Top 25 talk

[smedindy]

Again, I really think its too early to use Massey for anything but a general guide, not gospel. But yeah, Whitewater's best win was over an NAIA team whose best win was against Washington Adventist (The Shock, for you nickname people).

Meanwhile, River Falls has played a decent schedule and I'd say they may be the best WIAC team this season.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The holiday break for some teams has started and for others is about to begin. Where does everyone stand? What have we learned as we finish the first "half" of the season? On Sunday's edition of Hoopsville, Dave talks to some teams who are making waves early and takes the pulse of the season so far.

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[iwumichigander]

Still scrolling, scrolling oops, scrolling some more

Don't blame you. The personal attacks against me have gotten ridiculous.

scrolling you because you just do not get it. Read the terms of service --- and, to save your valuable time read 1,3 and 5 --- particularly read number five

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Nearly Complete)

Three late results will be edited in when available:
Whitman vs. Wooster
Whitworth vs. La Verne
Susquehanna vs. LaGrange

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	622	Amherst	8-1	LOST at Springfield, 70-71
#2	595	Babson	9-1	IDLE
#3	576	Whitman	7-0	def. T#35 Wooster, 80-79
#4	525	Marietta	8-1	def. Wilmington, 104-77
#5	489	Christopher Newport	6-2	LOST at #10 Salisbury, 58-59
#6	474	St. Norbert	5-1	IDLE
#7	456	Rochester	10-0	def. Union, 77-58
#8	435	Whitworth	6-1	won at La Verne, 96-88
#9	396	Tufts	8-2	won at Framingham State, 74-56
#10	390	Salisbury	8-0	def. #5 Christopher Newport, 59-58
#11	336	UW-Eau Claire	8-1	IDLE
#12	314	Benedictine	7-2	won at Aurora, 96-93; 12/17 vs. Marian postponed
#13	267	North Central (Ill.)	6-3	won at Albion, 68-57; LOST to Robert Morris-Chicago, 70-77
#14	257	Hope	5-2	IDLE
#15	201	Swarthmore	8-1	LOST to Rowan, 84-92; def. Averett, 61-60
#16	187	Denison	8-1	LOST at Capital, 75-84
#17	184	Washington U.	6-3	LOST to #21 Illinois Wesleyan, 72-73
#18	175	Susquehanna	8-1	def. LaGrange, 82-65
#19	170	North Park	7-1	def. Trine, 81-62
#20	135	UW-Whitewater	7-0	IDLE
#21	112	Illinois Wesleyan	7-2	won at #17 Washington U., 73-72
#22	97	Wesleyan	9-0	IDLE
#23	93	Wartburg	8-1	IDLE
#24	63	Augustana	8-3	LOST at UW-La Crosse, 63-74; def. #31 Central, 88-73
#25	62	UW-River Falls	9-1	won at Carleton, 69-64; won at Hamline, 89-58

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	54	New Jersey City	9-1	def. Albertus Magnus, 81-59
#27	49	Neumann	8-0	IDLE
#28	39	Emory	6-2	IDLE
#29	38	Middlebury	7-1	IDLE
#30	30	Endicott	6-2	IDLE
#31	29	Central	7-2	LOST at #24 Augustana, 73-88
T#32	27	Chicago	8-1	def. (n) Monmouth, 93-77; won at Rhodes, 121-101
T#32	27	Lycoming	10-1	def. Alvernia, 86-85; def. Nazareth, 86-78; def. SUNY Potsdam, 86-64
#34	25	Keene State	6-2	IDLE
T#35	23	Wooster	5-4	LOST at #3 Whitman, 79-80
T#35	23	Virginia Wesleyan	7-2	def. Wesley, 100-67
#37	19	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	6-1	LOST at Westmont, 64-80
#38	18	Baldwin Wallace	6-3	def. Pitt-Greensburg, 121-59; LOST to Capital, 62-75
#39	17	Brockport	8-1	IDLE
#40	15	Misericordia	8-1	IDLE
T#41	14	Bethel	7-1	won at Concordia-St. Paul, 87-69
T#41	14	Mount St. Joseph	8-2	LOST at Thomas More, 62-65; def. Defiance, 73-66
T#41	14	Scranton	7-2	LOST at Arcadia, 66-77; won at Emory and Henry, 63-51
#44	13	Ramapo	9-0	def. (n) Farmingdale State, 88-73
#45	12	Williams	8-1	IDLE
#46	4	Carroll	5-2	IDLE
T#47	3	WPI	7-2	IDLE
T#47	3	UW-Stevens Point	4-3	LOST at #49 St. Thomas, 64-73
#49	2	St. Thomas	6-3	def. T#47 UW-Stevens Point, 73-64
T#50	1	MIT	7-3	LOST at Mass-Dartmouth, 70-72
T#50	1	Ripon	6-0	IDLE

[sac]

Bump

Salisbury's game winning shot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNkcW55x6Ks&feature=youtu.be

[ElRetornodelEspencio]

Again, I really think its too early to use Massey for anything but a general guide, not gospel. But yeah, Whitewater's best win was over an NAIA team whose best win was against Washington Adventist (The Shock, for you nickname people).

Meanwhile, River Falls has played a decent schedule and I'd say they may be the best WIAC team this season.

Wouldn't disagree with RF as the best. or Eau Claire. Could be any of the 3. They all seem tournament-capable but we'll see. The WIAC has 6-7 teams that could contend for that.

Washington Adventist is comparable to St. Norbert or IWU.

[ElRetornodelEspencio]

Three late results will be edited in when available:
Whitman vs. Wooster

This is shaping up to be a really good game. Whitman was up 10 early in the 2nd half but Wooster has erased almost all of the lead. Whitman by 2 right now.

Whitman announcer clearly didn't check pronunciations.

Officials calling it way too tight on both ends. Whitman in 2 shot foul for 12 minutes.

[gordonmann]

Scheduling note. I'm going to release the Top 25 poll a little later than usual tomorrow, hopefully around 9 or 9:30 pm ET because of these late finishes and holiday travels for some of our voters.

Figured people on this board would want to know.

[ElRetornodelEspencio]

Whitman wins by a point. 80-79. Milt Davis will see 2 wide open jumpers in his sleep tonight. Couldn't make either one. Not really sure why he was behind the 3 point line to take them. Didn't need 3.

Whitman pretty much relied on Harrison and Howell to make things happen for them.

Despite the loss, Wooster showed there's still something to them. Played most of the game without Fanelly due to the aforementioned crazy tight whistle. One guy kept making calls that weren't his to make from the outside position.

Can see why Whitman overwhelms less athletic teams. Will be interesting to see how they match up against another athletic club.

[Fifth and Putnam]

Some interesting holiday games this week in the Top 25 as we get #4 Marietta taking on #22 Wesleyan and #3 Whitman on back to back nights Wednesday and Thursday down in Daytona. The Pioneers can't look ahead to Whitman because Wesleyan is certainly good enough to punish them. It's also another great opportunity to add two more quality wins to an already impressive resume for Marietta.

[ElRetornodelEspencio]

Some interesting holiday games this week in the Top 25 as we get #4 Marietta taking on #22 Wesleyan and #3 Whitman on back to back nights Wednesday and Thursday down in Daytona. The Pioneers can't look ahead to Whitman because Wesleyan is certainly good enough to punish them. It's also another great opportunity to add two more quality wins to an already impressive resume for Marietta.

Oh man, Marietta talk when they're not even playing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOy6hqzfsAs

[Gregory Sager]

Scheduling note. I'm going to release the Top 25 poll a little later than usual tomorrow, hopefully around 9 or 9:30 pm ET because of these late finishes and holiday travels for some of our voters.

Figured people on this board would want to know.

Thanks for the heads-up, Gordo. Yes, for the first time in a long time, I'm actually waiting with bated breath on Mondays for the new poll to come out. I'm sure that you can guess why.

[ElRetornodelEspencio]

Should be interesting to see who is the new #1. Really should be Whitman but who knows with the northeast bias in the poll. The current #2's most impressive data point is somehow a loss to a team that lost to a team ranked 231st. Bizarre cognitive disconnect there.

Salisbury should really get strong consideration moving up too. Will voters note the difference in margin between Marietta and Salisbury vs. CNU (or Marietta and Whitman vs. Wooster)? Should they? Could go either way.

I assume Neumann and Whitewater will continue to get dissed because voters didn't expect them to be good. It's all their fault for the voters not thinking more of them!

Will voters continue to bundle Babs and Amy based on a head to head result? If the opinion of Babs is based on "well most games they would have beaten Amy", what does that say now that Amy got beat by a bad team? Would be interesting to see opinions of a team changed based on what someone that beat them did, but that's relaly about all the info you have on those teams. Amy has proven nothing to suggest they're even a top 25 team other than beat another team that hasn't really proved anything. It's really ridiculous how much voters are believing in this self-perpetuating loop. Do I really think the northeast biased vote will make that adjustment? Nope. But they should.

The biases and logical breaks will be very plain to see with the results of this poll.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Watched Whitman and Wooster tonight - those seems like pretty evenly matched teams.  I'll hold off making any huge changes until we see Whitman in Florida next week.

[ElRetornodelEspencio]

Watched Whitman and Wooster tonight - those seems like pretty evenly matched teams.  I'll hold off making any huge changes until we see Whitman in Florida next week.

But surely you don't think that was even a 50th%ile game for Whitman. Heck if they just shoot their average from the foul line, they win by 10 or so.

So by the Babs precedent, don't you have to give them credit as if they had won by more? That's basically what the case was for Babs when they played Amy -- "they lost, but they could have played better and if they had, they would have won."

You see the logical failure now? You have to apply that logic to every single game or you're being biased.