FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mr. Ypsi]

Augie's website has them as 30-0 winners.

I believe that makes the weeks' tally: CCIW 6, Infidels 2.

And the conference non-con record for the season moves to 10-3.

[Carthage Fan]

Quite the interesting game in Kenosha today. A lot of fun to watch, if you like a lot of scoring. The outcome certainly made the messy weather conditions worth sitting through. Terry Peebles spread offense looks potent to say the least. Record passing day 466 (yds), nearly record total offensive yards (641) and a point shy of school record game score for the afternoon (70). Almost 1100 yards in combined offense and 116 total points. I went to a football game and thought a basketball game broke out judging from the score. If the Carthage defense could of put together a few three-and-outs and shortened Hope's time of possession a little, there is no question this offense could have reached a 100 tally on this day. Quick strike potential. The offense has a lot of weapons. To many targets for a defense to focus on any particular player or possition. Offensive line did a great job giving QB Evan Jones (1st start) plenty of time to search through his targets. If this is a sign of things to come, I'm pretty excited about this season.

The defense left a lot of question marks. Yes they gave up over 400 yards of offense (over 300 in the air) and 46 points, but I'm certain some of that credit should go to a Hope offense that looked hard to stop most of the game. Carthage did create 4 turnovers which helped hold down Hope's scoring total a little. I have confidence the Red Men will sort out their issues and will perform more consistently against Lakeland next week.

Good assessment tailgater. 

As far as the O goes....WOW...

In defense of the defense they left themselves with a lot of short fields due to penalties and a fumble which led to some scores.  Numerous tipped and deflected passes landed in Hope receivers hands and a very questionable call on a TD where the receiver was clearly out of bounds.  Still, cannot give up that many yards and points.

This was the Red Men's first game against an opponent who played last week.    They will fix it. 

[usee]

Does anyone in the MIAA play defense? holy cow.

No idea why the Thunder were in white uniforms. obviously no longer "road" unis.

Ittersagen had a punt return down to the 10 yd line before his one to the house. He was the best player on the field. Bethel is a good football team, especially on defense. very quick and active. they don't have much of a passing game. Bethel's one TD was a pass over ittersagen and the reciever simply made a great play. You won't see many TD's over #12 this year but credit to Bethel for making a play. I thought the wheaton sideline did a terrible job managing the footballs. Most of the time the ball was the same for the whole series and Norris was trying to throw a watermelon on 3rd down. I also thougth Wheaton should have spread out the defense more and tried to throw hooks and spot routes. Norris threw the ball as if there was no rain. The Wheaton offense has a lot of question marks in my mind. their defense is pretty good. Great to see Mike McKinney making plays again. I thought he and pagh were the difference up front as well as the dline making plays. I thnk Bethel's coaches are kicking themselves for letting ittersagen beat them. of the 11 fumbles I would bet 7 of them were qb center exchanges. +2 for wheaton in turnovers.

A good win for the THunder.

[DIIIinVA]

Nice showing by the CCIW this weekend.  Good job by the Thunder to post a win under tough conditions vs. a good opponent.  Looks like Gingg is going to be a workhorse this year.  I'm looking forward to following his career.

[cardinaldad]

C'mon New Tradition,  have a little more class than that! 
Coaches will come and go, but it's really the PLAYERS that won the game, not the coach.
Lester, Wienke, Thorne, etc. are all good coaches.  The EC job was a great opportunity for Tim so who wouldn't accept a position like that?

Jaybird,

     You wouldn't have thought that  players win games by all the posters posting on what a loss it was for the Cards that Lester left. I agree with you. Players win games. Any defensive scheme can be successful. It depends on who you have on the field, carrying out the assignments, tackling and being fundamentally sound.
Indeed, Lester is a good coach. As you know, Wienke was the Cards  DC before Lester. Actually, Wienke's defenses were statistically better than Lester's. I think NT was probably as tired as I was with all the emphasis being put on Lester leaving NCC and how it was going to hurt the Cards. I am pretty sure NT's post was not a bash at all to Lester, but rather a compliment to Wienke for his defense playing so well after so many posters questioned whether they would play up to the level that they played the last couple of years under Lester. Am I right NT?

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[cardinaldad]

     The Cards looked very solid today. Especially defensively. Offensively, having the ball inside the 5 and coming away with no points does concern me, no matter what the conditions are. The Cards had MANY opportunities to put it in the endzone and failed. No surge at all by the o-line. I'm sure they will be working on their goal line offense this week. I'm still shaking my head at not scoring with more than a few opportunities from the 1 inch line. NCC could have very easily had 21 more points in this game.
     Like other OAC teams I've seen play, Ohio Northern's team speed impressed me very much. They closed REAL fast on defense. On one play, down by the goal line,  it looked like Sulo had a td running to the corner and a d-lineman caught him from behind. I'm not a betting man, but I would have bet that Sulo would never have been caught from behind on that play. Very impressive!

[cardinaldad]

What a good day for the CCIW. C'mon now North Park. Take it to Benedictine!

[orsky]

I thought penalties did hurt Wheaton today.  On a couple of different plays Gingg broke for good yardage and then the play came back due to flags.  Additionally, an early personal foul penalty on the offense backed them up when they were in the red zone.  In spite of that they still had some success in moving the ball and playing field position.

On the defensive side the line play was excellent and the linebackers flew to the ball.  Both teams struggled to sustain momentum with all of the dropped balls.  Passing was out of the question as both teams looked missed on open receivers.  The ball had to be incredibly hard to handle and I'm sure the weight/feel/wetness contributed to both QBs passing woes.

A great win for the Thunder in miserable conditions.

[ncc58]

A lot of posters here dinged the NCC defense with the late departure of Lester. The implied questions were does Wienke know the defense, would the scheme change, and would the players react negatively. I thought this was way over overblown. Wienke does know the defense and he also knows how to get the most of his players.

C'mon New Tradition,  have a little more class than that! 
Coaches will come and go, but it's really the PLAYERS that won the game, not the coach.
Lester, Wienke, Thorne, etc. are all good coaches.  The EC job was a great opportunity for Tim so who wouldn't accept a position like that?

Jaybird,

     You wouldn't have thought that  players win games by all the posters posting on what a loss it was for the Cards that Lester left. I agree with you. Players win games. Any defensive scheme can be successful. It depends on who you have on the field, carrying out the assignments, tackling and being fundamentally sound.
Indeed, Lester is a good coach. As you know, Wienke was the Cards  DC before Lester. Actually, Wienke's defenses were statistically better than Lester's. I think NT was probably as tired as I was with all the emphasis being put on Lester leaving NCC and how it was going to hurt the Cards. I am pretty sure NT's post was not a bash at all to Lester, but rather a compliment to Wienke for his defense playing so well after so many posters questioned whether they would play up to the level that they played the last couple of years under Lester. Am I right NT?

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[usee]

A lot of posters here dinged the NCC defense with the late departure of Lester. The implied questions were does Wienke know the defense, would the scheme change, and would the players react negatively. I thought this was way over overblown. Wienke does know the defense and he also knows how to get the most of his players.

C'mon New Tradition,  have a little more class than that! 
Coaches will come and go, but it's really the PLAYERS that won the game, not the coach.
Lester, Wienke, Thorne, etc. are all good coaches.  The EC job was a great opportunity for Tim so who wouldn't accept a position like that?

Jaybird,

     You wouldn't have thought that  players win games by all the posters posting on what a loss it was for the Cards that Lester left. I agree with you. Players win games. Any defensive scheme can be successful. It depends on who you have on the field, carrying out the assignments, tackling and being fundamentally sound.
Indeed, Lester is a good coach. As you know, Wienke was the Cards  DC before Lester. Actually, Wienke's defenses were statistically better than Lester's. I think NT was probably as tired as I was with all the emphasis being put on Lester leaving NCC and how it was going to hurt the Cards. I am pretty sure NT's post was not a bash at all to Lester, but rather a compliment to Wienke for his defense playing so well after so many posters questioned whether they would play up to the level that they played the last couple of years under Lester. Am I right NT?

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You guys are awfully sensitive. Show me the posts where NCC's defense was dinged??? I can tell you I led the charge on raising the "question" as to whether Lester's departure would have an impact. I think that's a pretty fair question and I don't think yesterday's performance has fully answered it. There is obviously a reason Weinke was removed as defensive coordinator for Lester.

My only question was whether they would continue to run the 3-3-5 or go back to weinke's 4-3. I thought a new scheme may be a set back. There was never any question about the quality of the ncc players. to the contrary I have stated on here Wenger may be the second defensive player in the conference. The fact ncc is staying with the 3-3-5 is a good sign but one game certainly doesn't answer all of the questions.

you guys are a bit too sensitive.

[usee]

On a weird day when rain was pelting the chicagoland there were at least 4 quarterbacks who threw for 6 touchdowns, 2 of them in the CCIW!! that has to be a record of some kind. Ladd and Evan Jones from Carthage threw for 6 TD's and Matt Hudson down at wabash also tossed 6 as did Mitch Niekamp of Illiniois college.

[Goal Line Stand]

Congrats on an impressive showing for the CCIW this week.

[Gregory Sager]

North Park dropped a close 10-7 contest to Rose-Hulman.  There were numerous fumbles throughout the game due to the rain and slick conditions.  The Vikings scored a TD on their first possession and missed a great opportunity late in the game, but a receiver couldn't bring in a Shelby Wood strike in the end zone, and a field goal attempt was low (possibly tipped at the line of scrimmage -- I couldn't tell for sure).

Some bright spots for North Park were the running game and the offensive line, which did a pretty good job of protecting Wood. 

The Vikings have a bye week before hosting Benedictine for homecoming on the 28th.

The FGA wasn't tipped; it just wasn't kicked very well. A 35-yarder isn't a gimme under any circumstances, much less in a monsoon, but that attempt was wobbly from the moment it left Andrew Weary's foot. It staggered end-over-end about three or four feet below the crossbar.

As Mr. B said, Jeremy Dybdahl's drop in the end zone -- and it was definitely a drop, going right through both of his hands when he had two steps on the CB -- with eight minutes left in the game, two plays before the missed FGA, spelled the difference. I'm loath to blame the entire game upon one player, especially when both teams had a lot of trouble hanging onto passes. It was impossible to keep the ball dry, even though it was swapped out on every play, and drops were pretty frequent (I dunno, maybe this game got a lot more rain than did Carthage's or IWU's -- it's otherwise hard to figure out the disparity in offensive outcomes, given the atrocious passing conditions). But on a day in which NPU outgained RHIT in total yards, 236-194, out-first-downed the Engineers, 14-11, and (IMHO) ever-so-slightly outplayed them, it was galling to slosh out of the stadium under the pall of a North Park loss.

Still, it was a fun game to watch. I love bad-weather football ... and I had a good umbrella.

Three Vikings whom I thought played outstanding games were freshman DT Luke Estes, sophomore linebacker Nils Lundgren, and freshman linebacker Rod Ojong.

[New Tradition]

C'mon New Tradition,  have a little more class than that! 
Coaches will come and go, but it's really the PLAYERS that won the game, not the coach.
Lester, Wienke, Thorne, etc. are all good coaches.  The EC job was a great opportunity for Tim so who wouldn't accept a position like that?

Jaybird,

     You wouldn't have thought that  players win games by all the posters posting on what a loss it was for the Cards that Lester left. I agree with you. Players win games. Any defensive scheme can be successful. It depends on who you have on the field, carrying out the assignments, tackling and being fundamentally sound.
Indeed, Lester is a good coach. As you know, Wienke was the Cards  DC before Lester. Actually, Wienke's defenses were statistically better than Lester's. I think NT was probably as tired as I was with all the emphasis being put on Lester leaving NCC and how it was going to hurt the Cards. I am pretty sure NT's post was not a bash at all to Lester, but rather a compliment to Wienke for his defense playing so well after so many posters questioned whether they would play up to the level that they played the last couple of years under Lester. Am I right NT?

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Absolutely right, Cardinaldad!  I could not have said it better myself.

[cardinaldad]

A lot of posters here dinged the NCC defense with the late departure of Lester. The implied questions were does Wienke know the defense, would the scheme change, and would the players react negatively. I thought this was way over overblown. Wienke does know the defense and he also knows how to get the most of his players.

C'mon New Tradition,  have a little more class than that! 
Coaches will come and go, but it's really the PLAYERS that won the game, not the coach.
Lester, Wienke, Thorne, etc. are all good coaches.  The EC job was a great opportunity for Tim so who wouldn't accept a position like that?

Jaybird,

     You wouldn't have thought that  players win games by all the posters posting on what a loss it was for the Cards that Lester left. I agree with you. Players win games. Any defensive scheme can be successful. It depends on who you have on the field, carrying out the assignments, tackling and being fundamentally sound.
Indeed, Lester is a good coach. As you know, Wienke was the Cards  DC before Lester. Actually, Wienke's defenses were statistically better than Lester's. I think NT was probably as tired as I was with all the emphasis being put on Lester leaving NCC and how it was going to hurt the Cards. I am pretty sure NT's post was not a bash at all to Lester, but rather a compliment to Wienke for his defense playing so well after so many posters questioned whether they would play up to the level that they played the last couple of years under Lester. Am I right NT?

modified for spelling!

You guys are awfully sensitive. Show me the posts where NCC's defense was dinged??? I can tell you I led the charge on raising the "question" as to whether Lester's departure would have an impact. I think that's a pretty fair question and I don't think yesterday's performance has fully answered it. There is obviously a reason Weinke was removed as defensive coordinator for Lester.

My only question was whether they would continue to run the 3-3-5 or go back to weinke's 4-3. I thought a new scheme may be a set back. There was never any question about the quality of the ncc players. to the contrary I have stated on here Wenger may be the second defensive player in the conference. The fact ncc is staying with the 3-3-5 is a good sign but one game certainly doesn't answer all of the questions.

you guys are a bit too sensitive.

usee,

    You and a few others led the charge about the impact of Lester leaving and how it would effect the defense. It may have some effect, but I don't believe to the magnatude some people posted. Wienke has proven that he can coach. Former players posted that they believed in him and his coaching abilities. His defenses have been very successful. Statistically better than Lester's. I don't believe, as you say, that there is an OBVIOUS reason reason why he was removed as DC. How can you say that? Do you have an insider? It is known the Thorne and Lester have had a long time relationship. Lester has been an offensive coach. Was Thorne going to remove his son, also a successful coach, from being the OC?
    I never said the NCC defense was dinged. I believe only midwest fb was the only poster to state that. But, now that you mention it, in a way the NCC D was kind of dinged. Implying that a new scheme might effect the players is kind of a ding. As you know, many different defensive schemes are successful. There were quite a few questions raised whether Lester's defense would cut it when he was hired. The success comes from the skill level of the players, how fundamentally sound they are, how well they know their assignments along with some other intangibles like coaching adjustments, talent evaluations,etc. At this level, it's who you have on the field, how fundamentally sound they are and how well they know thier assignments. Not so much the scheme or how changing it will have a negative impact on the players.  That can be drilled and drilled in practice to ensure that players  can go 100% without hesitation. That is where coaching comes in. We are simply stating that we have all the confidence in Wienke, whether he keeps the scheme, changes it back, uses a combination or uses a new one.