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Pat Coleman

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CalCat

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Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2010, 11:24:40 PM
Ahh, yes, I was wrong, she did say there would be 5 C's next year.

She really is mistaken, though, I believe.

This year we have 226 teams eligible for the Division III football championship (not the 10 NESCAC teams, not Birmingham-Southern, but everyone else).

198 teams are in Pool A (AQ conferences), divided by 23 bids = 8.609 teams for each spot
28 teams are in Pool B. Divide that by 8.609 and you get 3.25 bids. They always round down, so it's three.
The leftover bids are Pool C bids. That's six.

Let's say that only the UMAC gets a new automatic bid next year.
Nine teams move from Pool B to the UMAC automatic bid, plus a 10th school starts football.
Salisbury and Frostburg State move from Pool B to the Empire 8.
Stevenson adds football and joins the MAC in Pool A.
Birmingham-Southern finishes its provisional years and counts as a member of the Pool A SCAC.
DePauw leaves the SCAC and spends one year in limbo in Pool B.
Pool B's net loss is 10 teams, giving them 18. Pool A's net gain is 12 teams, giving them 210.

210 teams are in Pool A (AQ conferences), divided by 24 bids = 8.75 teams for each spot
18 teams are in Pool B. Divide that by 8.75 and you get 2.057 bids. They always round down, so it's two.
The leftover bids are Pool C bids. That's six.

Now, let's add the ECFC to this list. That's eight more teams, one more AQ.

That means 218 teams are in Pool A, divided by 25 bids, 8.72 teams for each spot.
10 teams are in Pool B. Divide that by 8.72 and you get 1.147 bids. Round down to 1.
The leftover bids are Pool C bids. That's six.

When you do the math that makes sense. 
The real point I was trying to make was based on the reciepe the committee is given we get the cake the way it is.  Change the reciepe get a different cake but the committee I don't think should be faulted the way the cake turns out based on what they are charged with doing.  They have a difficult task.
CalCat

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Quote from: Gig Harbor Cat on November 16, 2010, 10:13:16 AM
I get it now--since UWW is the#1 in their bracket and has to travel== All we have to do is beat Cal Transfer University and The Tommie-eh would have to come to the Catdome again for their second beatdown from the Cats !!

Phone it in

GHC

Except St. Thomas is a number one seed and Linfield would have to travel to Minnesota.  :P

Gig Harbor Cat

Well, since our local commitee (of Cat Fans) doesn't recognize the Tommies-eh as the number 1 seed they will just have to travel to the Catdome, should we both win this Sat.


Gig Harbor Cat

Quote from: CalCat on November 16, 2010, 10:53:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2010, 11:24:40 PM
Ahh, yes, I was wrong, she did say there would be 5 C's next year.

She really is mistaken, though, I believe.

This year we have 226 teams eligible for the Division III football championship (not the 10 NESCAC teams, not Birmingham-Southern, but everyone else).

198 teams are in Pool A (AQ conferences), divided by 23 bids = 8.609 teams for each spot
28 teams are in Pool B. Divide that by 8.609 and you get 3.25 bids. They always round down, so it's three.
The leftover bids are Pool C bids. That's six.

Let's say that only the UMAC gets a new automatic bid next year.
Nine teams move from Pool B to the UMAC automatic bid, plus a 10th school starts football.
Salisbury and Frostburg State move from Pool B to the Empire 8.
Stevenson adds football and joins the MAC in Pool A.
Birmingham-Southern finishes its provisional years and counts as a member of the Pool A SCAC.
DePauw leaves the SCAC and spends one year in limbo in Pool B.
Pool B's net loss is 10 teams, giving them 18. Pool A's net gain is 12 teams, giving them 210.

210 teams are in Pool A (AQ conferences), divided by 24 bids = 8.75 teams for each spot
18 teams are in Pool B. Divide that by 8.75 and you get 2.057 bids. They always round down, so it's two.
The leftover bids are Pool C bids. That's six.

Now, let's add the ECFC to this list. That's eight more teams, one more AQ.

That means 218 teams are in Pool A, divided by 25 bids, 8.72 teams for each spot.
10 teams are in Pool B. Divide that by 8.72 and you get 1.147 bids. Round down to 1.
The leftover bids are Pool C bids. That's six.

When you do the math that makes sense. 
The real point I was trying to make was based on the reciepe the committee is given we get the cake the way it is.  Change the reciepe get a different cake but the committee I don't think should be faulted the way the cake turns out based on what they are charged with doing.  They have a difficult task.

When you have 8-1 teams sitting home and 5-5 teams in the dance there must be a change somewhere

Pat Coleman

Inclusiveness is a good thing, unless we want to make this a BCS-style party where only the elite conferences can get access. This is what Division III is all about.

The alternative setup, which was the 16-team, no automatic bid, politics-fest, was no good. The Division III philosophy promoting championship access forced the NCAA to loosen the purse strings and allow for this five-week tournament.

Methinks Linfield would be perfectly happy to take a playoff bid at, for example, 6-3 if it won the conference title.
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Kingsmen4

Quote from: Gig Harbor Cat on November 16, 2010, 01:41:00 PM
Well, since our local commitee (of Cat Fans) doesn't recognize the Tommies-eh as the number 1 seed they will just have to travel to the Catdome, should we both win this Sat.

Whoa Whoa Whoa ... Keyword SHOULD. I wouldn't make any travel plans yet. PHONE IT IN!!!

-Go LU

D O.C.

"Methinks Linfield would be perfectly happy to take a playoff bid at, for example, 6-3 if it won the conference title."  and then ran the table   ;)

Kingsmen4

BTW I'm assuming by the lack of content concerning your game this weekend here, or over on the SCIAC board from any of you Linfield guys and/or gals that you have a little less confidence than last year?

I remember a whole lot of pink frisbee, rocket boy, and salty "D" being bashed over my head a year ago ... and now crickets??

where are you at???  :D :D

MonroviaCat

Quote from: Kingsmen4 on November 16, 2010, 03:31:29 PM
BTW I'm assuming by the lack of content concerning your game this weekend here, or over on the SCIAC board from any of you Linfield guys and/or gals that you have a little less confidence than last year?

I remember a whole lot of pink frisbee, rocket boy, and salty "D" being bashed over my head a year ago ... and now crickets??

where are you at???  :D :D
We're saving it up for St. Thomas. :)  Honesly---if the Cats take better care of the ball than they did in round #1 then the Kingsmen are gonna have a long flight back to SoCal....  Ya think they'll slap a cast on the RB's arm for good luck and assume a fighting stance?
Go Cats!

02 Warhawk

I have to say...looking at which perennial powerhouse teams has the toughest road to the finals...I would have to give that award to Linfield. Just looking at their potential match ups each of these upcoming weeks looks very daunting.

I can imagine the players and coaches are licking their chops to get back at Cal. Lutheran..

Best of Luck  :)

Bombers798891

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2010, 02:03:56 PM
Inclusiveness is a good thing, unless we want to make this a BCS-style party where only the elite conferences can get access. This is what Division III is all about.

The alternative setup, which was the 16-team, no automatic bid, politics-fest, was no good.

Yeah, and it's even harder in D-III than D-1A because you'd have nearly double the teams and no way to even remotely compare them due to the regional nature of the sport and lack of publicity--outside of this site really.

I can understand how a Rowan (or whoever) fan thinking about being 8-1 in that last week and needing a win and help to make the playoffs, while a 4-5 St. Lawrence could lose and not even worry. But short of some sort of "Minimum wins" requirement like D-I has for bowl bids, what other option is there? (This SLU team was a rarity anyway in that they could have been in at 4-6)

Frankly, I'm not necessarily opposed to that idea in theory, although it probably would be tough to pull of in reality. But a "You must be at least (or over, if you prefer) .500 to qualify for the NCAA's as a Pool A," clause? Meh, worse things have transpired in sports. 

MonroviaCat

All NWC team is here:  http://www.nwcsports.com/sports/fball/2010-11/news/allnwc and once again, if you didn't get a spot on this team, you probably did not play football in the NWC.....3 first team QBs????  C'mon....
Go Cats!

Bearcat Press

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Quote from: MonroviaCat on November 16, 2010, 05:51:35 PM
All NWC team is here:  http://www.nwcsports.com/sports/fball/2010-11/news/allnwc and once again, if you didn't get a spot on this team, you probably did not play football in the NWC.....3 first team QBs????  C'mon....

Absolutely ridiculous.
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Gray Fox

Quote from: MonroviaCat on November 16, 2010, 05:51:35 PM
All NWC team is here:  http://www.nwcsports.com/sports/fball/2010-11/news/allnwc and once again, if you didn't get a spot on this team, you probably did not play football in the NWC.....3 first team QBs????  C'mon....
And one is the offensive POY. ::)
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