FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[matblake]

Question for the "breakfast of champions" cereal:


Is the set of metal bleachers on the home side of the field to right of the main stands there for the away fans? It seemed that 3/4 of the people seated there were the fans of the school who has the Little Brass Bell. You know, North Central...the Brass Bell caretakers...North Central College...Brass Bell....

Anyway, I was just wondering if that was the norm for those bleachers or if the 2008 Battle for the Little Brass Bell champ's fans took over before the late arriving cereal school's fans showed up.

The metal bleachers on the home side are not intended for visiting fans per se.  Those stands are typically used for overflow (either on visitors side or home side).

Or for recluse, introverted, paranoid fans who like to sit by themselves so they can carry out a conversation with themselves about the game.

Or those who refer to themselves in the 3rd person. 

The handicapped seating is also in that section.  My Mom and Dad sit there when they go to games because they have a nice place for wheelchairs to fit.

Thanks for pointing this out... you are absolutely correct in that those bleachers are much more handicapped accessible.  My comment was a quick, tongue-in-cheek reply and I should be more careful.

No need to be more careful, it was a funny comment.  I just brought up the handicapped thing because it allows my Mom to get to games.  She really likes going, but not as much now as when the Mad Swede was playing.  

[Blitz Creed]

Blitz Creed,

Go sit in the corner and be quiet. You're just wrong. Rah Rah stuff until facts or stats to back it up isn't desired here. You're making all NCC fans look bad.

The way you're going, you'll set a record for negative karma.

Hey thanks for putting me in my place bud... 
I guess I'm just straight wrong.   I'll leave my opinions to myself. 


In the words of Mr. Sandler:
"I'm stupid. You're smart. I was wrong. You were right. You're the best. I'm the worst. You're very good-looking. I'm not very attractive"


All aside, Congratulations Cards! Keep the wins coming... beat up on those weenies.

[RadioNotes]

Good Sportsmanship please or we will be back
to the "how did I get all this bad karma" discussion!
 

I KNEW IT!  Here it comes......

[FormerCard]

Ittersagen... 5 solo, 2 asst... for a pre-season POY in all of D3football. I'd say thats pretty obsolete. 1 punt return for 0 yrds... 3 KR for 60yds.... all pretty average no matter what program you play for. Ittersagen is a great player... just not this past week... truth hurts... sorry

Preseason player of the year according to whom?

I saw the same article....could have been Lindys?  I cant recall.

You mean the Chili place?   http://www.lindyschili.com/   

I did click on that and immediately got hungry

[FormerCard]

The biggest thing for Elmhurst on Saturday vs. Goliath is going to be consistency.  Elmhurst showed that they could run between the tackles against the mighty IWU defense, and their D-Line/LB's have been able to get to the QB.
Consistency has been the variable and if Elmhurst is going to knock off Wheaton, they have to play 4 quarters of solid ball and limit their mistakes.    Even then it may/may not be enough against the Swider Troop who are going to be extra hungry after their loss last week.

Jbird,

You may be misremembering. The IWU defense was certainly "mighty" last year but a quick look at the boxscores will show you their defense has not been performing well YTD.

Sidenote... It is the greatest on Mike and Mike in the morning when they play that clip...and raphael palmari and his 300th hit

[Blitz Creed]

Ittersagen... 5 solo, 2 asst... for a pre-season POY in all of D3football. I'd say thats pretty obsolete. 1 punt return for 0 yrds... 3 KR for 60yds.... all pretty average no matter what program you play for. Ittersagen is a great player... just not this past week... truth hurts... sorry

So ittersagen's 7 tackles as a corner is pedestrian but Wenger's 9 as a middle linebacker are DPOY? What are you smoking?

And your punter, who was averaging 40 yds per punt had only 35.2 per punt. That probably had nothing to do with ittersagen either right? your credibility is diminishing with every post.

I did not mention Wenger, but  Wenger's 9 tackles with... 3.5 TFL, 2 sacks, & 1 FF... Thats a great game for a MLB.

He is probably the front runner for CCIW DPOY (lost last year by a few votes)... not so sure about d3 DPOY... Great LB's are all over the country.

...man, you veterans aren't coming off very friendly..

[Blitz Creed]

i hate to beat the "dead horse" that is blitz creed, but i'm sitting at my desk laughing at some of his comments.  You told mugsy to get his facts straight but you are obviously assuming that most of Hlavacs 5 catches came in Ittersagens zone im guessing because you are assuming #1 corner would be covering the #1 receiver.  Well blitz creed, get your facts straight.  Hlavac plays mostly slot and ittersagen never lines up over the slot.  on top of that, after watching the game again, Hlavac had 1 five yard catch in ittersagens zone that came on a quick out from the slot position which ittersagen came up on and made a perfect open field tackle.  north central definitely stayed away from ittersagen.  in fact, the stayed mostly away from both corners and were running routes through the middle of the field because they were aware of how poorly the wheaton linebackers cover certain zones, and also picked apart the deep sideline zones that the safeties are responsible for in the cover 2 scheme wheaton runs.  I know people are saying langs had a bad game, but i would argue that he did not, he did what he could just like ittersagen did what he could to contribute to the game. 

Wasn't guessing anything. I understand though, got to stick up for your old HS teammates...

[dansand]

...man, you veterans aren't coming off very friendly..

I think the "unfriendliness" arises, as Mugsy pointed out, as a result of your choice of the word "obsolete." If you had said that Ittersagen was ineffective or neutralized by North Central, I don't think anyone would have had a beef, as the Cardinals totally dominated the game. However, when you suggest that one of the league's top players is no longer of any use, people, understandably, get a little riled up.

[oldnuthin]

the lowly state brought upon by the spate of injuries to the few talented North Park football players is in direct correlation to their being over-played.

One of the hallmarks of any good football team is to play your roster - to rotate players in to give them experience - so you have varsity depth when someone gets hurt.

North Park plays its few good players until they drop - its a bad coaching technique - repeated annually ad nauseum.

It leads to poor performances on the field by the substitutes when they are inevitably thrown too the wolves, lack of morale on the sidelines (by those not getting a chance to play), and consequently a terrible retention rate (hence North Park's three seniors on this year's roster).

Why anyone in their right mind would expect things to change at North Park when they continue to do the same things year after year that have led to their present failures.  2 and 2 is still going to equal 4.

Bad coaching + poor player retention = non-competitive and losing football programs.

dgp

Dennis, is this due to poor recruiting or a lack of quality players? the reason i ask is my nephew just finished his high school career and is considering NPU. Loves football, and really wants to play right away. Are the people left on the sideline not good enough to play? My nephew has a couple of  old teamates that are freshman that are seeing playing time, and he also is drawn to the schools academic programs as well as the city component of the school. Any input you can give me would be appreciated.

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[letsplay2]

i hate to beat the "dead horse" that is blitz creed, but i'm sitting at my desk laughing at some of his comments.  You told mugsy to get his facts straight but you are obviously assuming that most of Hlavacs 5 catches came in Ittersagens zone im guessing because you are assuming #1 corner would be covering the #1 receiver.  Well blitz creed, get your facts straight.  Hlavac plays mostly slot and ittersagen never lines up over the slot.  on top of that, after watching the game again, Hlavac had 1 five yard catch in ittersagens zone that came on a quick out from the slot position which ittersagen came up on and made a perfect open field tackle.  north central definitely stayed away from ittersagen.  in fact, the stayed mostly away from both corners and were running routes through the middle of the field because they were aware of how poorly the wheaton linebackers cover certain zones, and also picked apart the deep sideline zones that the safeties are responsible for in the cover 2 scheme wheaton runs.  I know people are saying langs had a bad game, but i would argue that he did not, he did what he could just like ittersagen did what he could to contribute to the game. 

Wasn't guessing anything. I understand though, got to stick up for your old HS teammates...

HS and College teammate... that's besides the point though

[FormerCard]

I saw a comment referencing Wenger as "significantly better" than Radtke.  I think it is important to point out that numbers wise they are pretty comparable.  They both do alot of things well including get to the ball carrier in a hurry.  One difference is Lenny was taller with a wider wingspan which can attribute to his numerous pass breakups.  Wenger hits harder than any linebacker I have seen in a long time and gets to the quarterback very well.  Wenger should end up playing more games in his career then Lenny did.   Here is a comparison for both players from Freshman through Senior Year. 


Wengers senior year is a projection...


                                   GP   ST    AT   TT     TFL       SACK    INT     BU QBH  REC  FF  BK
56 Radtke, Lenny             9   24   36    60     4-14     1-8      2-31     2   .    1-0     1    .   .
40 Wenger, Matt             11   35   20    55     6-13      .        1-52     .     2   1-0     .    .   .


8   Radtke, Lenny            10   46   67   113   7.0-13      .       3-38     3   .   2-19    .    .   .
40 Wenger, Matt             12   62   44   106  16.0-60   3.0-23 1-28     2   .    .      1    .   .


8  Radtke, Lenny             10   72   69   141    16-55   4.0-22    2-1   11   5    .      .    1   .
40 Wenger, Matt               7   45   36    81  10.0-46   4.5-25   2-26    3   1   1-0     1    .   .


8  Radtke, Lenny             11   73   79   152    12-35   2.0-15    2-25  11   .    .      2    2   .
40Wenger, Matt(proj)       15  456 342  798  123-435 56-198  34-123  43  17-56 14  7


I am not trying to start the "who is better" conversation, but I am sure it will follow.  I just wanted to put the two side to side on the stat board.

[CardinalAlum]

I saw a comment referencing Wenger as "significantly better" than Radtke.  I think it is important to point out that numbers wise they are pretty comparable.  They both do alot of things well including get to the ball carrier in a hurry.  One difference is Lenny was taller with a wider wingspan which can attribute to his numerous pass breakups.  Wenger hits harder than any linebacker I have seen in a long time and gets to the quarterback very well.  Wenger should end up playing more games in his career then Lenny did.   Here is a comparison for both players from Freshman through Senior Year. 


Wengers senior year is a projection...


                                   GP   ST    AT   TT     TFL       SACK    INT     BU QBH  REC  FF  BK
56 Radtke, Lenny             9   24   36    60     4-14     1-8      2-31     2   .    1-0     1    .   .
40 Wenger, Matt             11   35   20    55     6-13      .        1-52     .     2   1-0     .    .   .


8   Radtke, Lenny            10   46   67   113   7.0-13      .       3-38     3   .   2-19    .    .   .
40 Wenger, Matt             12   62   44   106  16.0-60   3.0-23 1-28     2   .    .      1    .   .


8  Radtke, Lenny             10   72   69   141    16-55   4.0-22    2-1   11   5    .      .    1   .
40 Wenger, Matt               7   45   36    81  10.0-46   4.5-25   2-26    3   1   1-0     1    .   .


8  Radtke, Lenny             11   73   79   152    12-35   2.0-15    2-25  11   .    .      2    2   .
40Wenger, Matt(proj)       15  456 342  798  123-435 56-198  34-123  43  17-56 14  7


I am not trying to start the "who is better" conversation, but I am sure it will follow.  I just wanted to put the two side to side on the stat board.

  Nice, I like the projected 15 game stat!!

[FormerCard]

I had to go to the Mount Union website to find out how many games there would be if we make it to the Stagg Bowl     

[Redmen96]

Blitz Creed,

Go sit in the corner and be quiet. You're just wrong. Rah Rah stuff until facts or stats to back it up isn't desired here. You're making all NCC fans look bad.

The way you're going, you'll set a record for negative karma.

Hey thanks for putting me in my place bud... 
I guess I'm just straight wrong.   I'll leave my opinions to myself. 


In the words of Mr. Sandler:
"I'm stupid. You're smart. I was wrong. You were right. You're the best. I'm the worst. You're very good-looking. I'm not very attractive"

+K for you, anyone who says their sorry as Happy Gilmore earned it.

[Gregory Sager]

the lowly state brought upon by the spate of injuries to the few talented North Park football players is in direct correlation to their being over-played.

One of the hallmarks of any good football team is to play your roster - to rotate players in to give them experience - so you have varsity depth when someone gets hurt.

North Park plays its few good players until they drop - its a bad coaching technique - repeated annually ad nauseum.

It leads to poor performances on the field by the substitutes when they are inevitably thrown too the wolves, lack of morale on the sidelines (by those not getting a chance to play), and consequently a terrible retention rate (hence North Park's three seniors on this year's roster).

Why anyone in their right mind would expect things to change at North Park when they continue to do the same things year after year that have led to their present failures.  2 and 2 is still going to equal 4.

Bad coaching + poor player retention = non-competitive and losing football programs.

dgp

King Dennis,

I guess it depends on the backups.  There are many times when a tired, worn down starter is still better than your 2nd stringer.  At NP, they probably have many freshmen backing starters up and may not be ready for live CCIW action.  From an outsiders perspective, Pethtel is doing the best he can at a school where it has been tough to win at. 

That's exactly right, CardinalAlum. NPU just doesn't have backups that are good enough to hold their own on the field against a CCIW opponent. As much as the Vikings reach diminishing returns by playing overworked starters, Scott Pethtel is still better off using those overworked starters than he would be to use guys who can't handle this level (or whom at least can't handle it yet).