FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[usee]

A sweep for the home teams today - first time this season.  IMO November 10th would be an excellent time to do it again!

You keep thinkin butch, that's what you do best.

[augiedogie]

With Augie down 12 with 6:00 minutes left in the game, they went to the shotgun with a 3 receiver set. They switched that set up with a shotgun with the wing back formation. They had replaced McGuiness with Podulka who ran the offense well. Augie looked like they were going to get the ball back with a bad snap on Carthage's punt attempt when the roughing the kicker penalty was called.  I'm not an expert on the rules, but once the kicker fumbled the ball and started to run I thought there wasn't a penalty for roughing the kicker? 

Augie turned the ball over 5 times which ended up costing them the game. They were up 14-10 and were inside the Carthage 10, when they fumbled that turned the game around. Carthage drove down and scored, and picked off a pass as Augie tried to run a hurry up offense before the end of the first half which resulted in a int and a Carthage TD.

Disappointing loss for Augie tonight considering they gained almost 400 yards of offense. It will be interesting to see if they will go 6-4 or most likely 5-5 because I don't see them winning homecoming against NC.

[Tailgater]

WOW! big win in Kenosha tonight! First win over Augie in forever and I believe the first win for Tim Rucks coaching against Augie. A lot of credit goes to the Carthage coaching staff for this win. Both sides of the ball were pieced together with several reserve players who stepped up to the challenge. Augie won almost all the statistical aspects of the game except passing yards,  turnovers and final score. I'm thinking out loud with this thought and a little lazy at this hour to do some research, but when was the last year Augie had 4 losses at this stage of the season? Carthage held the lead for the majority of the game and appeared to be letting it slip away, but a huge 1 play, 13 second possession, 80 yard TD pass with a little under 7 minutes to play gave Carthage the margin they needed to pull off a shocker. Never say never in the CCIW.

[Tailgater]

Augie looked like they were going to get the ball back with a bad snap on Carthage's punt attempt when the roughing the kicker penalty was called.  I'm not an expert on the rules, but once the kicker fumbled the ball and started to run I thought there wasn't a penalty for roughing the kicker? 

I agree augiedogie. Maybe someone can educate us? 2 minutes left in the game and a 5 point lead, it appeared Carthage would give the ball back to Augie around mid-field with 1 time-out remaining. The punt snap certainly skipped, slid and rolled forcing Donovan Moore to scoop and scramble for his life trying to find a place to get a kick off. He did get a kick off cleanly and was simultaneously tackled. The officials did take time to confer and ruled roughing the kicker? This resulted in a first down for the Red Men which allowed them to run out the clock. This one play certainly isn't the reason Augie lost this game (turnovers did them in), but it would have made the final 2 minutes a little more intense than it already was.

[wheels81]

I remember the Augie punter taking 2 steps to the right when he was kicking the ball and into an on rushing defender last week and he got the roughing the kicker call giving the vikings a first down and on their way to a field goal.  So turn around is fair play

[wheels81]

 UC "Griffiths had one punt for 3 yds. You can't have that against top CCIW teams. He did have a few other nice punts."

THis kick was partially blocked so give the kid break.

[wheels81]

Odd interesting fact , Wheaton would have had an even 200 yard rushing night if they had not taken a knee at the end.  They counted that as a minus 1 yard loss.  I didn't know they counted those kneel downs.

[Tailgater]

Redman04 and Tailgater, congrats on the W.  That was a much needed victory.  It will be interesting to see what happens over the next three CCIW games.

What's the download on the game?

Turnovers lose football games. That about sums it up. The Red Men played a gutsy game and made things happen at the right moments. Offensively Carthage had no running game (30 something yards). The passing game was very good at times, although spotty and not consistent over the coarse of the game. As I prowled the sidelines during the 2nd quarter my thoughts were that Augie's D didn't look as big physically as many I have seen. Their D line had difficulty putting pressure on QB Dan DeBoeuf (O'Boyle was dressed but did not play, high ankle sprain from NP game). This was a little surprising as the Red Men O-line is still held together with bailing wire and duct tape. I give those boys credit though they got the job done. A short lived Augie lead in the second quarter vanished quickly as Carthage took advantage of short field possessions from turnovers. Carthage had the opportunity of putting more points on the board just before half as a partially blocked punt was returned to the Augie 10 yard line. 18 seconds to go and no time outs Carthage completed a pass on the field of play. Not sure why we didn't throw to the endzone? With 11 seconds left and running, instead of rushing to the line of scrimmage and spiking the ball to stop the clock, the Red Men tried to rush it's field goal unit on the field, but failed to get a kick off in time. Fortunately they didn't need those points in the end.

[HScoach]

Odd interesting fact , Wheaton would have had an even 200 yard rushing night if they had not taken a knee at the end.  They counted that as a minus 1 yard loss.  I didn't know they counted those kneel downs.

Those go into the official stats as a "team" rush for -1 yard.  The QB does not get penalized for that in his rush totals.

[redman04]

WOW! big win in Kenosha tonight! First win over Augie in forever and I believe the first win for Tim Rucks coaching against Augie.

Big win is right!  Great job redmen.  (First win against Augie since1996, Rucks 2nd year)

Goes to show you two things,
1. Turn overs Kill Augie turned it over 5 X
2. You never know.  I bet very few outside of carthagians pick the redmen last night!

[augiedogie]

I remember the Augie punter taking 2 steps to the right when he was kicking the ball and into an on rushing defender last week and he got the roughing the kicker call giving the vikings a first down and on their way to a field goal.  So turn around is fair play

There is a difference between a fumble on the play, and the kicker running a couple of steps and then deciding to kick the ball. The kick you were referring to last week wasn't a fumble but a direct snap to the kicker who decided to run before kicking.

[Carthage Fan]

Augie looked like they were going to get the ball back with a bad snap on Carthage's punt attempt when the roughing the kicker penalty was called.  I'm not an expert on the rules, but once the kicker fumbled the ball and started to run I thought there wasn't a penalty for roughing the kicker? 

I agree augiedogie. Maybe someone can educate us? 2 minutes left in the game and a 5 point lead, it appeared Carthage would give the ball back to Augie around mid-field with 1 time-out remaining. The punt snap certainly skipped, slid and rolled forcing Donovan Moore to scoop and scramble for his life trying to find a place to get a kick off. He did get a kick off cleanly and was simultaneously tackled. The officials did take time to confer and ruled roughing the kicker? This resulted in a first down for the Red Men which allowed them to run out the clock. This one play certainly isn't the reason Augie lost this game (turnovers did them in), but it would have made the final 2 minutes a little more intense than it already was.

OK, The best info I can find on the roughing the kicker rule is from the NCAA rules which read as follows:

VI. Kicker A1, in a scrimmage kick formation, moves laterally two or
three steps to recover a faulty snap, or recovers a snap that went
over his head and then kicks the ball. He is contacted by B2 in
an unsuccessful attempt to block the kick. RULING: A1 does
not automatically lose his protection in either case. A1 is entitled
to protection as in any other kicking situation. When it becomes
obvious that A1 intends to kick (in a normal punting position),
defensive players must avoid him.

I also talked with officials I know and they say it was the correct call.  It doesn't matter if the kicker intended to run or not, or that the ball hit the ground, when Moore kicked the ball he had "protection" and when he was tackled immediately after the kick the ruling is roughing the kicker.

Now I guess one can argue was it a normal punting position?  He stopped to kick it so I would think yes.  Bottom line is I don't think that cost Augie the game, I think the turnovers did.

[augiedogie]

Carthage Fan-

Thanks for the clarification.  I agree that wasn't the deciding factor in the game. The 5 turnovers, and blocked field goal definately didn't help Augie's cause. Carthage's kick had a nice game kicking 2 fgs of 45+ yards. It would have been interesting because Augie was able to move down the field pretty easily with their new shotgun formation.  Augie threw the ball a lot more than normal on 2nd and 3rd downs throughout the whole game. I'm wondering if they were trying to open up the offense to give NC a different look.  Seeing that NC has had Augie's number the past couple of years, they are going to need to do something to keep them off balance.

[augiefan]

Unless Augie wins out, a highly improbable possibility given the fact that they will be playing a superior NCC team next week, they will finish with a non-winning season for the first time since 1978, when they went 4-5 the year prior to Coach Reade's arrival in Rock Island. This year's team is certainly the worst at Augie, since I started following the team in the 80s.
If Jim Barnes expects to continue his tenure at Augie, it may be time to modernize the offense and actually consider using the forward pass other than in desparation situations.

For Augie fans the CCIW basetball season cannot start to soon.

[Titan Q]

For Augie fans the CCIW basetball season cannot start to soon.

It seems terribly strange to hear an Augustana fan anxious to get football season out of the way in anticipation of baskeball and at the same time, Illinois Wesleyan fans looking for a football championship in a year in which the basketball team is going to struggle.  So I had to do a little research on CCIW.org...

In 61 complete seasons of College Conference of Illinois & Wisconsin (previously "College Conference of Illinois") play, there have only been 4 seasons in which Illinois Wesleyan's football team finished with a better league record than Augustana AND Augustana finished higher in the basketball standings:

1977-78
Football: IWU 6-2, Augie 4-4
Basketball: Augie 12-4, IWU 11-5

1979-80
Football: IWU 6-2, Augie 5-3
Basketball: Augie 13-3, IWU 11-5

1980-81
Football: IWU 6-2, Augie 5-3
Basketball: Augie 15-1, IWU 11-5

1992-93
Football: IWU 7-0, Augie 6-1
Basketball: Augie 12-2, IWU 9-5


This year will almost certainly be the 5th.