Top 25 talk

Greek Tragedy · April 08, 2020, 05:43:38 PM

I have 10 more years to go...

WEEK 1	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14	12-13	11-12	10-11	9-10
PRESEASON	Swat	NWU	W'man	Amherst	Augie	UWWW-	Amherst	MIT	VWU	UWSP	Wash U
WEEK 1	Swat	NWU	W'man	Amherst	Augie	Augie	Amherst	MIT	Augie	UWSP	Wash U
WEEK 2	Swat	NWU	W'man	Amherst	Augie	Augie	Amherst	VWU	Middlebury	Wooster	Wash U
WEEK 3	Swat	NWU	W'man	Amherst	Augie	UWWW	UWSP	VWU	Middlebury	Wooster	Wash U
WEEK 4	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	Augie	Wash U.	UWSP	VWU	Middlebury	Wooster	Wash U
WEEK 5	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	W'worth	Wash U.	UWSP	NCC	Middlebury	Wooster	RMC
WEEK 6	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	W'worth	Augie	UWSP	NCC	Middlebury	Wooster	RMC
WEEK 7	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	W'worth	Augie	UWSP	UST	Middlebury	Wooster	UWSP
WEEK 8	Swat	Augie	W'man	Babson	W'worth	UWWW	UWSP	UST	Middlebury	Wooster	UWSP
WEEK 9	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	Augie	UWWW	UWSP	U of R	Middlebury	Wooster	Guilford
WEEK 10	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	Augie	UWWW	UWSP	UST	Hope	W'worth	Guilford
WEEK 11	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	Augie	RMC	UWSP	UST	Hope	W'worth	Wash U
WEEK 12	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	Augie	RMC	UWSP	UST	Hope	Williams	Wash U
WEEK 13	Swat	-	W'man	W'man	-	RMC	UWSP	UST	Hope	W'worth	Wash U
FINAL	Swat*	Osh	NWU	Babson	UST	UWSP	UWWW	Amherst	Whitewater	UST	UWSP

#1	Swat-15	NWU-12	W'man-14	Amherst-4	Augie-9	UWWW-5	UWSP-11	UST-6	Middlebury-8	Wooster-8	Wash U-8
#1		Augie-1	NWU-1	Babson-10	W'worth-4	Augie-4	Amherst-3	VWU-3	Hope-4	W'worth-3	UWSP-3
#1		Osh-1		W'man-1	UST-1	RMC-3	UWWW-1	NCC-2	VWU-1	UWSP-2	RMC-2
#1						Wash U.-2		MIT-2	Augie-1	Williams-1	Guilford-2
#1						UWSP-1		U of R-1	Whitewater-1	UST-1
#1								Amherst-1

Pat Coleman · April 08, 2020, 06:19:12 PM

Not quite sure what your goal is, but does our Top 25 archive help you here?

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/archive

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · April 08, 2020, 06:54:24 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 08, 2020, 06:19:12 PM
Not quite sure what your goal is, but does our Top 25 archive help you here?

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/archive

It certainly could save him a ton of time.

Mr. Ypsi · April 08, 2020, 06:56:54 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 08, 2020, 06:54:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 08, 2020, 06:19:12 PM
Not quite sure what your goal is, but does our Top 25 archive help you here?

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/archive

It certainly could save him a ton of time.

If he's in 'lock-down' he might not want to save time!

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · April 08, 2020, 06:59:17 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 08, 2020, 06:56:54 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 08, 2020, 06:54:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 08, 2020, 06:19:12 PM
Not quite sure what your goal is, but does our Top 25 archive help you here?

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/archive

It certainly could save him a ton of time.

If he's in 'lock-down' he might not want to save time!

Ha ... touche ... though, still could get tedious. LOL
If he's in 'lock-down' he might not want to save time!

Greek Tragedy · April 08, 2020, 10:20:17 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 08, 2020, 06:19:12 PM
Not quite sure what your goal is, but does our Top 25 archive help you here?

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/archive

I know.

Greek Tragedy · April 11, 2020, 01:12:54 AM

Here's the first 10 years of the poll. Just more time wasting regarding #1 teams over the years.

WEEK	08-09	07-08	06-07	05-06	04-05	03-04	02-03	01-02	00-01	99-00
PRESEASON	Wash U	Wash U	VWU	IWU	UWSP	Williams	Wash U	Carthage	Calvin	Platteville
WEEK 1	Wash U	Amherst	VWU	IWU	UWSP	Williams	Wash U	Carthage	Calvin	Platteville
WEEK 2	Wash U	Amherst	Wooster	IWU	UWSP	Williams	Wash U	Carthage	Calvin	Platteville
WEEK 3	Wash U	Rochester	Wooster	IWU	UWSP	Williams	Wash U	Carthage	Carthage	Platteville
WEEK 4	Platteville	Rochester	Wooster	IWU	UWSP	Williams	Wash U	Carthage	Carthage	Platteville
WEEK 5	Wheaton IL	Rochester	UWSP	IWU	UWSP	Williams	Wash U	Carthage	Carthage	Hampden-Sydney
WEEK 6	Wheaton IL	Rochester	UWSP	Wittenberg	Wooster	Williams	Wash U	Carthage	Carthage	Hampden-Sydney
WEEK 7	Wheaton IL	Rochester	UWSP	Wittenberg	Wooster	Hampden-Sydney	Wash U	RMC	Carthage	Hampden-Sydney
WEEK 8	St. Thomas	Rochester	UWSP	Wittenberg	UWSP	Amherst	Wash U	RMC	Carthage	Hampden-Sydney
WEEK 9	St. Thomas	Wash U	Amherst	Wittenberg	UWSP	Rochester	Wash U	Carthage	Carthage	Hampden-Sydney
WEEK 10	St. Thomas	Amherst	Amherst	Wooster	x	Rochester	Wash U	Carthage	Carthage	Hampden-Sydney
WEEK 11	St. Thomas	Amherst	UWSP	Wooster	IWU	Williams	Wash U	Carthage	Carthage	Hampden-Sydney
WEEK 12	St. Thomas	Amherst	UWSP	Lawrence	UWSP	Williams	RMC	Carthage	Wooster	Hampden-Sydney
WEEK 13	St. Thomas	Amherst	UWSP	Lawrence	Wooster	Williams	RMC	Carthage	Carthage	Calvin
WEEK 14	x	Hope	x	x	UWSP	Williams	x	x	Chicago	x
FINAL	Wash U	Wash U	Amherst	VWU	UWSP	UWSP	Williams	Otterbein	Catholic	Calvin

#1	St. Thomas-6	Rochester-6	UWSP-7	IWU-6	UWSP-11	Williams-11	Wash U-12	Carthage-12	Carthage-10	Hampden-Sydney-8
#1	Wash U-5	Amherst-6	Wooster-3	Wittenberg-4	Wooster-3	Rochester-2	RMC-2	RMC-2	Calvin-3	Platteville-5
#1	Wheaton IL-3	Wash U-3	Amherst-3	Wooster-2	IWU-1	Hampden-Sydney-1	Williams-1	Otterbein-1	Chicago-1	Calvin-2
#1	Platteville-1	Hope-1	VWU-2	Lawrence-2		Amherst-1			Wooster-1
#1				VWU-1		UWSP-1			Catholic-1
#1

Greek Tragedy · April 11, 2020, 01:14:07 AM

Just putting them in back to back posts, even though I get criticized for wasting my own time.

I have 10 more years to go...

WEEK 1	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14	12-13	11-12	10-11	9-10
PRESEASON	Swat	NWU	W'man	Amherst	Augie	UWWW-	Amherst	MIT	VWU	UWSP	Wash U
WEEK 1	Swat	NWU	W'man	Amherst	Augie	Augie	Amherst	MIT	Augie	UWSP	Wash U
WEEK 2	Swat	NWU	W'man	Amherst	Augie	Augie	Amherst	VWU	Middlebury	Wooster	Wash U
WEEK 3	Swat	NWU	W'man	Amherst	Augie	UWWW	UWSP	VWU	Middlebury	Wooster	Wash U
WEEK 4	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	Augie	Wash U.	UWSP	VWU	Middlebury	Wooster	Wash U
WEEK 5	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	W'worth	Wash U.	UWSP	NCC	Middlebury	Wooster	RMC
WEEK 6	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	W'worth	Augie	UWSP	NCC	Middlebury	Wooster	RMC
WEEK 7	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	W'worth	Augie	UWSP	UST	Middlebury	Wooster	UWSP
WEEK 8	Swat	Augie	W'man	Babson	W'worth	UWWW	UWSP	UST	Middlebury	Wooster	UWSP
WEEK 9	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	Augie	UWWW	UWSP	U of R	Middlebury	Wooster	Guilford
WEEK 10	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	Augie	UWWW	UWSP	UST	Hope	W'worth	Guilford
WEEK 11	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	Augie	RMC	UWSP	UST	Hope	W'worth	Wash U
WEEK 12	Swat	NWU	W'man	Babson	Augie	RMC	UWSP	UST	Hope	Williams	Wash U
WEEK 13	Swat	-	W'man	W'man	-	RMC	UWSP	UST	Hope	W'worth	Wash U
FINAL	Swat*	Osh	NWU	Babson	UST	UWSP	UWWW	Amherst	Whitewater	UST	UWSP

#1	Swat-15	NWU-12	W'man-14	Amherst-4	Augie-9	UWWW-5	UWSP-11	UST-6	Middlebury-8	Wooster-8	Wash U-8
#1		Augie-1	NWU-1	Babson-10	W'worth-4	Augie-4	Amherst-3	VWU-3	Hope-4	W'worth-3	UWSP-3
#1		Osh-1		W'man-1	UST-1	RMC-3	UWWW-1	NCC-2	VWU-1	UWSP-2	RMC-2
#1						Wash U.-2		MIT-2	Augie-1	Williams-1	Guilford-2
#1						UWSP-1		U of R-1	Whitewater-1	UST-1
#1								Amherst-1

Greek Tragedy · April 11, 2020, 01:18:56 AM

Of the 21 years of the poll, Swarthmore, this past season, is the only team to run the table for being #1 the whole season, preseason poll to the final poll. Of course, we never finished the tournament, so there's always going to be an asterisk next to that.

In the 21 years there's been a poll, there have been 316 weekly polls, including preseason polls.

Here's a rundown of how many times each team has been #1 and how many different years they've been #1

Oshkosh, Otterbein and Catholic's only #1 ranking was after they won the National Championship and were crowned #1 in the Final poll of the season.

Team	#1	Years
UWSP	36	7
Wash U	30	5
Carthage	22	2
Amherst	18	6
Wooster	17	5
Swarthmore	15	1
Whitman	15	2
Augie	15	4
St. Thomas	14	4
NWU	13	2
Williams	13	3
Babson	10	1
Hampden-Sydney	9	2
RMC	9	4
Middlebury	8	1
IWU	7	2
Whitworth	7	2
Rochester	9	3
UWWW	7	3
VWU	7	4
Platteville	6	2
Calvin	5	2
Hope	5	2
Wittenberg	4	1
Wheaton IL	3	1
Guilford	2	1
Lawrence	2	1
MIT	2	1
NCC	2	1
Catholic	1	1
Chicago	1	1
Oshkosh	1	1
Otterbein	1	1

Greek Tragedy · April 11, 2020, 01:55:18 AM

Here's a more indepth look at that. Times a team was #1 and what years.

TEAMS

Amherst-1 (12-13)

Amherst-1 (03-04)

Amherst-3 (13-14)

Amherst-3 (06-07)

Amherst-4 (16-17)

Amherst-6 (07-08)

Augie-1 (18-19)

Augie-1 (11-12)

Augie-4 (14-15)

Augie-9 (15-16)

Babson-10 (16-17)

Calvin-2 (99-00)

Calvin-3 (00-01)

Carthage-10 (00-01)

Carthage-12 (01-02)

Catholic-1 (00-01)

Chicago-1 (00-01)

Guilford-2 (09-10)

Hampden-Sydney-1 (03-04)

Hampden-Sydney-8 (99-00)

Hope-1 (07-08)

Hope-4 (11-12)

IWU-1 (04-05)

IWU-6 (05-06)

Lawrence-2 (05-06)

Middlebury-8 (11-12)

MIT-2 (12-13)

NCC-2 (12-13)

NWU-1 (17-18)

NWU-12 (18-19)

Oshkosh-1 (18-19)

Otterbein-1 (01-02)

Platteville-1 (08-09)

Platteville-5 (99-00)

RMC-2 (09-10)

RMC-2 (02-03)

RMC-2 (01-02)

RMC-3 (14-15)

Rochester-2 (03-04)

Rochester-6 (07-08)

Rochester-1 (12-13)

Swarthmore-15 (19-20)

St. Thomas-1 (15-16)

St. Thomas-1 (10-11)

St. Thomas-6 (12-13)

St. Thomas-6 (08-09)

UWSP-1 (14-15)

UWSP-1 (03-04)

UWSP-11 (13-14)

UWSP-11 (04-05)

UWSP-2 (10-11)

UWSP-3 (09-10)

UWSP-7 (06-07)

UWWW-1 (13-14)

UWWW-1 (11-12)

UWWW-5 (14-15)

VWU-1 (11-12)

VWU-1 (05-06)

VWU-2 (06-07)

VWU-3 (12-13)

Whitman-1 (16-17)

Whitman-14 (17-18)

Whitworth-3 (10-11)

Whitworth-4 (15-16)

Wash U-12 (02-03)

Wash U-3 (07-08)

Wash U-5 (08-09)

Wash U-8 (09-10)

Wash U.-2 (14-15)

Wheaton IL-3 (08-09)

Williams-1 (10-11)

Williams-1 (02-03)

Williams-11 (03-04)

Wittenberg-4 (05-06)

Wooster-1 (00-01)

Wooster-2 (05-06)

Wooster-3 (04-05)

Wooster-3 (06-07)

Wooster-8 (10-11)

Greek Tragedy · April 11, 2020, 02:00:00 AM

If you include Platteville's preseason ranking in 99-00 after winning the championship the previous year, only 11 or the 21 preseason polls had the previous year's national champion as #1 the following year.

Every National Champion was #1 in the Final poll.

iwumichigander · April 11, 2020, 06:54:37 PM

Good work Greek! Thanks

Titan Q · April 12, 2020, 08:56:19 AM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on April 11, 2020, 01:18:56 AM
Of the 21 years of the poll, Swarthmore, this past season, is the only team to run the table for being #1 the whole season, preseason poll to the final poll. Of course, we never finished the tournament, so there's always going to be an asterisk next to that.

Pretty big asterisk. Guessing no final D3hoops.com #1 team has ever had #29 as their best Massey win.

Titan Q · April 12, 2020, 09:54:15 AM

And since I mentioned best Massey wins, for what it's worth...

According to Massey, here are the best 4 wins for each team in the final D3hoops.com Top 25.

https://www.masseyratings.com/cb2020/ncaa-d3/ratings

#1 Swarthmore
#29 Ithaca
#36 Johns Hopkins
#36 Johns Hopkins
#39 TCNJ

#2 St. John's
#2 St. Thomas
#2 St. Thomas
#26 UW-Eau Claire
#38 Ripon

#3 Randolph-Macon
#14 Christopher Newport
#27 Virginia Wesleyan
#27 Virginia Wesleyan
#39 TCNJ

#4 St. Thomas
#1 St. John's
#13 UW-Platteville
#22 Nebraska Wesleyan
#24 St. Norbert

#5 Mount Union
#20 York PA
#32 Albion
#34 Marietta
#34 Marietta

#6 North Central
#8 Elmhurst
#8 Elmhurst
#12 UW-Oshkosh
#19 Augustana

#7 Wittenberg
#59 Wooster
#67 Wabash
#67 Wabash
#75 Susquehanna

#8 Yeshiva
#58 WPI
#66 Williams
#153 New Jersey City
#156 PSU-Harrisburg

#9 Wash U
#19 Augustana
#22 Nebraska Wesleyan
#26 UW-Eau Claire
#28 Illinois Wesleyan

#10 Elmhurst
#6 North Central
#12 UW-Oshkosh
#19 Augustana
#24 St. Norbert

#11 Brockport
#23 Hobart
#33 Middlebury
#71 SUNY Potsdam
#71 SUNY Potsdam

#12 UW-Platteville
#9 Wash U
#12 UW-Oshkosh
#12 UW-Oshkosh
#17 UW-La Crosse

#13 Johns Hopkins
#5 Swarthmore
#14 Christopher Newport
#20 York PA
#80 Drew

#14 Nebraska Wesleyan
#1 St. John's
#70 Chicago
#78 Coe
#78 Coe

#15 Tufts
#21 Colby
#21 Colby
#31 St. Joseph CT
#41 RPI

#16 Pomona-Pitzer
#16 Emory
#48 Redlands
#48 Redlands
#50 Centre

#17 Christoper Newport
#20 York PA
#21 Colby
#46 Texas-Dallas
#62 Nichols

#18 Emory
#9 Wash U
#9 Wash U
#12 UW-Oshkosh
#43 Guilford

#19 Whitworth
#2 St. Thomas
#35 Le Tourneau
#46 Texas Dallas
#47 Linfield

#20 Hobart
#29 Ithaca
#29 Ithaca
#30 Springfield
#31 St. Joseph CT

#21 Colby
#33 Middlebury
#42 Amherst
#61 Trinity CT
#66 Williams

#22 Springfield
#56 Babson
#58 WPI
#58 WPI
#61 Trinity CT

#23 UW-Oshkosh
#6 North Central
#17 UW-La Crosse
#17 UW-La Crosse
#17 UW-La Crosse

#24 St. Joseph (Conn.)
#57 Albertus Magnus
#57 Albertus Magnus
#61 Trinity CT
#66 Williams

#25 Middlebury
#18 Tufts
#30 Springfield
#57 Albertus Magnus
#60 Stevens

Smitty Oom · April 12, 2020, 10:28:48 AM

Definitely some exceptions (2 MIAC teams, CCIW teams, UW-Platt), but for the most part not a huge difference in best wins prior to the Sweet Sixteen. A decent amount of teams have one of their best win coming from the tournament, such as Mount Union, Yeshiva and Swarthmore. A lot of posters thought these were 3 of the top favorites to win the tournament before it was canceled. Heck you take away SJU wins against UST and their two tournament wins made the top 4 wins. Not that this is too much of a surprise, as the tournament should have some of the best teams in the nation.

Anyways, knocking Swarthmore for not having a top 25 Massey win before they had a chance to play the Sweet Sixteen and beyond is a not too fair in my opinion.