Top 25 talk

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · January 21, 2018, 04:15:45 PM

By this point in most seasons, the usual names appear at the top of conferences races and conversations surround the usual suspects. Not the case this year. There are new names at the top, or in the mix, of conferences around the country.

That excitement is what is driving the 2017-18 season and makes any night in Division III must-watch.

On Sunday's episode of Hoopsville, Dave talks to some new face leading or in the mix in their respective conferences from four or the regions around the country. Can these teams keep their success through the end of the season or has the challenge just gotten that much more difficult as the second half of conference schedules begins.

There is also some Top 25 discussion to be had. Ryan Scott makes his weekly appearance in "Top 25 Double-take."

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET right here: http://bit.ly/2DnzrgG.

A reminder that Sunday shows tend to focus on the Northeast, Atlantic, South, and Central regions primarily.

If you have questions, feel free to interact witht he show (information to the right) or send an email (hoopsville@d3hoops.com) and maybe have your question be featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment.

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Rusty Rogers, Concordia-Chicago women's coach
- Adam Stockwell, No. 14 Hamilton men's coach
- Katie Pearson, Cabrini women's coach
- David Smith, Methodist men's coach
- Ryan Scott, "Top 25 Double-take"

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Darryl Nester · January 21, 2018, 04:42:21 PM

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Whitman	17-0	won at Linfield, 82-78; won at Willamette, 75-59
#2	555	UW-Whitewater	14-3	LOST to UW-Stevens Point, 69-75; won at UW-La Crosse, 67-64 OT
#3	541	Washington U.	14-2	won at Case Western Reserve, 100-64; won at Carnegie Mellon, 104-70
#4	519	York (Pa.)	16-1	won at St. Mary's (Md.), 88-74; LOST at Mary Washington, 57-59
#5	497	Wittenberg	17-0	def. #23 Ohio Wesleyan, 93-72; won at Allegheny, 87-58
#6	444	UW-Oshkosh	13-4	LOST at #29 UW-Platteville, 57-72; LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 57-60
#7	440	Whitworth	15-2	won at Willamette, 67-65; won at Linfield, 63-55
#8	434	Augustana	14-3	won at Elmhurst, 90-80; won at North Park, 74-60
#9	415	MIT	15-2	LOST to Springfield, 65-68; won at Babson, 80-78 OT
#10	371	Lycoming	17-1	def. Hood, 106-100 OT
#11	357	Williams	13-4	def. Amherst, 72-69; LOST at #16 Middlebury, 66-70
#12	347	St. John's	14-1	def. Macalester, 133-80; def. St. Thomas, 77-62
#13	346	UW-River Falls	12-4	LOST at UW-La Crosse, 54-62; def. UW-Stout, 96-68
#14	331	Hamilton	15-1	def. SUNY Geneseo, 74-70; LOST at Amherst, 49-75
#15	295	Swarthmore	15-2	won at Haverford, 65-60 OT; def. Dickinson, 82-74
#16	268	Middlebury	14-3	def. Albertus Magnus, 77-73 OT; def. #11 Williams, 70-66; won at Pine Manor, 87-62
#17	212	Emory	14-2	won at New York University, 73-68; won at Brandeis, 90-57
#18	189	Marietta	13-4	def. Capital, 82-68; LOST at #20 John Carroll, 77-99
#19	176	Wesleyan	13-3	won at Johnson and Wales, 69-45; def. Connecticut College, 89-51
#20	121	John Carroll	14-3	LOST at T#37 Baldwin Wallace, 79-88; def. #18 Marietta, 99-77
#21	106	Franklin and Marshall	14-3	LOST at Dickinson, 50-55; won at Haverford, 79-68
#22	104	Eastern Connecticut	15-2	won at #39 Keene State, 70-64; def. Rhode Island College, 61-49
#23	84	Ohio Wesleyan	12-5	LOST at #5 Wittenberg, 72-93; won at DePauw, 77-72
#24	66	Illinois Wesleyan	14-3	def. Millikin, 78-62; won at Carroll, 82-70
#25	41	Rochester	13-3	won at Brandeis, 75-66; won at New York University, 87-82

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	38	Emory and Henry	16-1	def. Lynchburg, 102-81; def. T#41 Randolph-Macon, 75-65
#27	33	Nichols	14-2	won at Eastern Nazarene, 79-76; def. Roger Williams, 82-79
#28	31	Tufts	12-5	LOST to Bates, 75-77
#29	28	UW-Platteville	14-3	def. #6 UW-Oshkosh, 72-57; LOST at UW-Stevens Point, 74-80
#30	18	New Jersey City	14-3	def. Rutgers-Newark, 80-68; def. Rutgers-Camden, 76-54
#31	15	Wartburg	12-5	def. Buena Vista, 85-65; LOST at Nebraska Wesleyan, 60-99
#32	13	Adrian	13-4	LOST to Olivet, 62-65; LOST at Alma, 66-73
T#33	11	Ramapo	14-4	won at William Paterson, 73-61; def. Stockton, 89-60
T#33	11	Salem State	15-3	won at Bates, 83-81; def. Bridgewater State, 85-79; def. Westfield State, 107-85
#35	9	Juniata	14-3	LOST at Susquehanna, 68-70; def. Moravian, 76-65
#36	7	Cabrini	14-2	def. Neumann, 105-76; won at Marywood, 87-76
T#37	5	Baldwin Wallace	14-3	def. #20 John Carroll, 88-79; def. Muskingum, 99-70
T#37	5	Hanover	13-4	won at Mount St. Joseph, 64-41; def. Franklin, 74-65
#39	4	Keene State	12-5	LOST to #22 Eastern Connecticut, 64-70; won at Mass-Boston, 82-76
#40	3	Bethel	12-4	LOST at St. Thomas, 78-81; won at Carleton, 68-57
T#41	2	Loras	14-4	def. Central, 109-92; won at Luther, 85-38
T#41	2	Occidental	14-2	won at Chapman, 70-60; won at Redlands, 67-62
T#41	2	Randolph-Macon	13-4	def. Hampden-Sydney, 81-50; LOST at #26 Emory and Henry, 65-75
T#41	2	Wheaton (Ill.)	13-4	won at Carthage, 90-81; def. Illinois Tech, 76-55
T#45	1	North Central (Ill.)	12-5	def. Finlandia, 102-50; LOST at Elmhurst, 77-91
T#45	1	Wooster	13-4	won at Kenyon, 75-55; won at Wabash, 80-72

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · January 21, 2018, 04:55:06 PM

Thank you, Darryl. Helpful as always, especially for me on air.

Darryl Nester · January 21, 2018, 05:25:32 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2018, 04:55:06 PM
Thank you, Darryl. Helpful as always, especially for me on air.

Happy to help, Dave.

Fifth and Putnam · January 21, 2018, 06:36:35 PM

I'll be glad to take a shot at the Great Lakes as well. Probably will get around to it tomorrow. Just need to carve out some time.

Knightstalker · January 21, 2018, 06:49:36 PM

I took a stab at the Atlantic Region. I used the criteria Titan Q specified and listed what I feel were the three best wins for each team. I added up the rankings and divided by three if listed in the D3 poll or 2 if only listed in Massey and KS polls. I am not a numbers person and this was the best I could come up with.

1. Gwynedd Mercy vs Cabrini, at Rosemont, vs Neumann
2. Ramapo vs MSU, at Stockton, vs NJCU
3. Cabrini vs Eastern CT, at Rosemont, vs Nuemann
4. NJCU vs Stevens Tech, vs Gwynedd Mercy, at Albertus Magnus
5. Nuemann vs Eastern, vs Rosemont, vs Marywood
6. TCNJ at Rowan, vs Ramapo, at Montclair
7. DeSales at Rosemont, vs Wilkes, vs Catholic
8. Montclair at Eastern CT, at NJCU, vs Stockton
9. Lehman vs Mt. St. Vincent, vs Southern Vermont, at Staten Island
10. Stockton vs William Paterson, at Linfield, vs Rowan

Titan Q · January 21, 2018, 07:13:08 PM

Quote from: Knightstalker on January 21, 2018, 06:49:36 PM
I took a stab at the Atlantic Region. I used the criteria Titan Q specified and listed what I feel were the three best wins for each team. I added up the rankings and divided by three if listed in the D3 poll or 2 if only listed in Massey and KS polls. I am not a numbers person and this was the best I could come up with.

1. Gwynedd Mercy vs Cabrini, at Rosemont, vs Neumann
2. Ramapo vs MSU, at Stockton, vs NJCU
3. Cabrini vs Eastern CT, at Rosemont, vs Nuemann
4. NJCU vs Stevens Tech, vs Gwynedd Mercy, at Albertus Magnus
5. Nuemann vs Eastern, vs Rosemont, vs Marywood
6. TCNJ at Rowan, vs Ramapo, at Montclair
7. DeSales at Rosemont, vs Wilkes, vs Catholic
8. Montclair at Eastern CT, at NJCU, vs Stockton
9. Lehman vs Mt. St. Vincent, vs Southern Vermont, at Staten Island
10. Stockton vs William Paterson, at Linfield, vs Rowan

Thanks, Knighstalker! Really appreciate it.

On those best wins, can you filter out the ones that are not one of the following: 1) current D3hoops.com Top 25 + ORV, 2) current Massey top 25, 3) current Knightslappy efficiency top 25. Just making sure we keep it consistent. Thanks again!

ronk · January 21, 2018, 07:20:55 PM

Mid-Atlantic rankings

1. York(PA) (16-1, 9-1 CAC) Swarthmore, Middlebury(N), CNU, split with the holder of The Belt(UMW)
2. Swarthmore (15-2, 9-1 CC) @ Middlebury
3. F&M (14-3, 8-2 CC) Swarthmore
4. Lycoming (17-1, 8-1 MACC)
5. Johns Hopkins (13-4, 7-3 CC) New Jersey City(N)
6. Drew (13-4, 6-0 LAND) Juniata
7. Juniata (14-3, 3-3 LAND)
The current holder of The Belt
8. Mary Washington (12-5, 6-4 CAC) York(PA)

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · January 21, 2018, 07:31:14 PM

Finished my Top 25 ballot a little bit ago. This was actually the easiest one so far. It took a lot of work to get teams slotted in where I wanted them, but it feels like we've got enough results now to feel confident in where teams ended up. Losses will still change things moving forward, but it feels like we've reached a point where I don't have to start from scratch every week. Definitely the latest in the year I've gotten to that point since I've been voting.

To go by region, on my ballot:

NE - 5 (and the last 1-2 were begrudgingly); E and A - 0; MA - 3; S - 3; GL - 2; C - 9; W - 3

Titan Q · January 21, 2018, 07:38:07 PM

Quote from: ronk on January 21, 2018, 07:20:55 PM
Mid-Atlantic rankings

1. York(PA) (16-1, 9-1 CAC) Swarthmore, Middlebury(N), CNU, split with the holder of The Belt(UMW)
2. Swarthmore (15-2, 9-1 CC) @ Middlebury
3. F&M (14-3, 8-2 CC) Swarthmore
4. Lycoming (17-1, 8-1 MACC)
5. Johns Hopkins (13-4, 7-3 CC) New Jersey City(N)
6. Drew (13-4, 6-0 LAND) Juniata
7. Juniata (14-3, 3-3 LAND)
The current holder of The Belt
8. Mary Washington (12-5, 6-4 CAC) York(PA)

Thanks, Ronk!

me · January 21, 2018, 07:50:17 PM

So I'm not seeing a lot of anything regarding top 25 in this. These look a lot more like regional rankings to me. Surely no one thinks Lehman is top 25.

Knightstalker · January 21, 2018, 07:50:34 PM

Quote from: Titan Q on January 21, 2018, 07:13:08 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on January 21, 2018, 06:49:36 PM
I took a stab at the Atlantic Region. I used the criteria Titan Q specified and listed what I feel were the three best wins for each team. I added up the rankings and divided by three if listed in the D3 poll or 2 if only listed in Massey and KS polls. I am not a numbers person and this was the best I could come up with.

1. Gwynedd Mercy vs Cabrini, at Rosemont, vs Neumann
2. Ramapo vs MSU, at Stockton, vs NJCU
3. Cabrini vs Eastern CT, at Rosemont, vs Nuemann
4. NJCU vs Stevens Tech, vs Gwynedd Mercy, at Albertus Magnus
5. Nuemann vs Eastern, vs Rosemont, vs Marywood
6. TCNJ at Rowan, vs Ramapo, at Montclair
7. DeSales at Rosemont, vs Wilkes, vs Catholic
8. Montclair at Eastern CT, at NJCU, vs Stockton
9. Lehman vs Mt. St. Vincent, vs Southern Vermont, at Staten Island
10. Stockton vs William Paterson, at Linfield, vs Rowan

Thanks, Knighstalker! Really appreciate it.

On those best wins, can you filter out the ones that are not one of the following: 1) current D3hoops.com Top 25 + ORV, 2) current Massey top 25, 3) current Knightslappy efficiency top 25. Just making sure we keep it consistent. Thanks again!

I will go through the list and edit the wins. I also forgot to put in records.

Knightstalker · January 21, 2018, 08:21:12 PM

I took a stab at the Atlantic Region. I used the criteria Titan Q specified and listed what I feel were the three best wins for each team. I added up the rankings and divided by three if listed in the D3 poll or 2 if only listed in Massey and KS polls. I am not a numbers person and this was the best I could come up with.

1. Gwynedd Mercy (13-2, 8-1 CSAC) vs Cabrini
2. Ramapo (14-4, 10-1 NJAC) vs NJCU
3. Cabrini (14-2, 8-1 CSAC) vs Eastern CT
4. NJCU (14-3, 8-2 NJAC)
5. Nuemann (12-4, 7-3 CSAC)
6. TCNJ (14-3, 9-1 NJAC) vs Ramapo
7. DeSales (13-4, 4-2 MACF)
8. Montclair (13-5, 9-4 NJAC) at Eastern CT, at NJCU
9. Lehman (13-4, 8-1 CUNYAC)
10. Stockton (11-7, 5-6 NJAC)

Edited the best wins as Titan Q requested and added in records. I was originally going to only rank 8 teams as that is what the Atlantic gets in the regional rankings but decided to stretch it out to ten.

Titan Q · January 21, 2018, 08:53:42 PM

Smitty Oom's West Region
1. Whitman Blues (17-0, 8-0 NWC) - vs. Occidental, vs. UW-Stevens Point (Las Vegas), vs. Ohio Wesleyan (Las Vegas), vs. Whitworth
2. St. John's Johnnies (14-1, 10-0 MIAC) - vs. Bethel, at Augsburg
3. Whitworth Pirates (15-2, 7-1 NWC) - vs. North Central
4. Nebraska Wesleyan Prairie Wolves (16-2, 7-2 IIAC) - vs. Wartburg
5. Loras Duhawks (14-4, 7-2 IIAC) - vs. Nebraska Wesleyan, at Buena Vista
6. Augsburg Auggies (13-4, 8-4 MIAC) - vs. Loras, vs. Wartburg (Las vegas), at Bethel
7. Bethel Royals (12-4, 7-4 MIAC) - at Augsburg
8. Buena Vista Beavers (14-4, 7-2 IIAC) - at Nebraska Wesleyan
9. Wartburg Knights (12-5, 5-3 IIAC) - vs. Loras, vs. UW-Stevens Point (Las Vegas), vs. Buena Vista
10. Occidental Tigers (14-2, 7-0 SCIAC) -

Titan Q's Central Region
1. Wash U (14-2, 5-0 UAA) - vs Tufts, vs Ohio Northern, at Illinois Wesleyan
2. Illinois Wesleyan (14-3, 7-1 CCIW) - at North Central, at Wheaton, vs Augustana
3. Augustana (14-3, 6-2 CCIW) - vs North Central, vs UW-Stevens Point (neutral), at Wash U
4. UW-Stevens Point (12-5, 6-0 WIAC) - at Buena Vista, at UW-River Falls, at UW-Whitewater, vs UW-Platteville
5. Wheaton (13-4, 6-2 CCIW) - vs Baldwin Wallace, at Whitworth, at Augustana
6. UW-River Falls (12-4, 3-3 WIAC) - at UW-Whitewater, vs UW-Platteville
7. UW-Whitewater (14-3, 4-2 WIAC) at UW-Oshkosh
8. UW-Oshkosh (13-4, 3-3 WIAC) - vs Augustana, vs UW-River Falls
9. UW-Platteville (14-3, 4-2 WIAC) - vs UW-Oshkosh
10. North Central (12-5, 5-3 CCIW) - vs Wheaton

Ronk's Mid-Atlantic Region
1. York(PA) (16-1, 9-1 CAC) Swarthmore, Middlebury(N), CNU, split with the holder of The Belt(UMW)
2. Swarthmore (15-2, 9-1 CC) @ Middlebury
3. F&M (14-3, 8-2 CC) Swarthmore
4. Lycoming (17-1, 8-1 MACC)
5. Johns Hopkins (13-4, 7-3 CC) New Jersey City(N)
6. Drew (13-4, 6-0 LAND) Juniata
7. Juniata (14-3, 3-3 LAND)
The current holder of The Belt
8. Mary Washington (12-5, 6-4 CAC) York(PA)

Knightstalker's Atlantic Region
1. Gwynedd Mercy (13-2, 8-1 CSAC) vs Cabrini
2. Ramapo (14-4, 10-1 NJAC) vs NJCU
3. Cabrini (14-2, 8-1 CSAC) vs Eastern CT
4. NJCU (14-3, 8-2 NJAC)
5. Nuemann (12-4, 7-3 CSAC)
6. TCNJ (14-3, 9-1 NJAC) vs Ramapo
7. DeSales (13-4, 4-2 MACF)
8. Montclair (13-5, 9-4 NJAC)
9. Lehman (13-4, 8-1 CUNYAC)
10. Stockton (11-7, 5-6 NJAC)

warriorcat · January 21, 2018, 08:56:42 PM

Quote from: Knightstalker on January 21, 2018, 08:21:12 PM
I took a stab at the Atlantic Region. I used the criteria Titan Q specified and listed what I feel were the three best wins for each team. I added up the rankings and divided by three if listed in the D3 poll or 2 if only listed in Massey and KS polls. I am not a numbers person and this was the best I could come up with.

1. Gwynedd Mercy (13-2, 8-1 CSAC) vs Cabrini
2. Ramapo (14-4, 10-1 NJAC) vs NJCU
3. Cabrini (14-2, 8-1 CSAC) vs Eastern CT
4. NJCU (14-3, 8-2 NJAC)
5. Nuemann (12-4, 7-3 CSAC)
6. TCNJ (14-3, 9-1 NJAC) vs Ramapo
7. DeSales (13-4, 4-2 MACF)
8. Montclair (13-5, 9-4 NJAC) at Eastern CT, at NJCU
9. Lehman (13-4, 8-1 CUNYAC)
10. Stockton (11-7, 5-6 NJAC)

Edited the best wins as Titan Q requested and added in records. I was originally going to only rank 8 teams as that is what the Atlantic gets in the regional rankings but decided to stretch it out to ten.

I believe hat Montclair lost to Eastern CT