prediction were because his team worked hard in the weight room and is approaching the season seriously. I challenged those reasons. you didn't like it. good for you.

I have been called classy, classless and accused of never going to class. I'll stick to the facts thanks.

and I was serious about the prozac.

[Coach44]

I have never posted on here before.  This may or may not be my last time doing so.  However, I know there is some speculation in regards to North Park Football and Scott Pethtel.  Coach P is doing everything in his power to make NPU into a program.  He is a great coach and certainly a great christain man.  He is also a very fair and hard working individual that cares a great deal about the kids in his program.  He has come in and tried to re-establish some tradition at NPU.  He has set expecations on the players there and raised the level of commitment to the program.  He has also tried to establish a better understanding around campus of how the program can benefit the University.  He has reached out to each and every former Viking to take a part in helping making NPU Football competitive in the MIGHTY CCIW.  I am not getting this info second hand as some of you may be getting your info.  I am the coach who recently found a better situation for my self professionaly and for my family.  If it had not been for that I would have loved to have stayed along with Coach P and the other coaches as they try to make NPU a winner.  Now I am not making any predictions, cause he would not appreciate that.  I do know he is eager to getting the monkey off of the programs back with winning a CCIW game.  That task will be hard, but he has a good core of kids coming back and a very good recruiting class.  He is a great guy to work for, in contrast to some that think he is not.  I appreciate what he is trying to do for the footbal program, alums and the University.  There are some very good coaches on that staff, Joe Davis is a very passionate knowledgable Offensive coordinator, Keith Kura is also a passionate coach Coach VanDen bos is a CCIW vet coach and Coach Jim Blake has some good history in the game as well.  So in time North Park should be a more competitve program.  The kids are great as well with some great leadership qualities.  So go ahead and fire away at me like i know you will.  I just had to say my peace, cause as you know as a coach i have read your comments in the past.  As a former coach in the CCIW i now can comment on some of the things i have read in hopes of not being arrogant or mispeaking for the coaching staff at NPU. 

[Gregory Sager]

LOL!  I knew there was going to be a Norwegian punch line somewhere.

What really makes it funny is that it wasn't meant to be a punch line per se. Bengt was deadly serious about the Swedish Chef's gibberish sounding like Norwegian.

So apperently Wheaton has the best food, is that true?

I'm not sure if it is "the best", but as college food goes, Wheaton has outstanding food service.

Another story: Making the road trip to Wheaton for the annual NPU @ WC men's basketball game has been a North Park student tradition for as long as anyone can remember. But back during the hardwood glory days of the Vikings, a big part of the tradition was for the North Park students to descend en masse upon the Wheaton dining hall before the game. The idea was for the blue-and-gold-bedecked visitors to generally make a nuisance of themselves and disturb the dinnertime tranquility of the Wheaties.

One thing that everyone from North Park inevitably noticed was that every year, without fail, the Wheaton dining hall served steak on the Wednesday or Saturday evening that the North Park students happened to eat there. At North Park, students got steak once every other week -- and it was a stringy, measly strip that paled in comparison to the fine chunk of cowflesh served up to the Wheaties. And that was during my student days; in subsequent years, NPC went through some serious financial hard times, and I don't know if steak even appeared on the menu at all from that point onward in the NPC dining hall.

I once mentioned this to Hiker Jim, a Wheaton alumnus who is a more prominent presence in the CCIW men's basketball and "s"-sport rooms than he is here. "Why," I asked him, "did Wheaton serve steak every time that I and my North Park compatriots visited the Wheaton dining hall? Did you have steak every day at Wheaton, or what?"

Jim's deadpan response: "Too bad you never showed up on Lobster Night."

[usee]

I have never posted on here before.  This may or may not be my last time doing so.  However, I know there is some speculation in regards to North Park Football and Scott Pethtel.  Coach P is doing everything in his power to make NPU into a program.  He is a great coach and certainly a great christain man.  He is also a very fair and hard working individual that cares a great deal about the kids in his program.  He has come in and tried to re-establish some tradition at NPU.  He has set expecations on the players there and raised the level of commitment to the program.  He has also tried to establish a better understanding around campus of how the program can benefit the University.  He has reached out to each and every former Viking to take a part in helping making NPU Football competitive in the MIGHTY CCIW.  I am not getting this info second hand as some of you may be getting your info.  I am the coach who recently found a better situation for my self professionaly and for my family.  If it had not been for that I would have loved to have stayed along with Coach P and the other coaches as they try to make NPU a winner.  Now I am not making any predictions, cause he would not appreciate that.  I do know he is eager to getting the monkey off of the programs back with winning a CCIW game.  That task will be hard, but he has a good core of kids coming back and a very good recruiting class.  He is a great guy to work for, in contrast to some that think he is not.  I appreciate what he is trying to do for the footbal program, alums and the University.  There are some very good coaches on that staff, Joe Davis is a very passionate knowledgable Offensive coordinator, Keith Kura is also a passionate coach Coach VanDen bos is a CCIW vet coach and Coach Jim Blake has some good history in the game as well.  So in time North Park should be a more competitve program.  The kids are great as well with some great leadership qualities.  So go ahead and fire away at me like i know you will.  I just had to say my peace, cause as you know as a coach i have read your comments in the past.  As a former coach in the CCIW i now can comment on some of the things i have read in hopes of not being arrogant or mispeaking for the coaching staff at NPU. 

Coach,

thanks for your post. It was well stated and supports what many believe on here. NPU is on the right road. I have predicted their first conference win this year. Hopefully the administration will continue to give the program what it needs to compete. so far it looks good. Coach P seems like the right guy at the right time.

[cardinaldad]

     Well, I always hate the end of summer. But, if there is a good thing about the end of summer is that it  brings the football season and some GREAT CCIW action. Good luck to all teams and hopefully you will have a relatively injury free season.
     It's been interesting reading all of your posts for awhile. Interesting predictions, etc. I'm feeling better and better about NCC repeating. It is OBVIOUS that the players have been hitting the weight room and are serious about this season. I predict a very similar finish this year to what we had last year. I don't think any team will run the table. If one does, I'll have to pick NCC, of course. Each year, they get better!!!!!
    Again, everyone have a great, safe season.

GO CARDS!!!

Cardinaldad,

So your logic is that because the NCC players were OBVIOUSLY hitting the weight room (showing they are serious about this season of course) they will repeat? Were there no Augie players working out this summer? no Wheaton players? Nobody from Carthage? For sure there couldn't have been any Elmhurst players working as hard as NCC. God forbid North Park players would take this season seriously. 

Suppose for a minute that all the top teams worked out just as hard as every other team. Then what? NCC still the OBVIOUS choice?

    Wow Usee, I didn't think a quick, simple, innocent post would bring out such a barrage of questions. I, too, like NT think you need to chill out before you blow a head gasket. I would hate for you to develop a serious health problem over such as menial thing! I have no idea where your barrage came from. Why the attitude?
     A lot of times, I don't have the liesure, means or knowledge to perform in-depth analyzations of all the CCIW teams. I also don't always have the time to write a dissertation as a post. Contrarily, I do enjoy the excellent analyzations, posts, opinions, etc. of others that have the time and knowledge who do post on this board. Many times I am impressed with the opinions and knowledge of many posters.
    I started my original post by stating that I enjoyed reading the previous posts. You and NT are correct. You are correct by stating that I should have more backing for having my opinion. NT is very accurate by his statement regarding it being hard to add to what has already been said, especially by the excellent job NCC Alum 62 has done with a number of his posts.
    For you, I will expound a little about my opinion:

     In addition to what already has been posted about NCC (which I agree with a lot of), I had the opportunity to see the football team. Almost to a player, they were bigger, leaner and went about their business with seriousness. It was evident that, as a team, they are more "cut" than any Cardinal team I have seen. Usually, stronger, bigger and leaner equals faster. Faster on a football field is a good thing. It is OBVIOUS that they have spent more time in the weight room than any other Cardinal team. I cannot determine how much the other teams were in the weight room, but if they spent the same amount of time as the Cards, then we should kick almost everyones' butts again, like last year and the year before. Notice I said almost.......I don't think anyone will run the table (IMO).
    Each year, for the past five years, the Cards have been a better football team. They have taken strides each year. I don't think any other team in the CCIW can say that.
     And NT is right, why shouldn't I believe in my son's team? If the supporters don't believe, who should?
    So Usee, there are some of my thoughts.
    NT - thanks for the support. Your interpretation on my post was very accurate! Thanks for the defense.

GO CARDS!!

[usee]

     Well, I always hate the end of summer. But, if there is a good thing about the end of summer is that it  brings the football season and some GREAT CCIW action. Good luck to all teams and hopefully you will have a relatively injury free season.
     It's been interesting reading all of your posts for awhile. Interesting predictions, etc. I'm feeling better and better about NCC repeating. It is OBVIOUS that the players have been hitting the weight room and are serious about this season. I predict a very similar finish this year to what we had last year. I don't think any team will run the table. If one does, I'll have to pick NCC, of course. Each year, they get better!!!!!
    Again, everyone have a great, safe season.

GO CARDS!!!

Cardinaldad,

So your logic is that because the NCC players were OBVIOUSLY hitting the weight room (showing they are serious about this season of course) they will repeat? Were there no Augie players working out this summer? no Wheaton players? Nobody from Carthage? For sure there couldn't have been any Elmhurst players working as hard as NCC. God forbid North Park players would take this season seriously. 

Suppose for a minute that all the top teams worked out just as hard as every other team. Then what? NCC still the OBVIOUS choice?

    Wow Usee, I didn't think a quick, simple, innocent post would bring out such a barrage of questions. I, too, like NT think you need to chill out before you blow a head gasket. I would hate for you to develop a serious health problem over such as menial thing! I have no idea where your barrage came from. Why the attitude?
     A lot of times, I don't have the liesure, means or knowledge to perform in-depth analyzations of all the CCIW teams. I also don't always have the time to write a dissertation as a post. Contrarily, I do enjoy the excellent analyzations, posts, opinions, etc. of others that have the time and knowledge who do post on this board. Many times I am impressed with the opinions and knowledge of many posters.
    I started my original post by stating that I enjoyed reading the previous posts. You and NT are correct. You are correct by stating that I should have more backing for having my opinion. NT is very accurate by his statement regarding it being hard to add to what has already been said, especially by the excellent job NCC Alum 62 has done with a number of his posts.
    For you, I will expound a little about my opinion:

     In addition to what already has been posted about NCC (which I agree with a lot of), I had the opportunity to see the football team. Almost to a player, they were bigger, leaner and went about their business with seriousness. It was evident that, as a team, they are more "cut" than any Cardinal team I have seen. Usually, stronger, bigger and leaner equals faster. Faster on a football field is a good thing. It is OBVIOUS that they have spent more time in the weight room than any other Cardinal team. I cannot determine how much the other teams were in the weight room, but if they spent the same amount of time as the Cards, then we should kick almost everyones' butts again, like last year and the year before. Notice I said almost.......I don't think anyone will run the table (IMO).
    Each year, for the past five years, the Cards have been a better football team. They have taken strides each year. I don't think any other team in the CCIW can say that.
     And NT is right, why shouldn't I believe in my son's team? If the supporters don't believe, who should?
    So Usee, there are some of my thoughts.
    NT - thanks for the support. Your interpretation on my post was very accurate! Thanks for the defense.

GO CARDS!!

cardinaldad,

no attitude here, just my thoughts. if you think what i said had attitude you haven't seen many of my posts (judging by your number of posts that is probably true).

thanks for your thoughts on NCC. I don't think leaner, faster, stronger necessarily translates into wins on the football field but it certainly helps. I would be more concerned with the loss of a starting tackle (as mentioned), a new defensive coordinator and system, and an unproven qb w some tough shoes to fill. those will be much better indicators of success in the cciw for ncc this season.

as far as training i doubt anyone works harder than players from augie and wheaton but they may work as hard, which would also be a pre-requisite to success in the CCIW.  I think NCC will have a good year but they have to prove they can win a big game on the road and in the past two years they have not. this year a win in rock island and possibly kenosha will help. I picked them 8-2.

I guess we will see

[usee]

Although I think Wheaton is the clear favorite with a favorable schedule and 25 seniors, in order to run the table I have some concerns for the Thunder as they enter the middle of training camp:

-Ittersagen's leg/foot. these types of things can be a chronic problem. has he recovered and is the leg ready for the wear and tear of a CCIW schedule?
-starting tailback-who will it be and how will he/she perform?
-the corner opposite ittersagen--likely to get a lot of exposure. Can he hold up?
-Mckinney--knee? big problem. he is a playmaker
-Can Ullrich become the playmaker we think he is?

like any season injuries could bring the Thunder back to the pack significantly. there are many questions with this team but they are good problems to have. clearly a talented group and could be a special year.

[DIIIinVA]

I hope anyone on the board who attends the Wheaton/Wabash scrimmage will pay particular attention to how Ittersagen looks, how he looks coming out of his backpedal and planting, changing direction, etc. in addition to whether he's limping or favoring the injured leg after the play.  I'm very anxious to hear that report.

Any further word yet on the extent of the injury to McKinney?

[New Tradition]

NT - thanks for the support. Your interpretation on my post was very accurate! Thanks for the defense.

No problem, Cardinaldad.  You'd think that no one would come under fire from such a benign post...

[FormerCard]

NT - thanks for the support. Your interpretation on my post was very accurate! Thanks for the defense.

No problem, Cardinaldad.  You'd think that no one would come under fire from such a benign post...

NC posters bonding together?!?...Great things are happening since JT took the throne.

[FormerCard]

Although I think Wheaton is the clear favorite with a favorable schedule and 25 seniors, in order to run the table I have some concerns for the Thunder as they enter the middle of training camp:


-starting tailback-who will it be and how will he/she perform?

USEE,

Am I missing something here?  Does wheaton plan on bringing in Jackie Joyner Kersee to kickstart their offense?  Maybe Serena williams to roam at middle linebacker or Tonya Harding to skate circles around Defensive backs? (Nancy Kerrigan is on the DL, some sort of knee injury)

Does Wheaton have a girl who is lining up at tailback?

Couldnt resist on this one, but if they do, that is a story for sure

[usee]

NT - thanks for the support. Your interpretation on my post was very accurate! Thanks for the defense.

No problem, Cardinaldad.  You'd think that no one would come under fire from such a benign post...

NT,

I am certainly prepared to let this go but if you keep referring to it then by all means lets keep this thing burning.

Can you read? I simply asked for a little analysis to back up a prediction and you make it look like WW3. I didn't attach anyone in my original post, I asked a pretty OBVIOUS question that many people without cardinal colored glasses on were wondering. If this is how you react to simple post-post debate then I can hardly wait for the week the Thunder roll into Naperville. Please stay around because this should be pretty entertaining.

[usee]

Although I think Wheaton is the clear favorite with a favorable schedule and 25 seniors, in order to run the table I have some concerns for the Thunder as they enter the middle of training camp:


-starting tailback-who will it be and how will he/she perform?

USEE,

Am I missing something here?  Does wheaton plan on bringing in Jackie Joyner Kersee to kickstart their offense?  Maybe Serena williams to roam at middle linebacker or Tonya Harding to skate circles around Defensive backs? (Nancy Kerrigan is on the DL, some sort of knee injury)

Does Wheaton have a girl who is lining up at tailback?

Couldnt resist on this one, but if they do, that is a story for sure

It's called Title IX

[old 40]

JayBird;

My hats off to the Elmhurst program for a great day of football (scrimmage and practice). Staff and players a classy group. I think they will do well in the CCIW.

Your QB is very good, Mobile and quick with a good arm and a lot of accuracy. I thought your outside zone running game looked good against Lakeland's D. I think the O line will be OK. The two safeties really can bring it. Good size and speed.

Both teams played a stalemate most of the scrimmage, IMO. Both have several areas to shore up.  Good luck to you and all the CCIW teams. Thanks again from a Lakeland friend.