FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Tailgater]

I'm not complaining........but in all the years I've been involved in football, I've never seen of or heard of an offensive face mask penalty on a running back giving a stiff arm. Have any of you? I wasn't close enough to actually see the face-masking. I just have never heard of it.

Offensive face masking is called when the offending player is believed by the official to actually grasp the face mask while stiff arming rather than open handed push off the face mask.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Week 7 results and week 8 slate are up on pickems.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat,

Any chance of you coming to the game?

I'd say maybe a 25% chance. We'll see how my week stacks up. Kind of a long trip but not impossible, to be sure.

[Carthage Fan]

I'm not complaining........but in all the years I've been involved in football, I've never seen of or heard of an offensive face mask penalty on a running back giving a stiff arm. Have any of you? I wasn't close enough to actually see the face-masking. I just have never heard of it.

Offensive face masking is called when the offending player is believed by the official to actually grasp the face mask while stiff arming rather than open handed push off the face mask.

Correct!

No player shall grasp the face mask or any helmet opening of an
opponent. The open hand may be used legally on the mask (A.R. 9-1-2-
XV).

[Gregory Sager]

Jacob Mueller is a sturdy running back, just didn't have a lot of help on the O-Line.  He made some solid runs and (at times) was the only offense for NPU.

Yeah, right.

Mueller rushed for 155 yards. NPU had 371 yards in total offense. Do the math. The Vikings O-line must've been doing something right, and somebody besides Mueller must've been contributing on offense, because the way I see it, 155 =/= 371. Of course, that bozo of a broadcast partner of yours said on the air that North Park got "a third of its total offense on fake punts", so I guess that we can account for most of the missing 216 yards that way, right?

(In case anyone's wondering, North Park gained a total of 41 yards on those two fake punts.)

I also have to say, Mark, that I wasn't particularly thrilled with your third-quarter editorial about how North Park needs to leave the CCIW and move to the NAthCon. A few days ago I brought up the old adage, "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones," and I guess that it's time to trot out that adage again. While you were pointing fingers at NPU's athletic futility, you failed to point out that the only sport in which Elmhurst has been able to win a CCIW title over the past three years has been wrestling. And wrestling, in case you haven't noticed, is a sport in which only five of the eight CCIW schools participate. A CCIW wrestling title is therefore more like a half-title. At least NPU has been winning titles in a sport (men's soccer) in which not only all eight schools compete, but which has been sharply competitive since Wheaton's hegemony in the sport was brought to an end earlier in the decade. Heck, NPU beat Elmhurst twice last week -- once in men's soccer and once in women's soccer.

If a fan of one of the big boys in the conference (i.e., Augustana or Wheaton) wants to take a jab at NPU's lackluster all-sports performance, there's not really much of a reply that I or any other North Park supporter can offer. But for a couple of Elmhurst broadcasters to go on the air and say that NPU can't cut the mustard and should get out of the conference ... well, physician, heal thyself.

Other than that, I don't have much of a dispute with the way that you called the game. You did get a few facts wrong; you said that NPU recruits Covenant kids to play football, but the out-of-staters Scott Pethtel is bringing in aren't Covies ... oh, and the name of NPU's parent denomination is the Evangelical Covenant Church, not "Swedish Covenant" (that's the name of the denomination's hospital in Chicago). Aside from those minor inaccuracies and your third-quarter diatribe about North Park athletics I thought that your PBP was fine. But, as I said in here on Saturday afternoon, your partner is seriously lacking in class and professionalism. His giggling when NPU wasn't able to punch it in from the one-yard-line on its first three tries late in the fourth quarter before finally succeeding on fourth down; his interjection that Elmhurst ought to throw the ball long and try for another score at the end of the game after NPU had attempted an onside kick in the final minute; his statement that a Vikings player who was down on the field with the trainers looking after him was not getting up because "his pride was hurt"; and his sneering attitude towards the Vikings in general, were a disgrace.

As I said on Saturday, I'm well aware that the Vikings are young, undertalented, lacking in depth, and struggling. We're all aware of NPU's shortcomings on the gridiron; there's no getting around it, and nobody on the NPU side is trying to deny it. It's the responsibility of an on-air analyst to point out those things. But taking glee in them is another matter. I'd expect as much from a student broadcaster on WONC or WETN; to hear it from a non-student whom one would think would bring decorum and at least a modicum of objectivity to the table was really disappointing. I turned off the radio on Saturday convinced that your partner had fumbled the ball a lot worse than had the NPU football team.

[CardinalAlum]

Here's a serious question for my Wheatie buddies......Is tailgating allowed in the parking lots? 

[SonsofThunder]

Yes sir.  Tailgating is allowed in the parking lot.

[Tailgater]

Here's a serious question for my Wheatie buddies......Is tailgating allowed in the parking lots? 

The parking lot at the Billy Graham Center is the place we've always set-up shop. The lot is just across the street from the West endzone. You can view the game from there if so desired.

[79jaybird]

Greg,  just so you know I wasn't too thrilled with the way my color guy "operated" if you will on Saturday either.  He's in his first year and each week I am trying to help him  get better in the booth.  While it helps that he has seen the game from both as a player and a coach, sometimes that gets in the way too.  I feel sometimes he tends to "beat on a dead horse" which even if you might think that way- but you can never say on the air or in public.

As you know, I am a fan of North Park and I would love to see the Vikings be able to compete each week.  I don't like seeing NPU get spanked each week, as I have been there before.  In fact, North Park beat us a few times when I was at Elmhurst as a player.

Case in point, my color guy will learn when/what/how to say things and that will come. 

While it doesn't happen often, I have been in games where our RB or FB has been flagged for an offensive facemask.  Usually it's when he tries to stiff arm and thrash down a defenseman or sometimes I have seen where an RB loses his balance trying to cut, and inadvertently yanks the opposition's facemask.   

And Greg-  I only suggested, never indicated that NPU should leave the CCIW.  There was a timeout on the field, we don't have commercials, so just as "filler time" I asked my color analyst for his opinion(s) regarding North Park and the CCIW.  In past broadcasts I have said the same thing about Elmhurst.  In fact, I recall a few years ago when Augie was posting lopsided scores against EC talking about whether it makes sense for EC to stay in a conference where they haven't been competitive against (x team) for (x years).
I can agree with you being upset that my color guy was beating a dead horse.  I agree that is pretty low.  But I don't agree with you disagreeing with an opinion that is just that-opinion- and not something you agree with. 

[robertgoulet]

Here's a serious question for my Wheatie buddies......Is tailgating allowed in the parking lots? 

The parking lot at the Billy Graham Center is the place we've always set-up shop. The lot is just across the street from the West endzone. You can view the game from there if so desired.

Well, that settles it. I suppose that is where Goulet and his band will be on Saturday. Here's hoping for stellar weather!

Goulet.

[usee]

For the big game in Wheaton, here is some info for you closet analysts (sorry the formatting is bad, I have no clue how to do it on here):

SCORE BY QUARTERS     1st  2nd  3rd  4th    Total
--------------------  ---  ---  ---  ---      ---
Wheaton College.....   48   75   57   44  -   224
Naperville..........        45   76   48   34  -   203


Category (conference rank)      Wheaton      Naperville

Scoring offense                       1) 37.3         2) 33.8
Scoring defense                      2) 12.3         1) 11.8
Pass O yds game/play              5) 220/9.3     4) 225/8.5
Pass D yds game/play              1) 173.5/5.7   2) 184.3/5.2
Rush O yds game/play              1)195.2/4.8    2) 188.3/5.0
Rush D yds game/play              2)80.7/2.5      1) 61.7/2.1
Total O yds game/play             1) 414.8/6.4    2) 413.3/6.5
Total D yds game/play              2) 254/4.0      1)246/3.8
1st downs                              4)118            3)120
Pass efficiency                        1)154.7         2)146.8
Turnovers take/give                  2)+3 12/9      1)+5  14/9
Kick  return net yds per             2) 23.3         1)26.2
Punt net yds per                      3)34.7          1)38.4
Punt return                             1)17.5          3)13.6
Sacks by                                5) 11           6) 13
Sacks against                          1) 2            3) 6
Penalties yds game                   5) 61           8 ) 89
Red Zone O                             3) 77.4%      4)74.1%
Red Zone D                             1) 47.1%      4) 75%
3rd down conversions                1)44%         6)37%
4th down conversions                1)78%         6)37%

Rushing:
Gingg    98.3 yds; 4.6 yds per carry      
Sulo   98.3 yds; 6.3 yds per carry

Passing:
Fanthorpe 192.8 yds; 59.3%; 10 TD; 4 INT; 224.2 total offense; 157.4 efficiency
Norris        192.5 yds; 58.5%; 11 TD; 5 INT;228.7 total offense; 158.8 efficiency

Receiving:
Pokorny 25 catches; 86.8 yds per; 8 TD; 20.8 yds per
Hlavac   26 catches; 61 yds per; 2 TD; 14.1 yds per


Known injuries:
Naperville: WR Matt Jones, OL Wes Welnack, WR Perry Welch, WR Joe Rubin
Wheaton: DT Nick Theobald, C Michael Orr

[New Tradition]

For the big game in Wheaton, here is some info for you closet analysts (sorry the formatting is bad, I have no clue how to do it on here):

SCORE BY QUARTERS     1st  2nd  3rd  4th    Total
--------------------  ---  ---  ---  ---      ---
Wheaton College.....   48   75   57   44  -   224
Naperville..........        45   76   48   34  -   203


Category (conference rank)      Wheaton      Naperville

Scoring offense                       1) 37.3         2) 33.8
Scoring defense                      2) 12.3         1) 11.8
Pass O yds game/play              5) 220/9.3     4) 225/8.5
Pass D yds game/play              1) 173.5/5.7   2) 184.3/5.2
Rush O yds game/play              1)195.2/4.8    2) 188.3/5.0
Rush D yds game/play              2)80.7/2.5      1) 61.7/2.1
Total O yds game/play             1) 414.8/6.4    2) 413.3/6.5
Total D yds game/play              2) 254/4.0      1)246/3.8
1st downs                              4)118            3)120
Pass efficiency                        1)154.7         2)146.8
Turnovers take/give                  2)+3 12/9      1)+5  14/9
Kick  return net yds per             2) 23.3         1)26.2
Punt net yds per                      3)34.7          1)38.4
Punt return                             1)17.5          3)13.6
Sacks by                                5) 11           6) 13
Sacks against                          1) 2            3) 6
Penalties yds game                   5) 61           8 ) 89
Red Zone O                             3) 77.4%      4)74.1%
Red Zone D                             1) 47.1%      4) 75%
3rd down conversions                1)44%         6)37%
4th down conversions                1)78%         6)37%

Rushing:
Gingg    98.3 yds; 4.6 yds per carry      
Sulo   98.3 yds; 6.3 yds per carry

Passing:
Fanthorpe 192.8 yds; 59.3%; 10 TD; 4 INT; 224.2 total offense; 157.4 efficiency
Norris        192.5 yds; 58.5%; 11 TD; 5 INT;228.7 total offense; 158.8 efficiency

Receiving:
Pokorny 25 catches; 86.8 yds per; 8 TD; 20.8 yds per
Hlavac   26 catches; 61 yds per; 2 TD; 14.1 yds per


Known injuries:
Naperville: WR Matt Jones, OL Wes Welnack, WR Perry Welch, WR Joe Rubin
Wheaton: DT Nick Theobald, C Michael Orr

usee,

I thought the formatting was easy to read.  The majority of those stats are ridiculously close.  I'm really excited.  This should be an awesome game!

[Mr. Ypsi]

79jaybird, you left out the first wild card on pickems (the over/under).  (Since I haven't tallied them, feel free to modify your pick, rather than re-posting.)

[robertgoulet]

For the big game in Wheaton, here is some info for you closet analysts (sorry the formatting is bad, I have no clue how to do it on here):

SCORE BY QUARTERS     1st  2nd  3rd  4th    Total
--------------------  ---  ---  ---  ---      ---
Wheaton College.....   48   75   57   44  -   224
Naperville..........        45   76   48   34  -   203


Category (conference rank)      Wheaton      Naperville

Scoring offense                       1) 37.3         2) 33.8
Scoring defense                      2) 12.3         1) 11.8
Pass O yds game/play              5) 220/9.3     4) 225/8.5
Pass D yds game/play              1) 173.5/5.7   2) 184.3/5.2
Rush O yds game/play              1)195.2/4.8    2) 188.3/5.0
Rush D yds game/play              2)80.7/2.5      1) 61.7/2.1
Total O yds game/play             1) 414.8/6.4    2) 413.3/6.5
Total D yds game/play              2) 254/4.0      1)246/3.8
1st downs                              4)118            3)120
Pass efficiency                        1)154.7         2)146.8
Turnovers take/give                  2)+3 12/9      1)+5  14/9
Kick  return net yds per             2) 23.3         1)26.2
Punt net yds per                      3)34.7          1)38.4
Punt return                             1)17.5          3)13.6
Sacks by                                5) 11           6) 13
Sacks against                          1) 2            3) 6
Penalties yds game                   5) 61           8 ) 89
Red Zone O                             3) 77.4%      4)74.1%
Red Zone D                             1) 47.1%      4) 75%
3rd down conversions                1)44%         6)37%
4th down conversions                1)78%         6)37%

Rushing:
Gingg    98.3 yds; 4.6 yds per carry      
Sulo   98.3 yds; 6.3 yds per carry

Passing:
Fanthorpe 192.8 yds; 59.3%; 10 TD; 4 INT; 224.2 total offense; 157.4 efficiency
Norris        192.5 yds; 58.5%; 11 TD; 5 INT;228.7 total offense; 158.8 efficiency

Receiving:
Pokorny 25 catches; 86.8 yds per; 8 TD; 20.8 yds per
Hlavac   26 catches; 61 yds per; 2 TD; 14.1 yds per


Known injuries:
Naperville: WR Matt Jones, OL Wes Welnack, WR Perry Welch, WR Joe Rubin
Wheaton: DT Nick Theobald, C Michael Orr

usee,

I thought the formatting was easy to read.  The majority of those stats are ridiculously close.  I'm really excited.  This should be an awesome game!

Agreed.

Are the injuries to the WRs serious? I must have missed them when they happened. I know Welnack is out, but what about Welch and Rubin?

[washdupcard]

For the big game in Wheaton, here is some info for you closet analysts (sorry the formatting is bad, I have no clue how to do it on here):

SCORE BY QUARTERS     1st  2nd  3rd  4th    Total
--------------------  ---  ---  ---  ---      ---
Wheaton College.....   48   75   57   44  -   224
Naperville..........        45   76   48   34  -   203


Category (conference rank)      Wheaton      Naperville

Scoring offense                       1) 37.3         2) 33.8
Scoring defense                      2) 12.3         1) 11.8
Pass O yds game/play              5) 220/9.3     4) 225/8.5
Pass D yds game/play              1) 173.5/5.7   2) 184.3/5.2
Rush O yds game/play              1)195.2/4.8    2) 188.3/5.0
Rush D yds game/play              2)80.7/2.5      1) 61.7/2.1
Total O yds game/play             1) 414.8/6.4    2) 413.3/6.5
Total D yds game/play              2) 254/4.0      1)246/3.8
1st downs                              4)118            3)120
Pass efficiency                        1)154.7         2)146.8
Turnovers take/give                  2)+3 12/9      1)+5  14/9
Kick  return net yds per             2) 23.3         1)26.2
Punt net yds per                      3)34.7          1)38.4
Punt return                             1)17.5          3)13.6
Sacks by                                5) 11           6) 13
Sacks against                          1) 2            3) 6
Penalties yds game                   5) 61           8 ) 89
Red Zone O                             3) 77.4%      4)74.1%
Red Zone D                             1) 47.1%      4) 75%
3rd down conversions                1)44%         6)37%
4th down conversions                1)78%         6)37%

Rushing:
Gingg    98.3 yds; 4.6 yds per carry      
Sulo   98.3 yds; 6.3 yds per carry

Passing:
Fanthorpe 192.8 yds; 59.3%; 10 TD; 4 INT; 224.2 total offense; 157.4 efficiency
Norris        192.5 yds; 58.5%; 11 TD; 5 INT;228.7 total offense; 158.8 efficiency

Receiving:
Pokorny 25 catches; 86.8 yds per; 8 TD; 20.8 yds per
Hlavac   26 catches; 61 yds per; 2 TD; 14.1 yds per


Known injuries:
Naperville: WR Matt Jones, OL Wes Welnack, WR Perry Welch, WR Joe Rubin
Wheaton: DT Nick Theobald, C Michael Orr

Nice work USee.  As always, you are at the top of your game.

Looking at those stats is incredible.  Looks like an absolute draw on paper.  Should be one heck of a game.  Now, if I can just find a way to pry Cardalum away from the various roasted meat products he'll be injesting on Sat. night.......