FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Augie6]

I was out of town for a couple of days (went to Green Bay and witnessed that disgusting performance by the Bears) and just saw that Wheaton made the playoffs.  Congrats to both NCC and Wheaton.  From a region perspective, looks like a pretty good draw for both teams, however, I don't think NCC fans can look past a potential Otterbein match-up in the 2nd round.  A strong 2nd place team from the OAC with a very balanced offense (199 yds per game rushing/176 yds per game passing) who has averaged just over 38 pts. per game.  Wheaton also has a tough potential match-up in round #2 with Wabash.  I think both teams will win their first round games handily (hard to imagine Trine as a #2 seed based on how weak their conference is).  Would be great to see an all CCIW region final, prior to a trip to Alliance for one of the teams.   

[cardinaldad]

I remember a few weeks ago comparing Lenny Radtke to Matt Wenger and one thing I said was that Lenny was better in pass coverage....

After watching the last 4 weeks, it is very apparent how good Wenger is playing the pass after he lead the conference in interceptions and has been all over the place tipping balls left and right.

Wenger is a stud, a great overall linebacker that can do anything, no questions asked. 

I think he locked up the Conference defensive player of the year today, and is arguably one of the best linebackers in Division 3. 

    Agreed FormerCard. Earlier, I was actually leaning towards Radtke's corner. But Wenger's play of late might just have me leaning his way. The interception Saturday, just before the half, at Elmhurst, was huge. The hit put on the punter was huge. He just keeps making more and more big plays. I believe Wenger hits harder than Radtke did. Radtke made the plays, but Wenger makes them with an exclamation point. Regardless, it's brought great enjoyment for a lot of people watching both of them wreak havoc on defenses. How lucky are we that they are/were on our side.  

[cardinaldad]

Don't know who does the stats but Wenger had a tackle for a loss early in the game against Elmhurst and it was awarded to a non dressing freshman, that should have given him a total of 120 and the #1 spot for tackles in the conference.  
I was also a little suprised Ittersagen got special team player of the week, I was pulling for the Elmhurst punter that got run over by a train and still managed a first dowm.

I really want to see that hit.  I tried watching the highlight film on a link via the north central website, but it did not work. 

Was anyone else able to access and view it?

I haven't been able to see any of the highlite films. I don't know if it takes that long to load, or what. I lose patience and move on to view something else. The Red Zone Show I can view. The highlite film, I can't. Anyone else?

[Mr. Flynn]

The hit wasn't on the highlight film, very disappointing.  If you right click on the highlight video link and "save target as" you can download the whole video to your computer and watch it, they are all in to 50-60mb size range.

http://www.nctv17.com/videos/theredzone/Ill-Wesleyan-NCC%20HIghligh%2011-1-08.mov  You can see Wenger making a big hit in slow-motion in this video, its at the very end.

[redman04]

2005 Augie was better than 05 NCC

I vehemently disagree.  I'm not going to get into it, but my 2005 highlight film says differently, in slow motion.

Not trying to take anything away from that NCC, they were good.  However, I saw both teams play and IMO Augie was better....Sorry

[cardinaldad]

The hit wasn't on the highlight film, very disappointing.  If you right click on the highlight video link and "save target as" you can download the whole video to your computer and watch it, they are all in to 50-60mb size range.

http://www.nctv17.com/videos/theredzone/Ill-Wesleyan-NCC%20HIghligh%2011-1-08.mov  You can see Wenger making a big hit in slow-motion in this video, its at the very end.

Thanks, I'll try that!

[New Tradition]

2005 Augie was better than 05 NCC

I vehemently disagree.  I'm not going to get into it, but my 2005 highlight film says differently, in slow motion.

Not trying to take anything away from that NCC, they were good.  However, I saw both teams play and IMO Augie was better....Sorry

I'm surprised.  I assume you saw them both play Carthage that season.  Granted, Augie shut Carthage out, but Fox and co. were able to hold Augie to 7 points.  NCC put up 43 on that same defense.

[New Tradition]

2005 Augie was better than 05 NCC

I vehemently disagree.  I'm not going to get into it, but my 2005 highlight film says differently, in slow motion.

Careful with the film thing, NT. 

I know it's easy to say "watch the film."  If I had any kind of AV skills I'd load it on to YouTube so I could show you...I'll talk to some people and see if they can help me out.  All I know is I get sick to my stomach every time I watch it.

[cardinaldad]

2005 Augie was better than 05 NCC

I vehemently disagree.  I'm not going to get into it, but my 2005 highlight film says differently, in slow motion.

Careful with the film thing, NT. 

I know it's easy to say "watch the film."  If I had any kind of AV skills I'd load it on to YouTube so I could show you...I'll talk to some people and see if they can help me out.  All I know is I get sick to my stomach every time I watch it.

What I meant was some people on this board will hammer you for saying"Watch the film". 

[FormerCard]

The hit wasn't on the highlight film, very disappointing.  If you right click on the highlight video link and "save target as" you can download the whole video to your computer and watch it, they are all in to 50-60mb size range.

http://www.nctv17.com/videos/theredzone/Ill-Wesleyan-NCC%20HIghligh%2011-1-08.mov  You can see Wenger making a big hit in slow-motion in this video, its at the very end.

Thanks, I'll try that!

It worked...thanks! 

[Augie6]

OK here's some food for thought.  Which dynasty was the strongest?  Put aside Augie's Nat'l Championships because the others didn't have a playoff format like Augie did.

A) Augustana 81-90
B) Art Keller late 60's 70's
C) Harve Chrouser late 40's 50's
D) John Thorne's mini-dynasty   (present day)

I think my vote would be A or C. 

Not sure how you "put aside" four straight National Championships (and a second place finish before that) when you talk about whose "dynasty was the strongest."  Choices B, C, and D are about the best in the CCIW over a period of time.  I think it would be hard to call any of these a dynasty.  I know I'm biased, but when you look at Augie during the 80's, I don't think any of the other choices can be mentioned in the same breath.  In addition to the Nat'l Championships, those Augie teams also qualified for the NCAA playoffs every year from 81-90.  The fact that you are undecided about who your choice would be is absolutely amazing to me.  Earth to JB, there is not a choice or even a discussion here.  You're talking about a period of time where Augie accomplished what no team in the history of college football (all divisions) has ever accomplished.  Then you are comparing this to teams who had a good run of years in the CCIW.  No comparison.

[usee]

Augie6,

Careful there, Harv Chrousers wheaton teams didn't have playoffs so you can't compare them without the same opportunity. They were successful enough that they were kicked out of the cciw for a number of years. That's unprecedented too. I don't have an opinion on this topic but I don't think its as clear as you make it out to be.

[FormerCard]

For those who are interested,  NCC (courtesy of Naperville Community Television) puts out a highlight video for The Cardinals games. 

This is the 1st time I have looked at them, very impressive.  As Mr. Flynn mentioned before, you have to right click and save target as.  It takes about 5-10 minutes to load each one, but they are very well put together.

http://www.northcentralcollege.edu/x45828.xml

[ncc58]

2005 Augie was better than 05 NCC

I vehemently disagree.  I'm not going to get into it, but my 2005 highlight film says differently, in slow motion.

Not trying to take anything away from that NCC, they were good.  However, I saw both teams play and IMO Augie was better....Sorry

I'm surprised.  I assume you saw them both play Carthage that season.  Granted, Augie shut Carthage out, but Fox and co. were able to hold Augie to 7 points.  NCC put up 43 on that same defense.

I was hoping never to discuss 2005 again.

Strictly speaking, Augie beat NCC. However, that game was at Rock Island. On a neutral field, NCC would have won 7 out of 10 times.

[Titan Q]

Andy Studebaker is now a member of the Kansas City Chiefs.  He'll not only suit up for his first NFL game this Sunday, but he has an outstanding chance of getting good P.T..

Very exciting news.  Congrats to Andy!