FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Pat Coleman]

Carthage was a pick to surprise in 2004.

Plus, Carthage got the automatic bid in 2004 -- there was no slipping in.

Umm... the link you sent me said you picked them for a suprise. Thanks for supporting my point. As for Carthage slipping in 2004, they did. After going 3-7 the year before no one could have predicted the Redmen to do anything in 2004. So for that fact they did fly under the radar and slipped in under everybody. The even won 2 playoff games and finished 5th in the nation! Therefore, thank you for supporting my point as Carthage slipping into the playoffs Pat 

It doesn't prove your point. They weren't under the radar if someone picked them to win games. They didn't slip into the playoffs as they wrapped up the automatic bid a week before Selection Sunday.

Otherwise, .... yeah, you're right. If you have anything left.

Yeah I got something for ya... what did you predict Carthage would finish in 2004 before the season started after going 3-7 in 2003?

Nothing that would be relevant to slipping into the playoffs. Slipping means they barely got in. Carthage qualified automatically, with a vengeance. If you want to say they were an unlikely team based on preseason predictions, then you should use the proper words to say that.

[FormerCard]

Interesting note from the daily dose:

No. 10 Wheaton at Illinois Wesleyan. This game, along with the game Keith chose, can impact two conference automatic bids, in this case the CCIW and the MIAA. Hope and Olivet, two of the three teams tied for first in the MIAA, played Wheaton and Illinois Wesleyan respectively and their opponents' records are the tiebreaker that it appears will settle the automatic bid. Oh, and Wheaton can win the CCIW automatic bid with a victory, so that's important too. IWU can win the automatic bid if it wins and North Central loses at Carthage.


So Hope and Olivet also put their hopes on the line in Btown.

USEE, any final thoughts before 1pm?  I missed the banter earlier in the week.

Here is my best impression of Lee Corso

"The team that scores the most points will win."    (Put on silly mascot hat)

[FormerCard]

Here is the Pantagraph's article on IWU vs Wheaton...

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/11/10/sports/doc4735353d65650795565990.txt

Coach Swider lists Andy Studebaker as "doubtful."  Didn't Andy have surgery Thursday?  A little gamesmanship, or did he not have surgery?

Word I heard was that Studebaker had surgery... so he's done for the year.  In other news it sounds like Wheaton could be without 3-4 more starters (all on offensive side of the ball).  Not good news when you are going up against the likes of the Titan defense.  As Wheaton lines up against IWU they could be without 6 players who were All-CCIW last year.  Just keeps getting better...   

As ThunderStones said... no excuses.  Time to get it done.  You know Swider won't let Wheaton feel sorry for themselves.  He'll have them ready to go and they will give it all they have with whoever lines up.

Definitely a blow for Wheaton..IWU had 8 sacks against us last week.  Hopefully for Wheaton, Norris performs well under pressure

[Mugsy]

Here is the Pantagraph's article on IWU vs Wheaton...

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/11/10/sports/doc4735353d65650795565990.txt

Coach Swider lists Andy Studebaker as "doubtful."  Didn't Andy have surgery Thursday?  A little gamesmanship, or did he not have surgery?

Word I heard was that Studebaker had surgery... so he's done for the year.  In other news it sounds like Wheaton could be without 3-4 more starters (all on offensive side of the ball).  Not good news when you are going up against the likes of the Titan defense.  As Wheaton lines up against IWU they could be without 6 players who were All-CCIW last year.  Just keeps getting better...   

As ThunderStones said... no excuses.  Time to get it done.  You know Swider won't let Wheaton feel sorry for themselves.  He'll have them ready to go and they will give it all they have with whoever lines up.

Definitely a blow for Wheaton..IWU had 8 sacks against us last week.  Hopefully for Wheaton, Norris performs well under pressure

Norris, Fossum and 2 OL are most likely out.  So 2nd string QB and 5th year senior WR are most likely out or limited.  Rowson (All American last year) and Royer are the OL who are likely to miss the game.  Offense takes a serious blow before the first snap.  All team captains are not even dressed.  So not only is Wheaton hurting by position, but they are missing the leadership on the field.

Lots to overcome, but I'm still confident.

[usee]

Here is the audio from the Norm Eash Show on WJBC a couple days ago...obviously the primary focus was on the IWU/Wheaton game.

http://www.wjbc.com/wire2/podsports/00633_NormEash110807_200933.htm

Very interesting bit Q, thanks for sharing it. a few observations:

Marcus Dunlop is an extremely well spoken young man. He was very impressive in his part of the interview. You can't help but like a kid like that. (except for today of course!).

Stormin Norm had some good bits. They talked about matchups and the interviewer primed him for "a defensive back that is a big play guy and a great punt returner" to which Norm went on to say how Wheaton really didn't have any outstanding players on offense or defense.  He called the IWU Defense the "top defense in the conference" and joked about his buzz cut (a bet he made w the offense in preseason. overall pretty entertaining.

[Mugsy]

Actually it sounds like OG Rowson is playing, but both OT are not.  Norris is not playing.

[usee]

Actually it sounds like OG Rowson is playing, but both OT are not.  Norris is not playing.

Norris is punting, not playing qb. shoulder injury

[Mugsy]

Actually it sounds like OG Rowson is playing, but both OT are not.  Norris is not playing.

Norris is punting, not playing qb. shoulder injury

right... thanks for clarifying.

Remember the last time a QB named Bradley who wasn't a starter lined up for Wheaton on the last week of the season with the CCIW title on the line?

[usee]

NCC up 7-3 in the 1st

[usee]

wheaton with an Int in IWU territory.

Wheaton gets a couple first downs. has the ball at IWU 35.

[usee]

NCC up 14-3 in kenosha w 1.20 to go 1st qtr

[RedmenFB44]

Where can I hear the Carthage-NC game?

[usee]

wheaton stuffed on 4th and inches at the IWU 30

[usee]

after a carthage fumble, ncc cashes is again.

ncc 21-3

[Mugsy]

79 yard bomb, Bradley to Pokorny... Wheaton 7 - IWU 0