FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pat-I wanted to ask In your opinion how come Elmhurst didn't even receive any "votes to be included" in the Top 25 after defeating #15 Wheaton? 

I don't think Elmhurst is a Top 25 team at the moment, but I do think they deserve at least a few votes to be included?  Carthage received some votes earlier in the year, EC beat them in their place, and well you know about Wheaton and what happened last week.

Without even involving Pat, I think I can give you the answer.  You lost to IWU (not receiving votes), were crushed by Augie (not receiving votes), and your 3 non-con wins have, what, 3 wins amongst them.  Beating Carthage was good (though, again, not receiving votes), beating Wheaton is reduced in value for voters because they look to be in free-fall (hopefully for one more week ), and beating NPU just isn't gonna impress the voters.

I think the Jays are on the rise (and probably would now be placed considerably higher than in Kickoff), but there just isn't anything on the resume for a voter to select them (or even have them seriously on the radar compared to, say, Augie).

[cardinaldad]

Usually with MONO you are out for at least 3 weeks...
dangerous for the spleen to rupture otherwise --so ALL the
Cards will need to all step up and be sharp?!!!  Auggie
and NCC is always a good game too....Hopefully everyone
will be back healthy for Playoff time!

How true RadioNotes. While the health of Fanthorpe is most important, Kam Kniss only missed one game (against Wheaton) when he had mono. I know The spleen could rupture, and I don't know what the circumstances were for Kam to miss only one game. I wouldn't want Fanthorpe to do anything stupid to jeopardize his health, but Fanthorpe MAY not be out for three games. Let's see what the doctor says.

[Titan Q]

Pat-I wanted to ask In your opinion how come Elmhurst didn't even receive any "votes to be included" in the Top 25 after defeating #15 Wheaton? 

I don't think Elmhurst is a Top 25 team at the moment, but I do think they deserve at least a few votes to be included?   Carthage received some votes earlier in the year, EC beat them in their place, and well you know about Wheaton and what happened last week.

For a team to receive votes, it has to actually be in the Top 25 ballot of one voter or more.  It's not like the voters submit their 25-team ballot...and then note a few extra teams that "deserve at least a few votes."

I think it would be very difficult for any voter to make a case for Elmhurst in their Top 25 right now. 

[cardinaldad]

Congrats to Elmhurst!! What a GREAT boost that has to be for your program. I remember the feeling the NCC program and parents had the first time NCC beat Augie or Wheton for the first time in a while. It's still a pretty darn good feeling accomplishing that.

[cardinaldad]

Please....  Elmhurst/ North Central (and virtually every other CCIW school) are equal in Academics and you can't go wrong attending any of these 8 institutions. 

I'd go ahead and give IWU the crown for the best academic school in the conference.

Agreed! They are pretty stuck up about their academia. More so than ANY other school we visited. They don't think they are the best. They know thay are the best. And............that's ok.

[Augie6]

Pat-I wanted to ask In your opinion how come Elmhurst didn't even receive any "votes to be included" in the Top 25 after defeating #15 Wheaton? 

I don't think Elmhurst is a Top 25 team at the moment, but I do think they deserve at least a few votes to be included?  Carthage received some votes earlier in the year, EC beat them in their place, and well you know about Wheaton and what happened last week.

Without even involving Pat, I think I can give you the answer.  You lost to IWU (not receiving votes), were crushed by Augie (not receiving votes), and your 3 non-con wins have, what, 3 wins amongst them.  Beating Carthage was good (though, again, not receiving votes), beating Wheaton is reduced in value for voters because they look to be in free-fall (hopefully for one more week ), and beating NPU just isn't gonna impress the voters.

I think the Jays are on the rise (and probably would now be placed considerably higher than in Kickoff), but there just isn't anything on the resume for a voter to select them (or even have them seriously on the radar compared to, say, Augie).

JB,

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by your post, but this one shocked me.  Augie is currently not receiving top 25 votes and probably shouldn't be.  If Augie beat Elmhurst 42-6 and is not receiving votes, why do you think Elmhurst should.  Elmhurst is 6-2.  The Wheaton win was a big one and definitely an upset.  The other 5 wins are hardly what I would call impressive.  4 of the wins (Benedictine, Olivet, U of Chicago and NPU) came against teams with a combined record of 6 - 26.  The other win was a close game at Carthage, who Augie beat 40-16, at Carthage.  Carthage is certainly not a great team as witnessed by their 4-4 record, just getting by a poor Millikin team this week, 17-13.  It's great to support your team, but you really need to look at the reality of a situation before you make some of the posts that you do.  Be happy that Elmhurst got a big win this weekend.  That doesn't mean they should be considered a top 40-45 team in Division III.  They are not even close to that level.

[cardinaldad]

Just returned from NC game...
Great defensive showing by the Cards.  Besides the one drive in the 2nd quarter where IWU went 90 some yards for a touchdown on 10 plays, NC would give up a few plays and then buckle down. 

There is no chance to beat NC if you turn the ball over 7 times or more like IWU did.  6 maybe.. 8)

Kyle played well today.  Besides the two INT's, he made good decisions and protected the ball when he ran.  Next week will be a tough hard hitting game against Augie.  It will probably end up being the best game in the CCIW this year.

Fanthorpe will probably not be available till the playoffs with Mono.  It was extremely important for Kyle to have a good game today and he did and the Cardinals should rally behind #4.

Once again, you can't say enough about Wenger and this defense,  they are everywhere and there in a hurry.
Wenger had 11 tackles, a sack, 2 picks for 46 yards returned and a QB hurry (note:  The QB hurry, he hurdled the running back, fell down and still chased Ladd towards the IWU sideline and got a hit on him as he was throwing...freakish)

I agree on all accounts here FormerCard. Kniss did a real nice job managing the game yesterday. This game and his play in the Carthage game could/will be very, very valuable down the road. Defensively, there were moments in the game when I was wondering what happened to our pass defense only to have the defense come up with a big play. They had a GREAT day against the run.
Now, let's take it to Augie. This should be a GREAT game.

Go Cards!!

[cardinaldad]

Pat-I wanted to ask In your opinion how come Elmhurst didn't even receive any "votes to be included" in the Top 25 after defeating #15 Wheaton? 

I don't think Elmhurst is a Top 25 team at the moment, but I do think they deserve at least a few votes to be included?  Carthage received some votes earlier in the year, EC beat them in their place, and well you know about Wheaton and what happened last week.

Without even involving Pat, I think I can give you the answer.  You lost to IWU (not receiving votes), were crushed by Augie (not receiving votes), and your 3 non-con wins have, what, 3 wins amongst them.  Beating Carthage was good (though, again, not receiving votes), beating Wheaton is reduced in value for voters because they look to be in free-fall (hopefully for one more week ), and beating NPU just isn't gonna impress the voters.

I think the Jays are on the rise (and probably would now be placed considerably higher than in Kickoff), but there just isn't anything on the resume for a voter to select them (or even have them seriously on the radar compared to, say, Augie).

JB,

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by your post, but this one shocked me.  Augie is currently not receiving top 25 votes and probably shouldn't be.  If Augie beat Elmhurst 42-6 and is not receiving votes, why do you think Elmhurst should.  Elmhurst is 6-2.  The Wheaton win was a big one and definitely an upset.  The other 5 wins are hardly what I would call impressive.  4 of the wins (Benedictine, Olivet, U of Chicago and NPU) came against teams with a combined record of 6 - 26.  The other win was a close game at Carthage, who Augie beat 40-16, at Carthage.  Carthage is certainly not a great team as witnessed by their 4-4 record, just getting by a poor Millikin team this week, 17-13.  It's great to support your team, but you really need to look at the reality of a situation before you make some of the posts that you do.  Be happy that Elmhurst got a big win this weekend.  That doesn't mean they should be considered a top 40-45 team in Division III.  They are not even close to that level.

Give it time JB. If it's supposed to happen, it will when it is time.

[Pat Coleman]

Hmm, guess I don't have to answer. Ypsi and Q especially cover it, Q from a Top 25 voter perspective (it's the hoops poll, but the mechanics are the same).

[robertgoulet]

I would much rather enjoy the uh...cough...cough...scenery, in Naperville vs. Elmhurst, Wheaton, North Park.

You ain't lyin!

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[Blitz Creed]

Usually with MONO you are out for at least 3 weeks...
dangerous for the spleen to rupture otherwise --so ALL the
Cards will need to all step up and be sharp?!!!  Auggie
and NCC is always a good game too....Hopefully everyone
will be back healthy for Playoff time!

How true RadioNotes. While the health of Fanthorpe is most important, Kam Kniss only missed one game (against Wheaton) when he had mono. I know The spleen could rupture, and I don't know what the circumstances were for Kam to miss only one game. I wouldn't want Fanthorpe to do anything stupid to jeopardize his health, but Fanthorpe MAY not be out for three games. Let's see what the doctor says.

Not sure if this effects the the hiatus of Fathorpe but he also had Mono during spring ball earlier in the year. All football aside, hopefully he gets healthy soon.

[cardinaldad]

Usually with MONO you are out for at least 3 weeks...
dangerous for the spleen to rupture otherwise --so ALL the
Cards will need to all step up and be sharp?!!!  Auggie
and NCC is always a good game too....Hopefully everyone
will be back healthy for Playoff time!

How true RadioNotes. While the health of Fanthorpe is most important, Kam Kniss only missed one game (against Wheaton) when he had mono. I know The spleen could rupture, and I don't know what the circumstances were for Kam to miss only one game. I wouldn't want Fanthorpe to do anything stupid to jeopardize his health, but Fanthorpe MAY not be out for three games. Let's see what the doctor says.

Not sure if this effects the the hiatus of Fathorpe but he also had Mono during spring ball earlier in the year. All football aside, hopefully he gets healthy soon.

ditto. I think it's rare that you get mono twice.

[New Tradition]

Wow, couple of big games this weekend!  Not only is NCC playing Augie, but Mount Union is also playing undefeated Otterbein.  Should have a pretty clear playoff picture when the smoke clears!

[cardinaldad]

Wow, couple of big games this weekend!  Not only is NCC playing Augie, but Mount Union is also playing undefeated Otterbein.  Should have a pretty clear playoff picture when the smoke clears!

NT,

     The picture will be clearer.....but I can't agree with "pretty clear". The Cards have to play the up and coming Blue Jays the last regular season game!

[Blitz Creed]

Big day for D3 in the NFL... UWW Alum D. Stanley has a 80yrd TD and MU Alum P. Garcon currently has 3 KR for 80yrs, almost breaking one.