FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[orsky]

Very exciting.  Congrats Andy.  I have looked at the chiefs site and nothing posted there, so I'm hoping this is accurate.  Wheaton site has a nice story on this.

[SonsofThunder]

No doubt...   Andy is a Chief.  His flight leaves for KC tomorrow morning @ 9:30.  He will be moving back to DE...at least for the time being.

[Gregory Sager]

Augie6,

Careful there, Harv Chrousers wheaton teams didn't have playoffs so you can't compare them without the same opportunity. They were successful enough that they were kicked out of the cciw for a number of years. That's unprecedented too.

That wasn't due to football, though. That was due to Wheaton's overall dominance of the CCIW across the board in all sports, and if there was one sport in particular that tipped the scales it wasn't football -- it was men's basketball.

Andy Studebaker is now a member of the Kansas City Chiefs.  He'll not only suit up for his first NFL game this Sunday, but he has an outstanding chance of getting good P.T..

Very exciting news.  Congrats to Andy!

The Chefs? Great googly-moogly!

[Titan Q]

Andy Studebaker is now a member of the Kansas City Chiefs.  He'll not only suit up for his first NFL game this Sunday, but he has an outstanding chance of getting good P.T..

Very exciting news.  Congrats to Andy!

Hey Q, where did you hear this?

It may have been here.  http://athletics.wheaton.edu/News/football/2008/11/17/andy-chiefs.asp?path=football

Although Q knows people who know people that know one else knows.

My sources came from deep inside the Studebaker camp.

[burly]

My son is up by 1 right now

"I love you Dad!" -- Will Ferrell, Old School

[79jaybird]

Augie6  The Art Keller and Harve Chrouser dynasties did not have the benefit of an organized playoff system like Augie did.  Hardly anybody beat these two coaches during their reigns.  What more do you need for a dynasty?  
The one thing that is eye catching (right away) with Augie's dynasty is the period between 1982-1986 when Augie was picking up the hardware.  IMO, that doesn't lessen the importance or quality of the Carthage and Wheaton teams back in the day.
Greg is right that Wheaton's basketball supremacy (1957 Nat'l Championship) was the primary reason that the Crusaders (at the time) were asked to leave.  In looking back, almost every decade had a dominant CCIW member
40's North Central
50's Wheaton
60's Carthage
80's Augie

[redman04]

No question that you don't want controversial calls from the refs to determine the outcome of any game.

It wasn't controversial.  It was outright WRONG.  Like I said, I'm gonna try and figure out a way to get it from my highlight DVD onto YouTube so this doesn't just sound like sour grapes.

However, that's part of the game and probably always will be. 

You are correct, but my right ring finger has a TERRIBLE time accepting that.

2005 Augie was better than 05 NCC

I vehemently disagree.  I’m not going to get into it, but my 2005 highlight film says differently, in slow motion.

Not trying to take anything away from that NCC, they were good.  However, I saw both teams play and IMO Augie was better....Sorry

Here is what I said.... I thought Augie was better, never saw the call.  Good or bad call it was made.  Still the fact is Augie won.  Again was not at that game and I saw both teams play carthage and they looked like the better team and I don't wanna see your highlight tape. I don't care

[CardinalAlum]

No question that you don't want controversial calls from the refs to determine the outcome of any game.

It wasn't controversial.  It was outright WRONG.  Like I said, I'm gonna try and figure out a way to get it from my highlight DVD onto YouTube so this doesn't just sound like sour grapes.

However, that's part of the game and probably always will be. 

You are correct, but my right ring finger has a TERRIBLE time accepting that.

That was then, this is now.  Sorry Guys, but whatever transpired that day is history and rehashing it, while maybe therapeutic for NT(), does come off as sour grapes.  A6, I know you are only defending your boys and NT, you feel jobbed, as did most at the time.  Right or wrong, officiating does affect the games and short of adding instant replay, those decisions made by the officials, are a part of the game.  Pick a major sport through the years and you will find many contoversial calls that were made that changed the outcomes of games in critical situations.   Let's get back to talking about the teams IN the playoffs!! 

[CardinalAlum]

No question that you don't want controversial calls from the refs to determine the outcome of any game.

It wasn't controversial.  It was outright WRONG.  Like I said, I'm gonna try and figure out a way to get it from my highlight DVD onto YouTube so this doesn't just sound like sour grapes.

However, that's part of the game and probably always will be. 

You are correct, but my right ring finger has a TERRIBLE time accepting that.

2005 Augie was better than 05 NCC

I vehemently disagree.  I'm not going to get into it, but my 2005 highlight film says differently, in slow motion.

Not trying to take anything away from that NCC, they were good.  However, I saw both teams play and IMO Augie was better....Sorry

Here is what I said.... I thought Augie was better, never saw the call.  Good or bad call it was made.  Still the fact is Augie won.  Again was not at that game and I saw both teams play carthage and they looked like the better team and I don't wanna see your highlight tape. I don't care

Well said!!  +K

[redman04]

No question that you don't want controversial calls from the refs to determine the outcome of any game.

It wasn't controversial.  It was outright WRONG.  Like I said, I'm gonna try and figure out a way to get it from my highlight DVD onto YouTube so this doesn't just sound like sour grapes.

However, that's part of the game and probably always will be. 

You are correct, but my right ring finger has a TERRIBLE time accepting that.

That was then, this is now.  Sorry Guys, but whatever transpired that day is history and rehashing it, while maybe therapeutic for NT(), does come off as sour grapes.  A6, I know you are only defending your boys and NT, you feel jobbed, as did most at the time.  Right or wrong, officiating does affect the games and short of adding instant replay, those decisions made by the officials, are a part of the game.  Pick a major sport through the years and you will find many contoversial calls that were made that changed the outcomes of games in critical situations.   Let's get back to talking about the teams IN the playoffs!! 

Well said too.... +K right back at ya!

[Mugsy]

No question that you don't want controversial calls from the refs to determine the outcome of any game.

It wasn't controversial.  It was outright WRONG.  Like I said, I'm gonna try and figure out a way to get it from my highlight DVD onto YouTube so this doesn't just sound like sour grapes.

However, that's part of the game and probably always will be. 

You are correct, but my right ring finger has a TERRIBLE time accepting that.

That was then, this is now.  Sorry Guys, but whatever transpired that day is history and rehashing it, while maybe therapeutic for NT(), does come off as sour grapes.  A6, I know you are only defending your boys and NT, you feel jobbed, as did most at the time.  Right or wrong, officiating does affect the games and short of adding instant replay, those decisions made by the officials, are a part of the game.  Pick a major sport through the years and you will find many contoversial calls that were made that changed the outcomes of games in critical situations.   Let's get back to talking about the teams IN the playoffs!! 

Yeah, and if you keep it up, I'll have to bring up how Wheaton was robbed against Augie in 1986 on one of the most blatant blown calls.   

[robertgoulet]

I stopped watching them when the Nigerian Nightmare Christian Okoye left Kansas City.

Almost as dominant a RB as Super Tecmo Bo Jackson back in the Tecmo Bowl days!

One of my favorite NFL Films segments was one back in the 90s that highlighted Okoye. He was a beast.

Augie6  The Art Keller and Harve Chrouser dynasties did not have the benefit of an organized playoff system like Augie did.  Hardly anybody beat these two coaches during their reigns.  What more do you need for a dynasty? 
The one thing that is eye catching (right away) with Augie's dynasty is the period between 1982-1986 when Augie was picking up the hardware.  IMO, that doesn't lessen the importance or quality of the Carthage and Wheaton teams back in the day.
Greg is right that Wheaton's basketball supremacy (1957 Nat'l Championship) was the primary reason that the Crusaders (at the time) were asked to leave.  In looking back, almost every decade had a dominant CCIW member
40's North Central
50's Wheaton
60's Carthage
80's Augie

So when NCC wins their 4th CCIW title in a row next year will they be considered for the 00's dominant member? Or will they have to keep stringing them along through the mid 2010's? 

[burly]

I stopped watching them when the Nigerian Nightmare Christian Okoye left Kansas City.

One of my favorite NFL Films segments was one back in the 90s that highlighted Okoye. He was a beast.

Not to Steve Atwater.  Classic NFL big hit!

http://www.zippyvideos.com/6082761056532676/atwaterhit/

[robertgoulet]

I stopped watching them when the Nigerian Nightmare Christian Okoye left Kansas City.

One of my favorite NFL Films segments was one back in the 90s that highlighted Okoye. He was a beast.

Not to Steve Atwater.  Classic NFL big hit!

http://www.zippyvideos.com/6082761056532676/atwaterhit/

Well now I don't know what to think!

Atwater was almost as hard of a hitter as Wenger. *cough*

[New Tradition]

Here is what I said.... I thought Augie was better, never saw the call.  Good or bad call it was made.  Still the fact is Augie won.  Again was not at that game and I saw both teams play carthage and they looked like the better team and I don't wanna see your highlight tape. I don't care

Right, and here's what I said:

It is certainly the event that I feel MOST strongly about in my entire D3 career and I was a player when it happened, so I didn't have a chance to discuss it in the forum then.

Someone else (not me) brought it up, and I figured I'd add my 2 cents to the discussion.  Is that not what these forums are for?  Furthermore, I brought up a valid point about both teams playing Carthage:

I'm surprised.  I assume you saw them both play Carthage that season.  Granted, Augie shut Carthage out, but Fox and co. were able to hold Augie to 7 points.  NCC put up 43 on that same defense.

to which you didn't respond.  I'm just curious as to your rationale as far as Augie being the better team, taking into account the fact that you only saw either team play against the Redmen that year, Augie "victory" vs. NCC aside.