FB: Northwest Conference

[MacQuiz]

Well, yeah, if it's a C-section, definitely.

This is a tough call, and definately an individual case by case deal...in my opinion.
If I get my own blood drawn and think about watching...it's lights out for MacQuiz.
When my daughter was born, we had to deal with an emergency C at the last second.
Scary but controlled and I watched the whole thing.  Not too bad, technically interesting until the sweet bean was extracted.  That's when you go from a family of two to three...AND BABY I MEAN RIGHT NOW!!!
The new girl was blue and quiet...scared my to frickin death.
One smack on the butt from Doc and she howled and went pink quick.
It's been noisey ever since!  What a beautiful racket!!!
Carpe'-deim WC11...

[snoop dawg]

Congratulations wildcat11 !
Two Words: BIRTH VIDEO!

Dont mix it up and accidentally post it.

[Las Vegas Wildcards]

Wow!  Thank you EVERYONE for the continued well wishes.  You guys are awesome.  We won't find out the sex for a few more weeks but we will find out as soon as we can.  I don't care one bit if we have a boy or girl...all I want is a healthy baby and healthy Mrs11. 

99.999% sure the video camera is going to stay home.  I almost passed out watching the Nurse take some of Mrs11's blood last Friday so I'm going to need to focus on staying composed. 

Again, thank you to all of you (P.C., D O.C., RFB, Blue, LN'D, M-Cat, dahlby, Gray Fox, Kingsman4, MacQuiz, Snoop, FarAwayCat, R&P, River, CatDad, D-Train, and GHC) for the words...I really do appreciate it.

That's great news, 11. I'd like to wish you and Mrs. 11 all the best, if you have a boy, we'll just have to keep up from the sidelines of the CatDome, about 20 years from now. You'll be just fine, I'll have a motor scooter customized for the occasion!

[wildcat11]

http://www.souraiders.com/news/2010/4/8/FB_0408104410.aspx

According to SOU's 2010 schedule press release it sounds like Menlo has made their move to the NAIA for football.

Southern Oregon, an NAIA Independent program, has struggled to field home games and NAIA games over the recent years and will play a large number of both of those in 2010, including all four home games when school is in session.

Southern Oregon will play NAIA programs Eastern Oregon, Simon Fraser, Menlo, Azusa Pacific and Northwestern Oklahoma.

Thought it was a typo and I pinged the SID at SOU.  He said that SOU is hearing Menlo is moving to the NAIA for football.  Of course Menlo's web site has nada on this.  Either SOU is mistaken or the Raider website was nice enough to break the news of Menlo's division change.

Probably pretty important that Menlo let people know what's up because I think many would like to know if Menlo will be a DIII regional game or not.

[cawcdad]

There is nothing on the Menlo site about them going NAIA in football. They have dual membership in NAIA and NCAA-III. The banner says NAIA Cal Pac Conference and NCAA Northwest Conference.

[snoop dawg]

Wc. One word of avice. When Mrs. Craves some type of food, go get it quickly.

GHC....forgot to say congrats to you gramps

[wildcat11]

Catdomealumni.com Video of the Week: 2009 Linfield at Whitworth

2009 Linfield at Whitworth

next week: 2009 Lewis & Clark

ADvantage Catdome = Is Menlo staying, going, or gone?

[d-train]

Southern Oregon, an NAIA Independent program, has struggled to field home games and NAIA games over the recent years and will play a large number of both of those in 2010, including all four home games when school is in session.

Southern Oregon will play NAIA programs Eastern Oregon, Simon Fraser, Menlo, Azusa Pacific and Northwestern Oklahoma.

I don't know - most of us have heard that Menlo was evaluating NAIA or D-2 - but I won't 'buy' a move until I see an announcement.  Doesn't seem like they've got it too bad right now in the NWC.

I kinda doubt SOU did its homework with that press release.  Simon Fraser isn't NAIA either.  They are making their return to American football in D-2 as a member of the GNAC.

[Gig Harbor Cat]

Thanks Snoop

[wildcat11]

Didn't know how this slipped past but I'm sure this might happen when you're just starting up a new program.

I noticed that Pacific's coaching page didn't list a Defensive Coordinator but I could have sworn they hired a guy from PSU.  Google was nice enough to point me to an article announcing that Pacific hired Josh Fetter as the new DC for the Boxers on Jan 15th.

Fetter said he is excited to have a chance to continue coaching in the Portland area and to be part of an exciting new program. "I'm ecstatic," Fetter said. "What an opportunity to build something from the ground up and to do something the right way.  I really like Coach Buckley's vision and what he stands for. Obviously, this is a great community and the people here at Pacific, from the faculty and staff to the students, impressed me."

However it looks like Fetter had a change of heart as Idaho announced Fetter their new Defensive Line coach on March 31st. 

[cawcdad]

Checked with my reliable connection for the Cal Pac Conference (NAIA conference that Menlo is a member of) and he said he knows nothing of the Oaks going to NAIA for football. He also has not heard of any other NAIA schools in CA starting football.

[MacQuiz]

I NEED AN EDUCATION!
Our recent chat-o-rama about Menlo gives me a recuring headache about a question that has burned long enough in my head...it begins to hurt!

There are too many variables that factor into a particular school being in a particular Division, affiliation etc.
D1 Schools always seem to be big, then subset a, aa, aaa come into play.

Then there's D2, D3, NAIA....
Some schools have multi affiliations and in more than one sport.
What gives??  How are these determinations made?  Are there criteria that are set in stone...like school enrollment numbers.  How about the number of athletes that a particular sport at a particular school can muster...year over year?
Is there geography involved?
Is it something that can be explained in terms that a regular guy like myself can figure?

[cawcdad]

Let me see if I can get this. NCAA and NAIA are simply two separate governing bodies for college athletics. Membership is based on school preference. There are only a few schools with dual membership.
NCAA Division 1 is based on the amount of money and therefore the number of athletic scholarships that a school can and will offer. Size is not important. Many of the WCC schools, St. Mary's, USF etc are not much bigger than most of the NWC schools. The old 1A and 1AA are football only designations and are now the BCS and FCS. These are based on facilities and average attendance. There is one  Division 1 league, the Pioneer league, that has no football scholarships but has scholarships for all other sports.

Division two are schools that are restricted to a smaller number of scholarships and money spent on athletics. Athletic scholarships are often split. It seems most of these schools are state colleges

Division 3 offer no athletic scholarships. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Good summary.  I'd also add that in the NCAA (with the exception of 'grandfathered' situations like Johns Hopkins lacrosse and a few hockey programs - including RIT who made the d1 Frozen Four this year), requires that ALL sports be in the same division.  That makes the perennial cries for Mount Union to 'move up' so ignorant - in most sports (obviously excepting football) they are mediocre to downright bad even at the d3 level.  WIAC teams arguably could do just fine at d2 (they are a powerhouse conference in nearly every sport), but apparently that is a non-starter with the Wisconsin legislature.

[d-train]

Full football scholarship limits:

Div 1 - 85
Div 1aa - 63
Div 2 - 36
NAIA - 24
Div 3 - N/A

Conferences can lower their own limits (including going non-scholarship like the Pioneer and Ivy Leagues), and individual schools can compete with fewer.  For example, I think the Div 2 GNAC has a limit of 24 scholarships...but Western Oregon probably has half that amount divided over 30 kids.  I doubt SOU has even that much to offer.


And just to echo cawcdad - enrollment makes some difference (especially for state schools) - but isn't a deciding factor.  Wisc.-Whitewater is larger than Notre Dame or Northwestern.  Portland State is larger than Oregon or Oregon State.  But those are some of the more extreme examples.

For the most part the largest of the state schools are Div 1 (UCLA, Idaho, Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU), some larger 'directional' schools or universities in smaller states are in Div 1aa (North Dakota, Montana, Montana State, Eastern Washington, Northern Arizona, Southern Utah), many medium to smaller 'directional' schools are Div 2 (Western Colorado, Western Oregon, Central and Western Washington), NAIA and Div 3 are more heavily populated by privates schools...but other private schools have larger (Div 1) athletic departments (Gonzaga, Notre Dame, Duke, USC, etc.). 

Your typical Div 3 or NAIA school is smaller than your typical Div 1 -- though that totally over-simplifies the range and differences.