FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Carthage Fan]

Augie looked like they were going to get the ball back with a bad snap on Carthage's punt attempt when the roughing the kicker penalty was called.  I'm not an expert on the rules, but once the kicker fumbled the ball and started to run I thought there wasn't a penalty for roughing the kicker? 

I agree augiedogie. Maybe someone can educate us? 2 minutes left in the game and a 5 point lead, it appeared Carthage would give the ball back to Augie around mid-field with 1 time-out remaining. The punt snap certainly skipped, slid and rolled forcing Donovan Moore to scoop and scramble for his life trying to find a place to get a kick off. He did get a kick off cleanly and was simultaneously tackled. The officials did take time to confer and ruled roughing the kicker? This resulted in a first down for the Red Men which allowed them to run out the clock. This one play certainly isn't the reason Augie lost this game (turnovers did them in), but it would have made the final 2 minutes a little more intense than it already was.

OK, The best info I can find on the roughing the kicker rule is from the NCAA rules which read as follows:

VI. Kicker A1, in a scrimmage kick formation, moves laterally two or
three steps to recover a faulty snap, or recovers a snap that went
over his head and then kicks the ball. He is contacted by B2 in
an unsuccessful attempt to block the kick. RULING: A1 does
not automatically lose his protection in either case. A1 is entitled
to protection as in any other kicking situation. When it becomes
obvious that A1 intends to kick (in a normal punting position),
defensive players must avoid him.

I also talked with officials I know and they say it was the correct call.  It doesn't matter if the kicker intended to run or not, or that the ball hit the ground, when Moore kicked the ball he had "protection" and when he was tackled immediately after the kick the ruling is roughing the kicker.

Now I guess one can argue was it a normal punting position?  He stopped to kick it so I would think yes.  Bottom line is I don't think that cost Augie the game, I think the turnovers did.

Nice detailed explanation Carthage Fan. I've come to expect accurate official rulings from you. Thanks for the education. +K

Thanks TG, I have an official in the family so when I complain or argue calls he always pulls out the rule book.  As expected I am wrong most of the time.  Interesting comment to me is how often he says that coaches and players do not know the rules. 

[usee]

I think right now that 1st team QB is between Fanthorpe and Ladd.   Personally, I would give the nod to Fanthorpe at this point.  I think the WashU game is a perfect example of how important he was to his team, when he was ill they didn't have the same spark.  Add in the stats and I think you have the top QB.  I think it is close enough though that one week laying an egg could change the outcome for either of these guys. 

There is still 43% of the conference season to play...long way to go.

You must work in numbers...I doubt many would use a percentage to describe how many games are left in the season.   Accountant or Actuary?

bloomington= either state farm or government. I am betting state farm.....

[Titan Q]

I think right now that 1st team QB is between Fanthorpe and Ladd.   Personally, I would give the nod to Fanthorpe at this point.  I think the WashU game is a perfect example of how important he was to his team, when he was ill they didn't have the same spark.  Add in the stats and I think you have the top QB.  I think it is close enough though that one week laying an egg could change the outcome for either of these guys. 

There is still 43% of the conference season to play...long way to go.

You must work in numbers...I doubt many would use a percentage to describe how many games are left in the season.   Accountant or Actuary?

I am actually in sales...a profession in which numbers are often the most effective way to support a point.

[FormerCard]

I think right now that 1st team QB is between Fanthorpe and Ladd.   Personally, I would give the nod to Fanthorpe at this point.  I think the WashU game is a perfect example of how important he was to his team, when he was ill they didn't have the same spark.  Add in the stats and I think you have the top QB.  I think it is close enough though that one week laying an egg could change the outcome for either of these guys. 

There is still 43% of the conference season to play...long way to go.

You must work in numbers...I doubt many would use a percentage to describe how many games are left in the season.   Accountant or Actuary?

I am actually in sales...a profession in which numbers are often the most effective way to support a point.

And even if you are wrong about the number and you say it with conviction, you sound right and close the deal

[Titan Q]

And even if you are wrong about the number and you say it with conviction, you sound right and close the deal

I suppose, but it's probably not an account you will have for too long! 

[devildog29]

And even if you are wrong about the number and you say it with conviction, you sound right and close the deal

I suppose, but it's probably not an account you will have for too long! 

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[redman04]

Augie is like the Michigan of the CCIW.  They are always good and everyone is gunning for them.  Barnes is a good coach, his record shows it, but like Michigan, 2 losses at the beginning of the year have people calling for lloyd carr's head!  Augie may have 3 losses in conference, but i would bet that they will be back as strong as ever next year. They always seam to. 

Also I hope that the redmen (kids on the team) had 1/8 of the good time that  we had after we beat augie my freshmen year at carthage!  Might of been one of the most fun nights of my life! 

For those of you who did not know the back drop of the game  Augie was 3-0 Carthage was 0-3 Augie was a top 20 team Carthage had won 3 games in 2 years.  It was homecoming at carthage and rucks gave an impassioned speech about winning your homecoming.  About how Carthage had not won homecoming in years and that we would change that!  It was awesome. 

Hey I played in that game. I think it was the new all black unis.  Does that make me a vital part of history?
We partied like Rock Stars that night

Everything you do is historic!

[matblake]

I think right now that 1st team QB is between Fanthorpe and Ladd.   Personally, I would give the nod to Fanthorpe at this point.  I think the WashU game is a perfect example of how important he was to his team, when he was ill they didn't have the same spark.  Add in the stats and I think you have the top QB.  I think it is close enough though that one week laying an egg could change the outcome for either of these guys. 

There is still 43% of the conference season to play...long way to go.

You must work in numbers...I doubt many would use a percentage to describe how many games are left in the season.   Accountant or Actuary?

I am actually in sales...a profession in which numbers are often the most effective way to support a point.

Q, see Sager's signature line.......... 

[Redmen96]

Augie is like the Michigan of the CCIW.  They are always good and everyone is gunning for them.  Barnes is a good coach, his record shows it, but like Michigan, 2 losses at the beginning of the year have people calling for lloyd carr's head!  Augie may have 3 losses in conference, but i would bet that they will be back as strong as ever next year. They always seam to. 

Also I hope that the redmen (kids on the team) had 1/8 of the good time that  we had after we beat augie my freshmen year at carthage!  Might of been one of the most fun nights of my life! 

For those of you who did not know the back drop of the game  Augie was 3-0 Carthage was 0-3 Augie was a top 20 team Carthage had won 3 games in 2 years.  It was homecoming at carthage and rucks gave an impassioned speech about winning your homecoming.  About how Carthage had not won homecoming in years and that we would change that!  It was awesome. 

Hey I played in that game. I think it was the new all black unis.  Does that make me a vital part of history?
We partied like Rock Stars that night

Everything you do is historic!

Historic because I'm soo old.
congrats on 400

[burly]

Except this year, Michigan will win the Big 10.

I would bet on Ohio State over Michigan

Ok, you're on.  Loser has to change their post pattern screen name.  Deal?

[burly]

I think right now that 1st team QB is between Fanthorpe and Ladd.   Personally, I would give the nod to Fanthorpe at this point.  I think the WashU game is a perfect example of how important he was to his team, when he was ill they didn't have the same spark.  Add in the stats and I think you have the top QB.  I think it is close enough though that one week laying an egg could change the outcome for either of these guys. 

There is still 43% of the conference season to play...long way to go.

You must work in numbers...I doubt many would use a percentage to describe how many games are left in the season.   Accountant or Actuary?

bloomington= either state farm or government. I am betting state farm.....

Lets not forget the Pantagraph...

[AndOne]

Or Country Companies, another mainstay of the Bloomington-Normal business community.

[AndOne]

I think right now that 1st team QB is between Fanthorpe and Ladd.   Personally, I would give the nod to Fanthorpe at this point.  I think the WashU game is a perfect example of how important he was to his team, when he was ill they didn't have the same spark.  Add in the stats and I think you have the top QB.  I think it is close enough though that one week laying an egg could change the outcome for either of these guys. 

There is still 43% of the conference season to play...long way to go.

You must work in numbers...I doubt many would use a percentage to describe how many games are left in the season.   Accountant or Actuary?

I am actually in sales...a profession in which numbers are often the most effective way to support a point.

Or in some cases, the most effective way to DISTORT a point!   

(Of course, I'm EXcluding Q from this segment of the profession)   

[AndOne]

And even if you are wrong about the number and you say it with conviction, you sound right and close the deal

I suppose, but it's probably not an account you will have for too long! 

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Or as my spousal unit, the math professor, says "If you're good, you can make numbers say whatever you want them to!!!"       

[Mr. Ypsi]

And even if you are wrong about the number and you say it with conviction, you sound right and close the deal

I suppose, but it's probably not an account you will have for too long! 

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Or as my spousal unit, the math professor, says "If you're good, you can make numbers say whatever you want them to!!!"       

Hey, I'm this board's (retired) stat prof - quit stealin' my lines!  The sweatshirt I wore to stat finals reads: "If all else fails, manipulate the data".