FB: Northwest Conference

[cawcdad]

Cool Cat, your caution should be our two tackles, I hope they are having nightmares, not an old fart like me. Went on the Redlands site and took a look at the photos next to box score tab. In short go to the last page of pictures to make it easy, kudos to the OL coach for teaching holding, of course in D3 it does not get called, why we did not do the same to #55 I will never understand. In one picture the LF linemen were undressing the kid and they were not on a date....look how badly his jersey is turned...Coach L, you need to check it out.

Good luck against the Lutes,...I like the Cats even though I am allergic. BTW, your players were gentlemen at our stadium too.

Dogs did some holding too. Even on #55 http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=4827&photo=0105

Holding happens on every play: http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=4828&photo=0353

[cawcdad]

So a few of you have seen Willamette in action. What's the scoop? That's not very many pass attempts (17). But the run game isn't a return to the fly, is it?

I've watched both of their games online--they don't impress---their D seems pretty susceptible to a good passing attack.  Offensively, they are running more this year (some fly--but not a "return").  I think the QB situation and/or lack of time to throw are the main reason they are not putting the ball in the air but others may have more information.  Cawcdad was at the game last week and his observation was that Willamette is basically a "big play" offense.  They have a whole lot of nothing and then---boom!--Big play.  yards in 7 plays that included a They are also pretty sloppy--lots of turnover---against 2 mediocre (at best) defenses.  I suspect that they will struggle against the better teams in conference...I am curious to see what PLU does vs. Trinity since Cal LU gave you guys more of a game (in the 2nd half)  than they managed to give Willamette (who wore them down and then had their way with them in the 2nd half)....

I decided to go back and look at the box score to see if my observations were correct about Willamette. I was right.
One score was a 6yd short field. Here are the others.
79 yd in 3 plays including a 42 and 32 yard runs
79 yd in 7 plays including a 53 yd run
94 yards in 8 plays including a 45 yard TD run
92 yards in 8 plays including a 54 yard TD run
The only "regular drive" was 90 yards in 9 plays kept alive by a 15 yard CLU facemask.
#1 Dylan Jones is the real deal. Tough runner. The amazing thing is the four big runs were from 4 different ball carriers.

[Pinecone_Curtain]

Heading up to Whitworth for the Chapman game on Saturday. Then over to Hope ID for a week. Any suggestions for places to eat?

Should be a high scoring game.

Depends on what you're looking for.

Wolf Lodge in Coeur d'Alene is the best steakhouse in the area, The Elk in Spokane has killer pork tacos (and make sure to get the corn pasta), and if you're into healthy and natural food, Central Foods in Spokane is really good--plus it has a great view of downtown/river. Up north by Whitworth Selkirk and McClain's have good pizza and are great places to watch sports. Hope that helps!

[dahlby]

Thanks Pinecone!

[badgerwarhawk]

Cool Cat, your caution should be our two tackles, I hope they are having nightmares, not an old fart like me. Went on the Redlands site and took a look at the photos next to box score tab. In short go to the last page of pictures to make it easy, kudos to the OL coach for teaching holding, of course in D3 it does not get called, why we did not do the same to #55 I will never understand. In one picture the LF linemen were undressing the kid and they were not on a date....look how badly his jersey is turned...Coach L, you need to check it out.

Good luck against the Lutes,...I like the Cats even though I am allergic. BTW, your players were gentlemen at our stadium too.

Dogs did some holding too. Even on #55 http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=4827&photo=0105

Holding happens on every play: http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=4828&photo=0353

I didn't look at the pictures that started the discussion but your first picture isn't a hold.  At least not by rule. Players are allowed to grab as long as their hands are in front and inside the shoulders.  The second picture is clearly a hold.

[cawcdad]

Cool Cat, your caution should be our two tackles, I hope they are having nightmares, not an old fart like me. Went on the Redlands site and took a look at the photos next to box score tab. In short go to the last page of pictures to make it easy, kudos to the OL coach for teaching holding, of course in D3 it does not get called, why we did not do the same to #55 I will never understand. In one picture the LF linemen were undressing the kid and they were not on a date....look how badly his jersey is turned...Coach L, you need to check it out.

Good luck against the Lutes,...I like the Cats even though I am allergic. BTW, your players were gentlemen at our stadium too.

Dogs did some holding too. Even on #55 http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=4827&photo=0105

Holding happens on every play: http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=4828&photo=0353

I didn't look at the pictures that started the discussion but your first picture isn't a hold.  At least not by rule. Players are allowed to grab as long as their hands are in front and inside the shoulders.  The second picture is clearly a hold.

I know that. But the insinuation is that one team was holding all the time and the other not. There were a number of times where what you see in the second image (and original image) happened but no flag thrown and no argument from either side because that is a quick brief moment and then OL / DL separated.

[badgerwarhawk]

Cool Cat, your caution should be our two tackles, I hope they are having nightmares, not an old fart like me. Went on the Redlands site and took a look at the photos next to box score tab. In short go to the last page of pictures to make it easy, kudos to the OL coach for teaching holding, of course in D3 it does not get called, why we did not do the same to #55 I will never understand. In one picture the LF linemen were undressing the kid and they were not on a date....look how badly his jersey is turned...Coach L, you need to check it out.

Good luck against the Lutes,...I like the Cats even though I am allergic. BTW, your players were gentlemen at our stadium too.

Dogs did some holding too. Even on #55 http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=4827&photo=0105

Holding happens on every play: http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=4828&photo=0353

I didn't look at the pictures that started the discussion but your first picture isn't a hold.  At least not by rule. Players are allowed to grab as long as their hands are in front and inside the shoulders.  The second picture is clearly a hold.

I know that. But the insinuation is that one team was holding all the time and the other not. There were a number of times where what you see in the second image (and original image) happened but no flag thrown and no argument from either side because that is a quick brief moment and then OL / DL separated.

I realize holding is a regular thing and works both ways and I agree that the insinuation that it only happened on one side of the ball is probably absurd.  But when you stated "Dogs did some holding too.  Even on #55" I took your point to be that Redlands was also guilty of holding.  So attaching a picture in which holding, by rule, isn't happening and another that has nothing to do with the game doesn't do a whole lot to support your point as I understood it.  Maybe I misunderstood and if so I stand corrected.

[olddog]

As an old dog, I just don't like how the game has progressed where versions of holding are ok. The NFL refs seem to call it tighter than D3, I think D3 refs are fair both ways, so I am not complaining about that issue. I just think holding has gone too far.
I am old enough to remember when you had to keep your hands in or you would be called. In that era one could hit the receiver anywhere he went except when the ball was in the air. Todays blocking is a version of Sumo wrestling in my opinion, and one can not hit the WR beyond 5 yards.
My preference is if they went back to where one can not grab anything just extend arms and punch. It would be an easier call to make for refs. All my personal choice and I know it will never go back that way because the NFL loves the passing game.
BTW talking to my buddy last night about the game, he would have been less frustrated if we got caught holding all night. Not doing what it takes to protect a QB violates all football code.

ps...the guy with his hands inside is not one of our tackles...it is that stupid onside toss play we tried to run.

[bluenote]

...this seems rather strange not having a home football game until mid October. 

[RFB]

Cool Cat, your caution should be our two tackles, I hope they are having nightmares, not an old fart like me. Went on the Redlands site and took a look at the photos next to box score tab. In short go to the last page of pictures to make it easy, kudos to the OL coach for teaching holding, of course in D3 it does not get called, why we did not do the same to #55 I will never understand. In one picture the LF linemen were undressing the kid and they were not on a date....look how badly his jersey is turned...Coach L, you need to check it out.

Good luck against the Lutes,...I like the Cats even though I am allergic. BTW, your players were gentlemen at our stadium too.

Seriously Olddog. You're going to the holding card? You must have a kid on the team that has too many participation trophies in his room.

[wildcat11]

...this seems rather strange not having a home football game until mid October. 

Would you rather Linfield suck so we can pick up home games with the likes of Claremont Mudd Scripts or Whittier to start the season?  Linfield's home and homes were up with HSU and CLU and both parties elected not the play Linfield anymore. 

So that left two open slots and when you're begging just to get a game you're not in the position to dictate terms.  When Chapman called they only had 3 home games on their 2014 schedule so the deal was if they took the Linfield game it had to be in Orange so they could have a 4th home game this season.  And there was no way Redlands was going to go from UMHB to Linfield on back-to-back weekends.  Linfield could have said no to Chapman and gone to Menlo instead.  Would that have been better?

Yeah, it sucks but it's a result of being out on the far left coast and being really damn good.

[wildcat11]

Well...at least we're not talking about the weather anymore.

Catdomealumni.com's YouTube Page: 2014 Linfield Wildcats Football: Redlands Mini Highlight

[bluenote]

Wildcat11.... I understand the logistics, etc. I'm just saying from the standpoint of a 50 year fan, it just seems strange. I know there is nothing we can or could have done about it. Next year will be different. PLU is only a 3.5 hour drive after the bye week.

[MonroviaCat]

Could be worse...at least we have all D3 opponents this year....though if the Cats wanted to add a Claremont or the like for a 10th game that would be cool

[bluenote]

That's true and would be fine with me. Did you see Wesley's schedule......10 games but only 5 D3....how is that going to work on the SOS rankings when playoff time comes?