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[usee]

Usee.....are you kidding?  Have you ever played on slippery field?  Ittersagen didn't need any blocking because the tacklers got no footing to make the play.  On a wet slippery field the runner has a huge advantage because he is NOT in react mode...he dictating play by what he is proacively doing.  The kicking team must react and shift their weight quickly which causes footing issues.  Watch the tape.  It is my opinion that Bethel was the superior team and they would have won on a reasonable field.  You don't want to share that opinion because you are a Wheaton loyalist,, but so am I and I think got lucky with a wet field of play.  My opinion.....and by the way, it was the opinion of the people around me.   

If you take this weak argument to it's ultimate end, no defense should EVER be able to stop an offense in a game played during rain or snow.  On a wet field, the offense doesn't even need to block.  The defenders will just fall down for you.

If I remember right, that's pretty much what you used to do Mugsy. (I had to beat Cardinal Alum to it!)

[Pat Coleman]

Hey, you can't delete a post that I am responding to!  Well, I guess you can, but it makes it harder for me to disagree! 

Good thing you quoted it.

[Mugsy]

When Mugsy gets to 2000 posts(again) I wonder if he will remember the little people that got him to that lofty status?  

Doubtful. 

Why do you think Pat & Co deleted all those posts across the D3 landscape?  Because the database had grown too big?  Yet right... it was a futile attempt to keep me humble.

Question is... what must be done now that usee has crossed 3000?

I measure my posts in time spent on the internet, not number of posts. It's a much more exact statistical analysis of the impact you are making and the lack of meaning in your life.

23 days 7 hours and 12 minutes as of this post. It's the post-up bus, get on it.

You sure it isn't the exaggerated time necessary to type with those meaty paws and form readable sentences?

[Mr. Ypsi]

When Mugsy gets to 2000 posts(again) I wonder if he will remember the little people that got him to that lofty status?  

Doubtful. 

Why do you think Pat & Co deleted all those posts across the D3 landscape?  Because the database had grown too big?  Yet right... it was a futile attempt to keep me humble.

Question is... what must be done now that usee has crossed 3000?

It has to be a conspiracy....usee must be in on it!!   

Just trying to get to 2000 quickly so I can rule the world.

I lost well over 400 posts to the 'board cleansing'.

Mugsy, even 4 times 2000 doesn't let you rule anything; just makes posters comment on your wasted life!

[usee]

When Mugsy gets to 2000 posts(again) I wonder if he will remember the little people that got him to that lofty status?  

Doubtful. 

Why do you think Pat & Co deleted all those posts across the D3 landscape?  Because the database had grown too big?  Yet right... it was a futile attempt to keep me humble.

Question is... what must be done now that usee has crossed 3000?

I measure my posts in time spent on the internet, not number of posts. It's a much more exact statistical analysis of the impact you are making and the lack of meaning in your life.

23 days 7 hours and 12 minutes as of this post. It's the post-up bus, get on it.

You sure it isn't the exaggerated time necessary to type with those meaty paws and form readable sentences?

Pat can take my posts but he can't take my time!!

[Mugsy]

Pat can take my posts but he can't take my time!!

It has taken about 3 years, but most of us can stomach your posts now as well.

What has gotten into me this afternoon?

[Mr. Ypsi]

When Mugsy gets to 2000 posts(again) I wonder if he will remember the little people that got him to that lofty status?  

Doubtful. 

Why do you think Pat & Co deleted all those posts across the D3 landscape?  Because the database had grown too big?  Yet right... it was a futile attempt to keep me humble.

Question is... what must be done now that usee has crossed 3000?

I measure my posts in time spent on the internet, not number of posts. It's a much more exact statistical analysis of the impact you are making and the lack of meaning in your life.

23 days 7 hours and 12 minutes as of this post. It's the post-up bus, get on it.

usee, ya gotta retire so you can devote quality time to the site - I'm at 119 days, 6 hours, and counting!

[letsplay2]

CCIW, I don't see how you can say Ittersagen had any advantage over the defense.  Maybe when a ball carrier and defender are one on one in the open field the ball carrier has a slight advantage because the defender has to react, but on a punt return, the ball carrier has to react to many different defenders going after him from every direction.  He is reacting to the defenders just as much as the defenders are reacting to him.

As for the game, in my opinion i don't think anyone can state that Bethel was the superior team.  Wheaton has a very balanced offense being able to run to set up the pass, or vice versa.  But when they have to rely on one more than the other against a quality opponent, things start to fall apart, especially with a young back and line.  On the other hand, with Bethel returning flannery, having a new starting QB (who was at one point a receiver for the royals) the loss of Kyle Lee who led the royals in TD receptions the last 3 years in a row, and a solid line, Bethel is clearly a team that will rely on the run.  Because of this, the conditions gave Bethel a slight advantage and Wheaton was able to hold them to just one touchdown.  I don't think you could tell a whole lot from this game, but I do find it hard to believe anyone could believe Bethel was a "superior" team.

[cardinaldad]

Wheaton got real lucky on that score. 

Right, and I'm sure it was also by pure luck that he was named an All-American return man.

I do agree that it would have been nice to see such a great matchup played under better conditions, but a win is a win and bad weather, like it or not, is part of the game.

Did you watch the return?  The Bethel special team guys were falling down, unable to cut to make the tackle.  Nice return by our All American player, but there is no way that would have happened with a field in reasonable condition.  Sometimes you get lucky when a game is dictated by the weather.  I think Bethel was a better team and the game stats show that.   

I'm not sure we know which team is better.  Poor field conditions level the "playing field" considerably.  Making statements as to how it would have played out on a dry field (in either direction) is purely conjecture. 

Looking at Bethel stats, it's not like they were setting the world on fire either.  You can win nearly every statistical category, but if you turn the ball over more times against comparable opponents, more often than not you will lose - even if you look like a superior team.

BTW: Luck plays a role in virtually every game regardless of conditions - sometimes in a small way, sometimes in a significant way.

The last comment I have is... how can you be so sure that Ittersagen wouldn't have returned a punt on a dry field when all players have sure footing.  He has done so a number of times before, and if I were a betting man he'll do so again this year.

I agree with you on every point here Mugsy...especially the point about Ittersagan. He is special. He will hurt a few teams this year with his returns.

Congrats to Ittersagan for CCIW player of the week honors!

[cardinaldad]

Usee.....are you kidding?  Have you ever played on slippery field?  Ittersagen didn't need any blocking because the tacklers got no footing to make the play.  On a wet slippery field the runner has a huge advantage because he is NOT in react mode...he dictating play by what he is proacively doing.  The kicking team must react and shift their weight quickly which causes footing issues.  Watch the tape.  It is my opinion that Bethel was the superior team and they would have won on a reasonable field.  You don't want to share that opinion because you are a Wheaton loyalist,, but so am I and I think got lucky with a wet field of play.  My opinion.....and by the way, it was the opinion of the people around me.   

So what exactly are you arguing?  Wheaton isn't that good?  Ittersagen?  Both?  Ittersagen is one of the best I have seen in this conference and he has made a lot of people miss in his career.  Just because the field was wet, doesn't mean that it was easy to return it all the way.  I know, I didn't see it, but I somehow doubt that everyone slipped and the whole punt team was slipping on the turf.  Can't believe I'm defending a Wheatie against another Wheatie!! 

Reminds me  on one Gayle Sayers on one muddy afternoon against the 49's. He scored six touchdowns that day, including kick and/or punt return(s?). It appeared as if he was on solid ground and everyone else was playing in slop. No one can explain it. Sayers was great...Ittersagan is great. End of story!

[cardinaldad]

Congratulations to Evan Jones of Carthage, Randy Wright of Elmhurst and Pete Ittersagen (opponent of Bethel) for this week's POW honors.

Ittersagen, a senior cornerback from Wheaton, Ill., and Wheaton North High School, came through in the Thunder's 10-7 win against fifth-ranked Bethel on Saturday. Ittersagen amassed 127 total return yards in the game (the same amount of total offensive yards in the game for Wheaton). He returned three punts for 106 yards, including a 65-yard punt return for Wheaton's lone touchdown in the victory. He also had a 21-yard kickoff return. His touchdown marked the fourth time in Ittersagen's career that he returned a punt for a touchdown to set a new Wheaton career record and also tie the school career record for touchdown returns (kickoff/punt).

But he was lucky because it was a slippery field.

Read the small print usee.

Now that is funny. I don't care who you are! Few posts make me laugh out loud. This one did! Thanks!

[Carthage Fan]

OK let's settle this once and for all....

1. Wheaton won, get over it,
2. Ittersagen is a stud, get over it,
3. Carthage put up 70 points...sorry just had to get that in!   

[Mugsy]

OK let's settle this once and for all....

1. Wheaton won, get over it,
2. Ittersagen is a stud, get over it,
3. Carthage put up 70 points...sorry just had to get that in!   

We're over it.  In case you haven't caught the "tone" of the posts, most at this point are light-hearted mockery of one another.   

Carthage scored 70!  Hmm... wow, I hadn't noticed.

[usee]

OK let's settle this once and for all....

1. Wheaton won, get over it,
2. Ittersagen is a stud, get over it,
3. Carthage put up 70 points...sorry just had to get that in!   

a few predictions:

Carthage will not be the highest scoring team in the conference
Carthage won't score 70 again this season
Carthage will have at least 2 games where they score less than 20
Carthage better learn to play some defense or they won't win many conference games
Carthage may give up 70 to ittersagen

[D306]

I am a Albion Fan

Anybody care to give me the lowdown on Milliken and the area.
Will be coming into town Friday night. Were do we eat and catch a Friday night game on the big screen?

Albion is young and improving, Junior and Sophmore dominated line-up on defense.
Fast on defense, good Dline 7-8 regulars in rotation, had a shutout last weekend.
Young on Oline, but has good size, fast RB whom had 160+ yards in a heavy rain last weekend. Ball control and ball security have been great no turnovers yet this season.
Offense is still developing, banged up team last year lead to worst season in memory. Only positive out of last season was the playing time for the sophmores whom are now starters as juniors this year.
Like to run first and control tempo of game. Solid kicking game.
Have already forced 4-5 fumbles so they like to get after it on defense.

Thanks maybe the MIAA can get a win or two as the CCIW has had the better of this non-conference mix lately.