Top 25 talk

[Greek Tragedy]

You should really vote Emerson in so I can get some points in the Top 25 pool.

[Darryl Nester]

Schedule is crazy today; will edit in pending results later.

How They Fared (almost Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	618	Randolph-Macon	6-1	def. (n) Carnegie Mellon, 70-61; won at Hood, 84-63; def. Mary Washington, 57-53; def. (n) #13 Emory, 88-74; won at #3 Marietta, 82-74; def. (n) #24 New Jersey City, 78-58; LOST at T#34 Christopher Newport, 76-77 OT
#2	533	Yeshiva	8-0	won at T#60 Lycoming, 90-54; def. (n) Penn St.-Schuylkill, 105-52; def. Eastern Connecticut, 99-69; won at St. Joseph's (L.I.), 82-58; def. Mount St. Vincent, 81-49; won at St. Joseph's (Bklyn.), 94-57; def. SUNY-Purchase, 98-69; def. Manhattanville, 78-56
#3	496	Marietta	3-2	def. (n) T#34 Christopher Newport, 86-83; LOST at #20 Roanoke, 68-77; def. #58 Wabash, 99-92; LOST to #1 Randolph-Macon, 74-82; def. Geneva, 102-70
#4	463	Illinois Wesleyan	5-0	def. Lake Forest, 81-61; def. Hope, 87-74; def. #17 UW-Oshkosh, 65-63; won at Alma, 91-74; won at Calvin, 81-72
#5	417	UW-Platteville	7-0	def. Blackburn, 83-44; def. #19 Whitworth, 90-69; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 77-62; def. Concordia (Wis.), 83-67; won at Concordia-Chicago, 88-60; def. Illinois Tech, 72-51; def. Bethel, 81-64
#6	411	Wheaton (Ill.)	6-0	def. Benedictine, 82-80; won at Lake Forest, 95-70; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 84-62; def. UW-Eau Claire, 85-77; won at Chicago, 77-67; def. #59 Ripon, 66-62
#7	386	Trine	5-1	def. Mount St. Joseph, 61-52; won at Manchester, 82-71; def. Benedictine, 75-67; won at Muskingum, 57-52; LOST at #21 Mount Union, 62-72; def. Baldwin Wallace, 72-70
#8	344	Swarthmore	4-1	def. (n) Misericordia, 94-69; won at Scranton, 73-67; def. Neumann, 85-68; LOST to Widener, 66-77; won at Muhlenberg, 79-75
#9	316	St. Joseph (Conn.)	5-0	def. Me.-Augusta, 104-50; def. Alvernia, 76-55; won at T#51 Babson, 76-59; def. #11 Tufts, 75-62; 11/23 vs. Elms postponed; def. Trinity (Conn.), 79-59
#10	313	Elmhurst	6-0	def. Kalamazoo, 78-58; won at Principia, 107-77; won at Illinois Tech, 71-44; won at St. Norbert, 70-55; def. Alma, 94-54; def. T#34 Buena Vista, 80-79
#11	282	Tufts	1-5	LOST at Mass-Dartmouth, 71-92; LOST at Suffolk, 81-90; LOST at #9 St. Joseph (Conn.), 62-75; LOST at MIT, 65-66; def. (n) Lesley, 99-76; LOST to Emerson, 72-75
#12	280	Mary Hardin-Baylor	3-0	def. Southwestern, 100-80; won at Huston-Tillotson, 92-87; def. Arlington Baptist, 110-91
#13	278	Emory	3-2	won at Piedmont, 78-64; LOST to (n) #1 Randolph-Macon, 74-88; LOST to (n) #58 Wabash, 90-98; def. Guilford, 66-55; def. #23 Maryville (Tenn.), 78-69
#14	276	Johns Hopkins	5-1	LOST at T#34 Christopher Newport, 62-64; def. Salisbury, 72-52; won at York (Pa.), 70-49; def. (n) St. Mary's (Md.), 75-53; def. Gettysburg, 88-56; def. T#60 Lycoming, 83-53
#15	261	UW-La Crosse	7-0	def. (n) Methodist, 73-50; won at #31 Virginia Wesleyan, 65-54; def. Marian, 79-48; won at Augsburg, 75-74 OT; def. T#34 Buena Vista, 83-56; won at #59 Ripon, 75-74 OT; won at Wartburg, 83-78
#16	250	Dubuque	3-3	def. Blackburn, 68-52; LOST at Augustana, 64-80; def. Edgewood, 79-62; LOST to Wartburg, 73-77; LOST to (n) #18 Washington U., 59-77; def. (n) Westminster (Mo.), 70-65
#17	235	UW-Oshkosh	6-1	def. Augustana, 90-70; won at Concordia (Wis.), 96-62; def. (n) #26 St. John's, 89-55; LOST at #4 Illinois Wesleyan, 63-65; won at Lawrence, 80-74; def. Carthage, 81-66; won at Edgewood, 72-49
#18	224	Washington U.	5-1	def. Millikin, 52-51; LOST at Webster, 60-72; won at Blackburn, 90-59; def. Webster, 79-47; def. (n) #16 Dubuque, 77-59; won at Rhodes, 78-57
#19	214	Whitworth	5-1	def. Greenville, 146-110; def. Redlands, 74-68; LOST at #5 UW-Platteville, 69-90; won at UW-Whitewater, 80-79; won at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 71-53; won at #43 Pomona-Pitzer, 73-58
#20	159	Roanoke	5-0	def. Eastern, 85-58; def. #3 Marietta, 77-68; def. Methodist, 65-63; def. Pfeiffer, 96-72; won at Goucher, 60-39
#21	157	Mount Union	5-0	won at T#54 Albion, 86-74; won at St. Vincent, 110-50; def. Adrian, 97-60; def. #7 Trine, 72-62; def. T#51 Wooster, 81-68
#22	101	Wittenberg	0-3	LOST to (n) T#60 Hendrix, 78-80; LOST to (n) La Roche, 83-89; LOST at Hanover, 69-76
#23	96	Maryville (Tenn.)	4-1	won at Johnson (Tenn.), 87-65; def. Birmingham-Southern, 66-57; won at Sewanee, 81-73; won at Oglethorpe, 81-72; LOST at #13 Emory, 69-78
#24	92	New Jersey City	3-4	LOST to Alvernia, 60-70; def. (n) Me.-Augusta, 77-39; def. Farmingdale State, 85-63; won at T#54 Stevens, 62-60; LOST to Rutgers-Newark, 58-68; LOST to (n) #1 Randolph-Macon, 58-78; LOST to (n) Alvernia, 64-70
#25	85	Brandeis	3-1	def. Rivier, 97-71; LOST at Emerson, 72-84; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 76-68; won at Mass-Boston, 63-54

[Darryl Nester]

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	69	St. John's	4-2	def. (n) UW-River Falls, 85-67; won at UW-Superior, 67-45; LOST to (n) #17 UW-Oshkosh, 55-89; LOST to (n) Hope, 58-62; won at St. Scholastica, 74-51; won at T#34 Buena Vista, 81-65
#27	61	Berry	5-0	won at Brevard, 71-68; won at Pfeiffer, 77-75; def. Warren Wilson, 86-60; def. LaGrange, 88-74; won at Huntingdon, 77-66
#28	57	Colby	4-1	def. (n) New England College, 94-84 OT; LOST at #39 WPI, 49-66; won at Thomas, 81-63; won at Johnson and Wales, 82-72; def. T#51 Babson, 78-74 OT
#29	50	Rochester	6-2	def. SUNY Geneseo, 68-56; def. Cortland, 79-53; def. Southern Virginia, 80-66; LOST at Nazareth, 73-81; LOST to (n) #41 St. John Fisher, 60-76; def. Hobart, 80-57; def. Stockton, 72-65; def. Olivet, 67-48
#30	49	RPI	4-0	def. (n) Medaille, 87-52; won at Nazareth, 61-60; won at SUNY Delhi, 89-63; def. SUNY-Cobleskill, 101-48
#31	47	Virginia Wesleyan	3-4	def. N.C. Wesleyan, 80-69; LOST to #15 UW-La Crosse, 54-65; LOST at Old Dominion, 60-80; def. Marymount, 89-57; won at William Peace, 85-79; LOST to Pfeiffer, 64-67; LOST to Mary Washington, 58-71
#32	46	DeSales	6-0	won at Hood, 78-74; def. Rosemont, 75-60; won at Montclair State, 79-67; def. SUNY-Old Westbury, 85-81; def. (n) Scranton, 72-66; won at Moravian, 94-63
#33	43	Linfield	2-2	def. Portland Bible, 114-61; won at La Verne, 84-67; LOST at #43 Pomona-Pitzer, 76-83 OT; LOST at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 72-79
T#34	38	Christopher Newport	5-2	def. Washington College, 102-37; def. #14 Johns Hopkins, 64-62; LOST to (n) #3 Marietta, 83-86; def. (n) Eastern, 83-72; LOST at T#51 Lynchburg, 66-83; def. Alvernia, 101-65; def. #1 Randolph-Macon, 77-76 OT
T#34	38	Buena Vista	2-5	LOST to (n) Westminster (Mo.), 67-70; won at Fontbonne, 84-72; won at UW-Stout, 102-84; LOST at #15 UW-La Crosse, 56-83; LOST to #26 St. John's, 65-81; LOST at North Park, 66-70; LOST at #10 Elmhurst, 79-80
T#36	37	Amherst	5-0	won at Rosemont, 92-56; def. Colby-Sawyer, 89-52; def. Massachusetts College, 100-38; def. SUNY Geneseo, 79-41; def. Westfield State, 89-59
T#36	37	Brockport	3-1	LOST at Alfred, 72-82; def. Morrisville State, 69-61; won at Hobart, 77-53; won at Brooklyn, 84-50
#38	32	DePauw	3-2	LOST to Benedictine, 71-73; def. Earlham, 67-58; LOST at Evansville, 58-69; def. Kenyon, 81-64; won at Rose-Hulman, 72-66
#39	25	WPI	5-1	def. Worcester State, 88-64; def. St. Joseph's (Maine), 98-71; def. #28 Colby, 66-49; def. (n) Mitchell, 103-61; LOST at Wesleyan, 56-80; won at Fitchburg State, 82-65
#40	21	Pacific Lutheran	3-2	def. Evergreen St., 84-55; def. (n) Redlands, 84-83; LOST to (n) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 60-66; LOST to (n) Warner Pacific, 62-73; def. (n) Northwest Indian College, 90-56
#41	19	St. John Fisher	4-2	LOST to (n) Ohio Northern, 65-72; LOST at Case Western Reserve, 51-76; def. Fredonia, 100-66; def. (n) Rochester Tech, 65-51; def. (n) #29 Rochester, 76-60; def. Buffalo State, 107-98
#42	18	North Central (Ill.)	3-1	LOST to Cal Lutheran, 79-80; won at Greenville, 137-108; won at Benedictine, 65-62; def. Aurora, 76-44
#43	17	Pomona-Pitzer	4-2	won at UC Santa Cruz, 66-62; LOST to Biola, 70-76; def. (n) Denison, 74-59; won at Chicago, 64-63; def. #33 Linfield, 83-76 OT; LOST to #19 Whitworth, 58-73
T#44	13	Heidelberg	4-1	def. (n) Berea, 77-70; won at Mount St. Joseph, 82-68; def. Bluffton, 92-68; won at T#54 Albion, 87-83; LOST to Ohio Wesleyan, 72-81
T#44	13	Trinity (Texas)	6-1	def. Sul Ross State, 89-81; won at Hardin-Simmons, 72-69; won at McMurry, 90-74; def. (n) Concordia (Texas), 95-82; def. (n) Texas-Dallas, 95-62; def. Birmingham-Southern, 108-76; LOST to Carleton, 100-103
#46	11	Nebraska Wesleyan	3-2	won at Minnesota-Morris, 104-92; LOST to (n) UW-Eau Claire, 56-72; LOST to (n) Ohio Wesleyan, 77-83; def. Howard Payne, 112-104; def. East Texas Baptist, 76-73
#47	10	Centenary (La.)	3-2	def. Arlington Baptist, 87-77; LOST at Louisiana College, 46-62; LOST to (n) East Texas Baptist, 60-75; won at Millsaps, 73-50; won at MUW, 73-52
T#48	9	Middlebury	4-2	won at Wentworth, 73-56; LOST to Keene State, 77-86; def. (n) Anna Maria, 99-96 2OT; LOST to (n) Eastern Nazarene, 75-85; def. NVU-Johnson, 79-54; def. Endicott, 86-81
T#48	9	TCNJ	3-2	LOST at Salisbury, 59-73; def. St. Elizabeth, 73-49; def. Drew, 79-62; def. Ursinus, 79-63; LOST to Rowan, 77-85
T#48	9	St. Mary's (Minn.)	1-2	LOST at Augustana, 73-79 OT; won at Macalester, 63-61; LOST at Hamline, 64-67
T#51	8	Babson	5-3	def. Mass-Boston, 69-63; def. Suffolk, 91-66; def. Lasell, 70-67; LOST at Salve Regina, 70-78; LOST to #9 St. Joseph (Conn.), 59-76; def. Bates, 82-71; LOST at #28 Colby, 74-78 OT; def. Bowdoin, 78-54
T#51	8	Wooster	2-1	def. St. Vincent, 75-57; def. #59 Ripon, 83-71; LOST at #21 Mount Union, 68-81
T#51	8	Lynchburg	3-1	won at Methodist, 83-70; LOST at Mary Washington, 65-68; def. T#34 Christopher Newport, 83-66; def. N.C. Wesleyan, 79-51
T#54	7	Albion	2-4	LOST to #21 Mount Union, 74-86; LOST at Rose-Hulman, 58-72; LOST to UW-Stout, 75-86; def. (n) Grove City, 57-48; won at Geneva, 91-66; LOST to T#44 Heidelberg, 83-87
T#54	7	Springfield	0-4	LOST at Western New England, 68-80; LOST at Roger Williams, 67-82; LOST to Eastern Connecticut, 70-73; LOST at Keene State, 57-93
T#54	7	Stevens	2-3	LOST at Skidmore, 51-56; LOST to #24 New Jersey City, 60-62; LOST to Catholic, 62-75; def. Baruch, 83-75; def. Rutgers-Newark, 60-51
#57	5	Ithaca	3-1	LOST at Alfred, 72-75; won at Alfred State, 124-80; def. Cortland, 72-63; won at Susquehanna, 87-56
#58	3	Wabash	3-2	won at Centre, 74-70; LOST to Hanover, 81-83; LOST at #3 Marietta, 92-99; def. (n) #13 Emory, 98-90; won at Denison, 92-87
#59	2	Ripon	2-3	def. Luther, 70-51; def. (n) Spalding, 75-66; LOST at T#51 Wooster, 71-83; LOST to #15 UW-La Crosse, 74-75 OT; LOST at #6 Wheaton (Ill.), 62-66
T#60	1	Centenary (N.J.)	3-2	LOST at Scranton, 75-93; def. (n) Misericordia, 104-96 OT; def. Rutgers-Newark, 75-70; LOST to Montclair State, 106-107; def. Valley Forge, 104-84
T#60	1	Hendrix	6-1	def. University of the Ozarks, 68-62; def. University of Dallas, 78-59; def. Austin, 94-76; def. (n) #22 Wittenberg, 80-78; LOST to (n) Wilmington, 58-70; won at University of Dallas, 91-73; won at Austin, 94-69
T#60	1	Lycoming	4-3	LOST to #2 Yeshiva, 54-90; def. Clarks Summit, 76-55; def. Pitt-Greensburg, 75-64; LOST to McDaniel, 62-73; won at Penn College, 67-62 OT; won at Susquehanna, 75-56; LOST at #14 Johns Hopkins, 53-83
T#60	1	Utica	3-1	def. (n) Eureka, 84-67; LOST at Rutgers-Newark, 48-66; won at Morrisville State, 86-46; won at Cazenovia, 81-59
T#60	1	Williams	5-0	def. SUNY Oneonta, 79-69 OT; def. Curry, 90-50; def. Salem State, 77-62; def. Massachusetts College, 89-62; won at SUNY Delhi, 74-67

[CNU85]

CNU!!!!! Defeats Randolph Macon in OT

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

CNU!!!!! Defeats Randolph Macon in OT

If CNU takes care of the ball, they are a tough matchup for RMC.  Macon was missing Josh Talbert, who was in sweats for the game, but it's a great win for CNU and certainly shows what they can do.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The DIII basketball season is nearly a month old and teams are settling into the first full season in two years. As we settle in, there are plenty of topics to discuss. On Sunday's show, Dave McHugh chats with the DIII men's and women's basketball committee chairs - Mike Schauer of Wheaton (Ill.) and Megan Wilson of Luther. Also joining the show is UMass-Boston men's basketball coach Jason Harris to chat about the first Black Coaches Classic and the significant coaching changes in the Northeast.

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[CNU85]

CNU!!! Defeats Randolph Macon in OT

If CNU takes care of the ball, they are a tough matchup for RMC.  Macon was missing Josh Talbert, who was in sweats for the game, but it's a great win for CNU and certainly shows what they can do.

It was a great game to watch. Both teams took care of the ball. Only 5 turnovers for CNU and only 6 for RMC. 17 assists for each team. Quality basketball for sure. I'm glad I drove back from Florida Saturday so I could go to this game.

[deiscanton]

Week 1 poll is out:

d3hoops.com/top25/men/2021-22/week1

PS-- Happy Hanukkah, Poppers.

[SpartyBlue]

my eye test top 5.  i don't think anyone in the country can match up with UWP.

1.  UWP  aggressive, big, athletic. 
2.  R-M  athleticism makes them very dangerous despite CNU loss.
3. IWU Leyritz can fill it up and strong supporting cast, but I think they will drop a couple of CCIW games along the way.  Titans have it all, however.
4.  UWO  again, very strong and athletic team, came within a hair of taking down IWU in Shirk.  I don't think they'll beat UWP
5.  Yeshiva  great story, Turell is awesome, but will struggle to match up 1 through 5 with these other teams in my opinion.  Taking the Titans to win on 12/30

[nescac1]

Yeshiva is not overall as talented as those other teams, but they do, I'd say, have the best player in the country.  There is certainly precedent for a truly transcendent individual talent to carry a good (but not necessarily elite), well-coached supporting cast to the final four, or even to a championship ... guys like Joey Flannery, Aston Francis, Mike Nogelo, Jeff Gibbs, Jake Ross and so on.  Typically, if you have the best guy in the tourney, you can get really far.  The question is, is Ryan Turrell on the level of those other guys?  It seems like yes, and if so, that's enough to at least get Yeshiva into a final four, after which anything is possible. 

The top of D3, really, the entire top 25, looks very strong this year, which is no surprise considering the sheer number of fifth-year seniors spread throughout so many of the top teams ...

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

It's funny.  I have no problem saying Yeshiva is the best team on paper.  I think they matchup well against all the top teams.  I just struggle with how little genuine competition they have.  There's still some sloppiness that a good team will make them pay for.  They've showed, in the few big games they've been able to manage, that they can tighten it up when they need to, but I want to see the consistency you get from a team like RMC, where everything is locked down regardless of opponent, ever game, before I pull the #1 trigger.

[BaboNation]

Hats off to the poll voters.  I think it may be the best early season submission in recent memory, all the way through ARV.

Lots of powerful teams in the Midwest.

If I'd been voting I'd have had IWU @ 1 and Yeshiva @ 3, but that's quibbling.

[PoppersMacsLive]

I agree with Ryan on almost every point here. Yeshiva definitely looks like the best team on paper and even UWP and IWU, who I think present Yeshiva with the most matchup issues, themselves have matchup issues against the Macs.

Where I disagree with Ryan is that from a players' mentality perspective, it is difficult to focus night in and night out when you are playing severely inferior teams. On the Division I level, Gonzaga is a fantastic example of this; no one would argue about their talent level and how good they are as a team over the last few years, yet they often struggle in first halves against bad and average teams. It says A LOT about a teams' mentality when that team curb stomps inferior competition on a nightly basis (this is partially why I'm a bit higher on Amherst than the voting panel).

Yeshiva showed me the mentality I wanted to see from them in their first few games; I haven't seen that same mentality in the last few games (with the exception of @ SJC-BK). If Yeshiva continues to play the way in their next few games the way they have against Purchase and Manhattanville, I will probably drop Yeshiva down a spot or two (depending on what I see from UWP and IWU in their upcoming games, too). If Yeshiva shows me the mentality they had in their first few games of the year, I'll keep them at 1.

RMC is incredibly consistent and they are a fantastic team, but they don't appear to me to be a #1 team to me at this point in time. Also, part of their consistency is that they will often leave weaker opponents in games late due to slow pace of play and good, but not great, offensive play. It is rare to see Yeshiva, even in games where they play incredibly sloppily, not pick things up at one point; during the 44-game winning streak, the only 3 games where they didn't tighten things up in-game when they needed to were against Sarah Lawrence (won 74-72), against Farmingdale State in the Skyline Semifinals (won 74-69), and against Rochester (won 70-63). In all other games where they have played sloppily, Yeshiva will find a spark and go on a run at one point, often triggered by good defense leading into great transition offense.

It's funny.  I have no problem saying Yeshiva is the best team on paper.  I think they matchup well against all the top teams.  I just struggle with how little genuine competition they have.  There's still some sloppiness that a good team will make them pay for.  They've showed, in the few big games they've been able to manage, that they can tighten it up when they need to, but I want to see the consistency you get from a team like RMC, where everything is locked down regardless of opponent, ever game, before I pull the #1 trigger.

[WUPHF]

They've showed, in the few big games they've been able to manage, that they can tighten it up when they need to, but I want to see the consistency you get from a team like RMC, where everything is locked down regardless of opponent, ever game, before I pull the #1 trigger.

The big games being Rochester and St. Joseph or are you also going back to Williams and the second round of the tournament from March 2020?

I like Yeshiva a lot and I agree with nearly everyone else in the world that they have the POY.  But, the closest I can get is relatively big games.

[Titan Q]

They've showed, in the few big games they've been able to manage, that they can tighten it up when they need to, but I want to see the consistency you get from a team like RMC, where everything is locked down regardless of opponent, ever game, before I pull the #1 trigger.

The big games being Rochester and St. Joseph or are you also going back to Williams and the second round of the tournament from March 2020?

I like Yeshiva a lot and I agree with nearly everyone else in the world that they have the POY.  But, the closest I can get is relatively big games.

During the 44-game streak, has Yeshiva played a ranked team (at the moment of the game)?

WPI and PSU-Harrisburg were not ranked in Week 12 of 2019-20.

Will Illinois Wesleyan be the first ranked team the Macs have faced during the streak?