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[usee]

This couldn't be the same conference SID that hasn't submitted the leading qb in the country's stats to the NCAA could it?

It's laughable whatever process is used to pick the POW. I could care less if Wheaton's qb got it or not but Norris and Wood both deserved it before Podulka this week. Who knows what the criteria is but this isn't the first example of a total whiff due to inattention to detail. Same thing happened last year at least 2x. Ladd and Wenger I believe were robbed.

Mugsy, pay no attention to Dennis the troll. He has had nothing to root for in 100yrs when the Cubs were good. Just a bitter old man.


By the way, Podulka has passed for more yards than he has run for in every game this year. and he has had 2 very similar stat games prior to this one. I would buy the better competition arguement if it were actually true. Look at the history of the award and there is no defense for that theory.

[Mugsy]

I think that Podulka got the opow award because of the shock  that an augie quarterback could have those stats.  He had  more passing yards(194) than rushing yards (60)and more passing attempts(18) than rushing attempts (16). td's were same. (1)  And that he had a triple digit qb rating.

+K for you - I agree - he did it against an undefeated opponent on the road - and a team that was highly ranked in total defense.

Just a little Wheaton waa waa - when they don't get all the toys.

dgp

Again while I am a Wheaton alum and the QB in question was from Wheaton, why do you assume I'm upset because a Wheaton player didn't win.  Have I complained during any other week this year (or any year for that matter) where Wheaton did not win any of these honors?  

I would have stated my amazement regardless of what team the QB played for.  It just so happens that since I watch Wheaton more closely I happen to be more aware of the outstanding game Norris had against North Park.  94% completion and a QB rating of 260, despite playing against one of the weaker football programs in the country, is still impressive.

Not to take anything away from the Augie player (I did give my sincere congrats in a previous post), but while Elmhurst was previously undefeated and their defense was highly ranked, you need to take into consideration who Elmhurst has played to this point to garner that ranking.  In the weeks to come we will find out that Elmhurst, while having a decent defense, is not a top ranked defense in the country.

Talk about a having chip on shoulder anytime anyone mentions something positive about Wheaton.  Gimme a break! 

I believe I've been able to add to the discussion on this board over the years and provide some objective thought.

Touchy we are.  The Wheaton nerve has been pressed - and the alarm has gone off once again in the bat cave.

There's always that little tender nerve isn't there?

For the record - Wheaton has a great athletic program.  They contend for a CCIW title in almost every sport.  I continue to have many, many friends who are both Wheaton alums and employees at Wheaton.  Go Blue and Orange.

But there's always that little turn of the nose upward....

If the shoe fits - it's okay to wear it.

If you don't think you are - good for you.

dgp

It is difficult to fully comprehend the "tone" of an email or chat board post.  I was merely trying to convey (in somewhat animated terms) that the arrogance you were applying to my previous post was not warranted (at least in this case).

Yes, you hit a nerve because I strive toward acting and communicating with integrity - though I fail more than I'd like.  I am fully aware of the perception of arrogance that many attribute to Wheaton and anyone who attended Wheaton.  In many cases it is valid.  As a result I have always attempted to speak, think and act in a way that does not align with that perception.

Besides... I have a wife from North Park and have attended a Covenant Church all my life.  I have many people to hold me accountable if I wander into the realm of "there is nothing better than Wheaton..."     This doesn't begin to take into consideration all the posters here who love to keep me humble.  Just look at CardinalAlum's profile... 

Core to all this is that I forgot "King Dennis" posts primarily to get a rise out of people...

I've taken enough space on this board regarding this... back to week #6 match ups.

[wheels81]

I think that Podulka got the opow award because of the shock  that an augie quarterback could have those stats.  He had  more passing yards(194) than rushing yards (60)and more passing attempts(18) than rushing attempts (16). td's were same. (1)  And that he had a triple digit qb rating.

+K for you - I agree - he did it against an undefeated opponent on the road - and a


Just a little Wheaton waa waa - when they don't get all the toys.

dgp

Again while I am a Wheaton alum and the QB in question was from Wheaton, why do you assume I'm upset because a Wheaton player didn't win.  Have I complained during any other week this year (or any year for that matter) where Wheaton did not win any of these honors?  

I would have stated my amazement regardless of what team the QB played for.  It just so happens that since I watch Wheaton more closely I happen to be more aware of the outstanding game Norris had against North Park.  94% completion and a QB rating of 260, despite playing against one of the weaker football programs in the country, is still impressive.

Not to take anything away from the Augie player (I did give my sincere congrats in a previous post), but while Elmhurst was previously undefeated and their defense was highly ranked, you need to take into consideration who Elmhurst has played to this point to garner that ranking.  In the weeks to come we will find out that Elmhurst, while having a decent defense, is not a top ranked defense in the country.

Talk about a having chip on shoulder anytime anyone mentions something positive about Wheaton.  Gimme a break! 

I believe I've been able to add to the discussion on this board over the years and provide some objective thought.

Touchy we are.  The Wheaton nerve has been pressed - and the alarm has gone off once again in the bat cave.

There's always that little tender nerve isn't there?

For the record - Wheaton has a great athletic program.  They contend for a CCIW title in almost every sport.  I continue to have many, many friends who are both Wheaton alums and employees at Wheaton.  Go Blue and Orange.


But there's always that little turn of the nose upward....


If the shoe fits - it's okay to wear it.

If you don't think you are - good for you.

dgp

I have no idea what you're talking about the little turn of the nose I think that is a little too stereotypy (sp).  Maybe a little class envy on your part  
Btw was that GS reporting on TBS during ALCS.  Sounded like Greg Sager.

Oh, Craig sager,,,sorry my bad.

I don't think it's fair to stereo type Wheaton as whiners. I think every school has their share of whiners.  I.E.  Norm at IWU football   Bill Harris at Wheaton bball, etc.

I wouldn't put much into the who gets _______  questions.  The bottom line is that all these pre-reg. and post- season honors/awards are all opinion and somebody thought highly enough of that person to nominate him/her.

Watch it Jaybird I wouldn't characterize Harris as a whiner, not even close.  I think you mistyped you probably meant to say winner, just a little consonant trouble is all.

[Neverwas]

Maybe Norris didn't get the award because of his supporting cast.  I believe Gingg rushed for 119 yards on 19 carries with 3 TD's...that is pretty good in 2+ quarters as well.  NPU's QB was playing against a second and third string defense....that is just my opinion.  take or leave it.

[usee]

Maybe Norris didn't get the award because of his supporting cast.  I believe Gingg rushed for 119 yards on 19 carries with 3 TD's...that is pretty good in 2+ quarters as well.  NPU's QB was playing against a second and third string defense....that is just my opinion.  take or leave it.

I wish there was that much thought put into it. That would be fine with me.

[oldnuthin]

Being new to the board, I have t enjoyed the progression  of the converation from pastors to which school is more haughty, covenant or the billy graham school to wives and mixed marriages. Great stuff. dont know the difference between the two theologically but it sure makes for fun posting. Went with a friend to the carthage game Saturday-Carthage D very impressive hard hitting group against the pass. Wesleyan should have run the ball more, they were doing well with it when they did. IWU D could not stop them on third downs in the first half and never made the adjustments needed in the second half to to stop the bleeding. Great stadium, i really like the grass field and a good crowd.

[FormerCard]

Sounds like there was one good game this weekend and that was the IWU/Carthage Game.
I don't often look ahead, never as a player, but as a fan, I think I can bring up the thought for discussion. 
In just under 3 weeks we could have a 6-0 NC traveling to a 6-0 Wheaton with alot on the line.

Does anyone remember the last time 2 top 10 ranked nationally CCIW teams played in a regular season matchup?   

Does NC come in as the dog?  I would say Wheaton -3.5, because they are playing at home, but I don't know...provided both teams win out, NC will NOT be ranked ahead of Wheaton going into the matchup, yet WERE the preseason favorite in the CCIW.

Again, before anyone jumps on me for looking ahead, I will say it again..this is only if both teams win the next 2 weeks and they are very capable of doing so.

[Carthage Fan]

Went with a friend to the carthage game Saturday-Carthage D very impressive hard hitting group against the pass. Wesleyan should have run the ball more, they were doing well with it when they did.

Lanter ran for 93 yds on 19 carries, 1 for 26, so, we held him the rest of the time to 18 carries for 67 yds or 3.7 yds per carry.    The defense Carthage ran seemed to be geared against the pass.  In that set you are bound to give up a run here and there but all in all good D against the run too.  Maybe it would have worked.   

[Carthage Fan]

Sounds like there was one good game this weekend and that was the IWU/Carthage Game.
I don't often look ahead, never as a player, but as a fan, I think I can bring up the thought for discussion. 
In just under 3 weeks we could have a 6-0 NC traveling to a 6-0 Wheaton with alot on the line.

Does anyone remember the last time 2 top 10 ranked nationally CCIW teams played in a regular season matchup?   

Does NC come in as the dog?  I would say Wheaton -3.5, because they are playing at home, but I don't know...provided both teams win out, NC will NOT be ranked ahead of Wheaton going into the matchup, yet WERE the preseason favorite in the CCIW.

Again, before anyone jumps on me for looking ahead, I will say it again..this is only if both teams win the next 2 weeks and they are very capable of doing so.

They each play a team over the next 2 weeks that could beat them and I hope that does happen! 

[oldnuthin]

Went with a friend to the carthage game Saturday-Carthage D very impressive hard hitting group against the pass. Wesleyan should have run the ball more, they were doing well with it when they did.

Lanter ran for 93 yds on 19 carries, 1 for 26, so, we held him the rest of the time to 18 carries for 67 yds or 3.7 yds per carry.    The defense Carthage ran seemed to be geared against the pass.  In that set you are bound to give up a run here and there but all in all good D against the run too.  Maybe it would have worked.   

I dont think that by eliminating one run to reduce the yards per carry is a fair arguement as to wether running the ball was effective. Most backs who rush for high yardage usually have a long run or two mixed in with their 2 and three yard runs. If you took that as a negative against the Carthage D, it was not intended that way. With the amount of blitzing the D did in that game it seemed to me that a draw or shovel pass, which carthage used at least ten times, might have produced better results. If I remember correctly most of the pressure on the IWU QB came from blitzing. As to the carthage d being set for the pass, so was IWU D, they just didnt make the adjustment to stop Carthage on third downs. Most third down plays involved something in the middle of the field, either a pass or shovel pass after the receivers had cleared out the middle.

[New Tradition]

I was just thinking...where has Billy Pilgrim/REDMAN04ISMYDADDY! been?  We haven't heard from him in quite some time...

I grounded him!

That's funny.  Remind me to give you karma in 26 more posts!

[usee]

I agree you can't factor out 1 play and then look at the stats. The fact is Lanter averaged 4.9 yds per attempt vs his usual 3.8 yds per attmpt (Winston was at 4.0 yds per) so the arguement IWU could have run more carries some weight in my mind. ( although I was not at the game)

[Carthage Fan]

Went with a friend to the carthage game Saturday-Carthage D very impressive hard hitting group against the pass. Wesleyan should have run the ball more, they were doing well with it when they did.

Lanter ran for 93 yds on 19 carries, 1 for 26, so, we held him the rest of the time to 18 carries for 67 yds or 3.7 yds per carry.    The defense Carthage ran seemed to be geared against the pass.  In that set you are bound to give up a run here and there but all in all good D against the run too.  Maybe it would have worked.   

I dont think that by eliminating one run to reduce the yards per carry is a fair arguement as to wether running the ball was effective. Most backs who rush for high yardage usually have a long run or two mixed in with their 2 and three yard runs. If you took that as a negative against the Carthage D, it was not intended that way. With the amount of blitzing the D did in that game it seemed to me that a draw or shovel pass, which carthage used at least ten times, might have produced better results. If I remember correctly most of the pressure on the IWU QB came from blitzing. As to the carthage d being set for the pass, so was IWU D, they just didnt make the adjustment to stop Carthage on third downs. Most third down plays involved something in the middle of the field, either a pass or shovel pass after the receivers had cleared out the middle.

Old, I didn't take it as a negative.  I just thought we played pretty good D against the run.  Now a draw or shovel pass (which scares the heck out of me when I see it) might have been a different story.  Still I think anytime you keep a good RB under 100 yds you had a good day.

[Carthage Fan]

I agree you can't factor out 1 play and then look at the stats. The fact is Lanter averaged 4.9 yds per attempt vs his usual 3.8 yds per attmpt (Winston was at 4.0 yds per) so the arguement IWU could have run more carries some weight in my mind. ( although I was not at the game)

OK it may be a bad way to look at the stats, but, I still think keeping Lanter under 100yds was a good day for our D.  My story and I am sticking to it.   The key.....W for Carthage

[usee]

Sounds like there was one good game this weekend and that was the IWU/Carthage Game.
I don't often look ahead, never as a player, but as a fan, I think I can bring up the thought for discussion. 
In just under 3 weeks we could have a 6-0 NC traveling to a 6-0 Wheaton with alot on the line.

Does anyone remember the last time 2 top 10 ranked nationally CCIW teams played in a regular season matchup?   

Does NC come in as the dog?  I would say Wheaton -3.5, because they are playing at home, but I don't know...provided both teams win out, NC will NOT be ranked ahead of Wheaton going into the matchup, yet WERE the preseason favorite in the CCIW.

Again, before anyone jumps on me for looking ahead, I will say it again..this is only if both teams win the next 2 weeks and they are very capable of doing so.

I don't think it has happened. Wheaton will have to get past Augie in Rock Island this week and Millikin at home next week.

The school 8 miles south will have to beat the vikings in chicago this saturday and Carthage at home next weekend to set up the historic game.