FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mr. Ypsi]

Big day for D3 in the NFL... UWW Alum D. Stanley has a 80yrd TD and MU Alum P. Garcon currently has 3 KR for 80yrs, almost breaking one.

And you overlooked that Jerheme Urban (Trinity TX) had a TD for the other team in the same game that Stanley scored.  The question has been raised as to whether two different d3 alums ever scored in the same NFL game - no answer yet.

[AndOne]

Usually with MONO you are out for at least 3 weeks...
dangerous for the spleen to rupture otherwise --so ALL the
Cards will need to all step up and be sharp?!!!  Auggie
and NCC is always a good game too....Hopefully everyone
will be back healthy for Playoff time!

How true RadioNotes. While the health of Fanthorpe is most important, Kam Kniss only missed one game (against Wheaton) when he had mono. I know The spleen could rupture, and I don't know what the circumstances were for Kam to miss only one game. I wouldn't want Fanthorpe to do anything stupid to jeopardize his health, but Fanthorpe MAY not be out for three games. Let's see what the doctor says.

Not sure if this effects the the hiatus of Fathorpe but he also had Mono during spring ball earlier in the year. All football aside, hopefully he gets healthy soon.

ditto. I think it's rare that you get mono twice.

From my previous life in the medical investigative area, I can tell you:

1. Mono, an increased amount of a special type of white blood cells, is caused by the Epstein-Barr virus which can infect any person.
2. The reason mono hits primarily young people is that by age 35-40, 95 percent of people have developed antibodies which prevent the E-B virus from becoming active.
3. It is NOT that rare to get mono twice. The reason for this is that in any given sample of people who have previously had mono, 20-80 percent continue to secrete E-B virus in their saliva for up to several years due to periodic reactivations of the virus.
4. While most symptoms subside within approximately 3 weeks from the onset, up to 50 percent of people infected with mono develop an enlarged spleen. If a patient does have an enlarged spleen as one of his/her symptoms, contact sports are usually forbidden for 6-8 weeks after onset. This is due to the fact that an enlarged spleen is prone to rupture, which could result in sudden death.

[Son of Tailgater]

4. While most symptoms subside within approximately 3 weeks from the onset, up to 50 percent of people infected with mono develop an enlarged spleen. If a patient does have an enlarged spleen as one of his/her symptoms, contact sports are usually forbidden for 6-8 weeks after onset. This is due to the fact that an enlarged spleen is prone to rupture, which could result in sudden death.
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I had Mono going into my senior year and ended up playing spring ball and continued to work out without realizing that I had it. I just figured I was tired all the time due to the fact that I was working out, playing spring ball and going to school. It could have been really serious and I can't believe I went 5 months without treatment. I found out I had mono after getting a physical for football my senior year in June when I started symptoms in Feb.

[cardinaldad]

4. While most symptoms subside within approximately 3 weeks from the onset, up to 50 percent of people infected with mono develop an enlarged spleen. If a patient does have an enlarged spleen as one of his/her symptoms, contact sports are usually forbidden for 6-8 weeks after onset. This is due to the fact that an enlarged spleen is prone to rupture, which could result in sudden death.

I had Mono going into my senior year and ended up playing spring ball and continued to work out without realizing that I had it. I just figured I was tired all the time due to the fact that I was working out, playing spring ball and going to school. It could have been really serious and I can't believe I went 5 months without treatment. I found out I had mono after getting a physical for football my senior year in June when I started symptoms in Feb.
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I had mono for about 13 weeks before I knew I had it.

[letsplay2]

My sophomore year, Cam Kniss had mono and missed a couple games, including the wheaton game.  Must be a NCC quarterback thing.

Usee... I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.  I'm guessing you're a pretty big stats guy based on some of your previous posts.  looking back at last year, it's hard to distinguish who performed better between Kyle and Sean.  They both split reps, albeit with sean taking about 60% of them, until north park and elmhurst when kyle started because of injuries to sean and then sean was named the started before carthage.  Kyle did a lot more than just "step in" against north park last season, as his numbers will show you.  I'll give you that sean did play well against NCC last year, but I wouldn't say he played well against Augie and definitely not against Wesleyan when we were playing from behind.  Again, I'm not arguing for one quarterback over the other.  I just want to state that if the starter is struggling, there is definitely a proven quarterback on the bench that can step in.  Both are quality quarterbacks and can win games.  

[Mugsy]

My sophomore year, Cam Kniss had mono and missed a couple games, including the wheaton game.  Must be a NCC quarterback thing.

Usee... I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.  I'm guessing you're a pretty big stats guy based on some of your previous posts.  looking back at last year, it's hard to distinguish who performed better between Kyle and Sean.  They both split reps, albeit with sean taking about 60% of them, until north park and elmhurst when kyle started because of injuries to sean and then sean was named the started before carthage.  Kyle did a lot more than just "step in" against north park last season, as his numbers will show you.  I'll give you that sean did play well against NCC last year, but I wouldn't say he played well against Augie and definitely not against Wesleyan when we were playing from behind.  Again, I'm not arguing for one quarterback over the other.  I just want to state that if the starter is struggling, there is definitely a proven quarterback on the bench that can step in.  Both are quality quarterbacks and can win games.  

I'm very hesitant to step between your discussion here.  And I do not wish to convey a backhanded slap to NPU, but playing well against NPU does not quite equate to performing well against top tier CCIW teams.

Furthermore I'm not sure it really would have made much of a difference who played against Augie or IWU last year.  Either would have been running for his life based on O-Line play (one might argue that supports playing Norris due to the fact he is more mobile).

Personally I'm against switch QB's unless it is a matter of the offense performing well, but the QB is struggling.  On Saturday the OLine was getting beat repeatedly and could not establish a running game.  That factor would not change regardless of who was at QB. 

Hmm... I guess I am stepping into your discussion and I guess one could suggest I took a swipe at NPU.   

[Augie6]

Usee... I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.  I'm guessing you're a pretty big stats guy based on some of your previous posts.  looking back at last year, it's hard to distinguish who performed better between Kyle and Sean.  They both split reps, albeit with sean taking about 60% of them, until north park and elmhurst when kyle started because of injuries to sean and then sean was named the started before carthage.  Kyle did a lot more than just "step in" against north park last season, as his numbers will show you.  I'll give you that sean did play well against NCC last year, but I wouldn't say he played well against Augie and definitely not against Wesleyan when we were playing from behind.  Again, I'm not arguing for one quarterback over the other.  I just want to state that if the starter is struggling, there is definitely a proven quarterback on the bench that can step in.  Both are quality quarterbacks and can win games.  

letsplay2,

From a completely non-partial viewpoint, I question if you may have a little bias by stating that you don't think Norris played well against Augie last year.  I was at the game, and thought he played very well.  The statistical line shows 15-22 (68% completion rate) for 223 yards (10 yds per attempt and just under 15 yds per completion) with 1 TD.  He also ran for a TD.  On the game winning TD (even though I still think Augie's safety didn't play the pattern well) he made a very good throw, putting the ball just over the safety and hitting Pokorny in stride.  I walked away from the game thinking Norris was a very good QB.

[usee]

My sophomore year, Cam Kniss had mono and missed a couple games, including the wheaton game.  Must be a NCC quarterback thing.

Usee... I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.  I'm guessing you're a pretty big stats guy based on some of your previous posts.  looking back at last year, it's hard to distinguish who performed better between Kyle and Sean.  They both split reps, albeit with sean taking about 60% of them, until north park and elmhurst when kyle started because of injuries to sean and then sean was named the started before carthage.  Kyle did a lot more than just "step in" against north park last season, as his numbers will show you.  I'll give you that sean did play well against NCC last year, but I wouldn't say he played well against Augie and definitely not against Wesleyan when we were playing from behind.  Again, I'm not arguing for one quarterback over the other.  I just want to state that if the starter is struggling, there is definitely a proven quarterback on the bench that can step in.  Both are quality quarterbacks and can win games.  

I agree with the statement highlighted above. The bottom line is you have not made any kind of strong argument that the starter is struggling and a switch is warranted.

{don't forget, Augie6 is a former CCIW defensive back on a national championship team--he knows a little about quarterbacks--and I did not solicit his opinion!}

[redman04]

4. While most symptoms subside within approximately 3 weeks from the onset, up to 50 percent of people infected with mono develop an enlarged spleen. If a patient does have an enlarged spleen as one of his/her symptoms, contact sports are usually forbidden for 6-8 weeks after onset. This is due to the fact that an enlarged spleen is prone to rupture, which could result in sudden death.

I had Mono going into my senior year and ended up playing spring ball and continued to work out without realizing that I had it. I just figured I was tired all the time due to the fact that I was working out, playing spring ball and going to school. It could have been really serious and I can't believe I went 5 months without treatment. I found out I had mono after getting a physical for football my senior year in June when I started symptoms in Feb.
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"I once thought I had mono for an entire year, It turned out I was just really bored"

[CardinalAlum]

"I once thought I had mono for an entire year, It turned out I was just really bored"

  , This one gave me a good laugh!  Nicely done!  +K today and one tomorrow!!

[Comet 14]

Wow, What a great game the Bluejays played Sat. This is my first chance to post since the game. As far as the qb discussion going on Norris spent more time picking himself up off the ground as he did in the huddle Sat. so allthough I have not seen the back up play all accounts on this board seem to agree that he is less mobile than Norris so IMHO it would have been a bad decision to replace him. The INT for a TD was not his fault. The O-line did not chop the D-End down to create a passing lane for the slant route. Augie6- I agree that Elmhurst does not desreve to be considered for the top 25. But to say  "That doesn't mean they should be considered a top 40-45 team in Division III.  They are not even close to that level." I am not sure how you would find out who the "next 25" are but I would think they match up pretty well with 35 through 45.

[79jaybird]

Just to clarify-  I did not say/nor think that Elmhurst should be in the Top 25, rather I DO think they should be getting some votes in the "Others Receiving Votes" category.  As I think Augie should too. 
I also don't think it's fair to just "discard" Wheaton into thinking that the Thunder are a dying quail.  This is a solid team with some great playmakers, and a great game vs. Elmhurst,  just a unit that made some costly mistakes.

[Augie6]

Augie6- I agree that Elmhurst does not desreve to be considered for the top 25. But to say  "That doesn't mean they should be considered a top 40-45 team in Division III.  They are not even close to that level." I am not sure how you would find out who the "next 25" are but I would think they match up pretty well with 35 through 45.

Comet,

Just don't see the facts to back this up.  There are 239 teams in DIII.  Putting Elmhurst in the top 35 to 45 would mean they are in the upper 15% to 20% of teams in DIII.  IMO, One upset against a ranked team (and until they prove differently, the Wheaton win was a big upset) does not qualify Elmhurst for that position.  Elmhurst has had a decent record over the past few years, but, that has been largely in part to the cupcake teams that they play for their non-conference schedule.  They have not had a winning record in CCIW since 1985.  It looks like they will finally break that string this year, but, most likely, it will be a 4 and 3 record if they beat Millikin and lose to NCC.  4 of their 6 wins this year came against very poor teams with a combined record of 6-26.  Until they can consistently beat some of the top teams in the CCIW year in and year out, they won't be considered a credible challenger to the CCIW crown, let alone a player on the national stage.  The talk about being ranked in the top 25 or being in the receiving votes category is a big stretch based on one upset victory. 

[79jaybird]

Augie 6-  You make a good point and I agree that Elmhurst has played some creampuffs in the 2000's, however just looking at this year.  You have the #2 team (NC) that played Olivet and Benedictine just like Elmhurst did.  The only difference is ONU which is obviously a much stronger team than UC. 

Looking at Elmhurst, the only "bad" loss is IWU, which IMO isn't "too bad" a loss on the road against the defending co-champs.
Again, I agree Elmhurst is not into the big sphere of competitors yet, but I would hope they would start getting some more glances as Lester and Co. continue to build up a program and get better.

[New Tradition]

Just to clarify-  I did not say/nor think that Elmhurst should be in the Top 25, rather I DO think they should be getting some votes in the "Others Receiving Votes" category.  As I think Augie should too. 
I also don't think it's fair to just "discard" Wheaton into thinking that the Thunder are a dying quail.  This is a solid team with some great playmakers, and a great game vs. Elmhurst,  just a unit that made some costly mistakes.

JB,
Titan Q explained earlier that in order to be in the "other's receiving votes" category that you need to be in SOMEBODY'S top 25 who is on the polling committee.  You yourself said that you don't think they are a top 25 team, and all of the pollsters agree with you.  That's why they aren't receiving any votes.  Let's see how this all shakes down as the season regular ends.  Should be an exciting last couple of weeks!!!