FB: Northwest Conference

[Proud Papa Joe]

The weekend can not come quick enough. Can't wait.

Leaving Friday AM. Meeting Grouchy Gramps and Granny at Seven Feathers. Then into  Mcminnville we go. Hope to be in town early Friday Afternoon. Burger and Beer sure sounds good. The Biker place ofcourse. Forgot the name. Help me out 11. Saturday AM Tailgate. Making Joe's World Famous Chili. Drinking Bud Light. Game time 1:30. It's going to be a high scoring game. Linfield Wins 38-30. Dinner and Beer With Family and Freinds. Celebrate Victory. Head home Sunday. Won't get back to Great Gridley until Monday.

Let me know who wants to hook up Friday Night. See you all there.

Pound the Rock Baby and let them Frisbee's Fly. The Rocketman and the Three headed monster can't be stopped. And don't forget, Defense wins Championships.

Lets go Cats, Wildcats that is. No Bearkitties allowed.

Sincerly PPJ

[FightBearcats]

I was at the game where Liz Heaston became the first woman to score points in a college football game - not as a player but as a fan in the stands.  The following statement cannot be allowed to stand without comment.

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It was a publicity stunt.  And no cat will ever forget it.

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It was known beforehand that Liz might suit up and might get in the game as a place kicker.  There was much anticipation on the part of Willamette supporters that it would actually happen.  In no way was it a "publicity stunt" and nobody on the Willamette side considered it as such.  Rather, it was a gutsy decision on the part of the Bearcat coaching staff to include a woman, who clearly had the skills, and establish that such a woman could play in a college football game.  That this was the first time it had happened, and it happened at Willamette University, is a source of tremendous pride within the Willamette family.  Subsequent accomplishments by outstanding women from other colleges and universities that have followed attest that it was time for it to happen.  Willamette was the first but certainly not the last.

[bluenote]

I was at the game where Liz Heaston became the first woman to score points in a college football game - not as a player but as a fan in the stands.  The following statement cannot be allowed to stand without comment.

It was a publicity stunt.  And no cat will ever forget it.

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It was known beforehand that Liz might suit up and might get in the game as a place kicker.  There was much anticipation on the part of Willamette supporters that it would actually happen.  In no way was it a "publicity stunt" and nobody on the Willamette side considered it as such.  Rather, it was a gutsy decision on the part of the Bearcat coaching staff to include a woman, who clearly had the skills, and establish that such a woman could play in a college football game.  That this was the first time it had happened, and it happened at Willamette University, is a source of tremendous pride within the Willamette family.  Subsequent accomplishments by outstanding women from other colleges and universities that have followed attest that it was time for it to happen.  Willamette was the first but certainly not the last.
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Well that's all fine and dandy...but I still think it was somewhat.....should I say controversial?   

[coco]

I was at the game where Liz Heaston became the first woman to score points in a college football game - not as a player but as a fan in the stands.  The following statement cannot be allowed to stand without comment.

It was a publicity stunt.  And no cat will ever forget it.

It was known beforehand that Liz might suit up and might get in the game as a place kicker.  There was much anticipation on the part of Willamette supporters that it would actually happen.  In no way was it a "publicity stunt" and nobody on the Willamette side considered it as such.  Rather, it was a gutsy decision on the part of the Bearcat coaching staff to include a woman, who clearly had the skills, and establish that such a woman could play in a college football game.  That this was the first time it had happened, and it happened at Willamette University, is a source of tremendous pride within the Willamette family.  Subsequent accomplishments by outstanding women from other colleges and universities that have followed attest that it was time for it to happen.  Willamette was the first but certainly not the last.
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Well that's all fine and dandy...but I still think it was somewhat.....should I say controversial?   
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I agree, Blue.
If my memory serves me correctly, we were well aware of the possibility that she might go into that game, and were not surprised. There had been enough publicity about her.

The Lebanon Valley player seems like the real deal, and good for her.

See you on Saturday, PPJ.
We will have the Warthogs with us. They were most hospitable to us when we attended a Wartburg game a few years ago.

GO CATS!

[FightBearcats]

Well, controversial is in the mind of the beholder.  The 19th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which gave women the right to vote, was controversial.  There are few today who would think it was wrong.  Many, many more issues have been "controversial"when they were first addressed.  To denigrate Liz Heaston's achievement, as has been done in this discussion, is unbecoming and reflects on those who do it.

[OxyBob]

It was a publicity stunt.  And no cat will ever forget it.

Speaking of McMinnville publicity stunts, has Bradley Berry prosecuted any teenage boys lately for slapping girls on the butt?

OxyBob

[FarAwayCat]

Ok, I regret and withdraw my comment about the "publicity stunt."  I just know that every time BearCat week comes up we Linfield Posters are reminded about it either by ourselves or like this year by one of your own posters.  It's all in good fun until someone starts pointing the discrimination finger.

Congrats to the Lebanon Valley kicker.

Big week.  Go Cats!!!!

[desertcat1]

Willamette still   SUCK   " in all ways  FOR always"
   
Go CATS
GO Big D ... bring the salt... and  The FLY will die..

[wildcat11]

Ok, I regret and withdraw my comment about the "publicity stunt." 

Don't do that because you're right...it was a publicity stunt.  

[river]

Well, controversial is in the mind of the beholder.  The 19th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which gave women the right to vote, was controversial.  There are few today who would think it was wrong.  Many, many more issues have been "controversial"when they were first addressed.  To denigrate Liz Heaston's achievement, as has been done in this discussion, is unbecoming and reflects on those who do it.

Ok, I regret and withdraw my comment about the "publicity stunt."

Don't do that because you're right...it was a publicity stunt. 

One person's "publicity stunt" is often another's "demonstration of equal rights," in this case gender equality.  If the Wildcats had won the game, and Wildcat football not been outscored by the woman soccer player, it would not have been considered such a "publicity stunt."

[wildcat11]

"demonstration of equal rights,"

Oh please...save it.  What is happening at LV is great.  The kicker there has gone through the workouts, the pain and suffering with her teammates....she's a college football player.

What happened at Willamette was a pub stunt/grab.  Hawkins had a superior team (in fact it was the best team in Willamette history but nobody ever remembers that) and he knew it.  It wasn't like WU was lacking in the position because another player handled the kicking duties earlier in the contest and she didn't kick till the 2nd half.  She kicked in one more game after that and left the team.   There was a gaggle of press on hand and it generated a ton of publicity for Willamette and Hawkins. 

The difference is the kicker at LV just wants to go about her business as a college football player while Willamette made Liz kicking for a game or two into a media circus.    "equal rights" my rear end...Hawkins couldn't give two craps about equal rights...he was there to win games and get his DI job.  Mission Accomplished.

[coco]

Well said, 11. The Lebanon Valley player is a full-fledged team member.

Liz was a quick flash in the pan for the Bearcats. It's laughable to compare her to a Suffragette.

[Bearcat Press]

11 -

I'm not trying to get your hackles up, but there are a couple of things that you've overlooked here:

(in fact it was the best team in Willamette history but nobody ever remembers that)

The 1997 team is legendary at Willamette.  If Pinkerton's leg doesn't get broken, we win the national title.  They were inducted en masse into the Willamette Hall of Fame in 2005 along with Coach Hawkins.  Pinkerton was actually inducted at last year's Linfield game, where he got a standing ovation.

It wasn't like WU was lacking in the position because another player handled the kicking duties earlier in the contest and she didn't kick till the 2nd half.  She kicked in one more game after that and left the team.

Gordon Thompson, Willamette's kicker that year, had been inured earlier that season and was unable to kick during the two weeks prior to the Linfield game (IIRC, WU had a bye before Linfield that year).  Hawkins needed a kicker, and first called Willamette's men's soccer coach.  But since men's soccer plays their games at 2:30 pm on Saturday afternoons, none of his players were available.  Women's soccer, however, plays at noon, and then-coach Jim Tursi recommended Heaston - on the condition that she not miss her soccer game.  That's why she was late to the stadium.

Thompson had recovered enough to kick some, so he handled kicking duties until Liz arrived.  He resumed his job as the team's starting kicker the next week.  One game when he was playing poorly, Hawkins pulled him for Liz, but he was Willamette's regular kicker - which he why Liz didn't play much.  She was a backup, called in out of necessity.

There was a gaggle of press on hand and it generated a ton of publicity for Willamette and Hawkins.

She was first woman ever to play in a college football game.  Of course it got a ton of publicity.  Her cleats are in the College Football Hall of Fame, for pete's sake.

The difference is the kicker at LV just wants to go about her business as a college football player.

Which she is able to do, partially thanks to Liz Heaston's kick in 1997.

he was there to win games and get his DI job.

Which he did, after turning an historically terrible program into a perennial contender.

[wildcat11]

B-Press,

You're the one that stirred this up to begin with. 

I've already stated my stance and that's how I'll feel.  Enough of this debate...we have the biggest game of the season in the NWC and all we've done is talk about this for two straight days.  We should pick this up at another date and lets talk about why Willamette blows and Linfield is the superior program (8-2 the past 10 years vs WU).  Go 'Cats!

[Bearcat Press]

B-Press,

You're the one that stirred this up to begin with. 

I've already stated my stance and that's how I'll feel.  Enough of this debate...we have the biggest game of the season in the NWC and all we've done is talk about this for two straight days.  We should pick this up at another date and lets talk about why Willamette blows and Linfield is the superior program (8-2 the past 10 years vs WU).  Go 'Cats!

1-2 the last three years.