Top 25 talk

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

W&L would LOVE to be in the UAA, but they won't be in the conference for a host of reasons. Location is also chief among them.

W&L is interested in the SAA, but from what I'm told ... that interest is one-way.

Interesting about W&L. When the SAA was formed I heard that W&L chose to stay in the ODAC due to travel simplicity. I was also told, even as the ODAC has struggled for football members, that the leadership in Lexington still prefers the ODAC versus any other option except the CC,  but that the CC has no need or interest in the Generals outside of wrestling.

Just rumors of course and you would be more plugged in than me.

I know this has been discussed before, but W&L has talked about leaving the ODAC and that came to a head recently when Southern Virginia was considered for full ODAC membership. From what I was told by multiple sources, W&L basically told the ODAC or those that needed to know that should SVU be brought in, they would leave the ODAC.

Yes, they would like to be in the Centennial other than as an associate member for wrestling. That won't happen. Period. Centennial is NOT interested.

I've been told by multiple sources that W&L has been interested in being in the SAA, though travel certainly is a challenge to that idea. And at this time, no one is interested in bringing W&L in.

W&L has played a lot of cards to try and get their way, IMO, and they have no where to go. I think many know that despite Southern Virginia not being admitted to the ODAC. I think that decision had less to do with W&L and more to do with whether SVU was the right choice for the ODAC.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Could W&L consider joining the eastern C2C teams and try to bring in a few more schools to make a conference? You'd have Washington & Lee, Mary Washington, Salisbury, and Chris Newport as 4 with the longest travel being W&L to Salisbury at just over 300 miles. Add a few more to the mix and you've got a conference

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Could W&L consider joining the eastern C2C teams and try to bring in a few more schools to make a conference? You'd have Washington & Lee, Mary Washington, Salisbury, and Chris Newport as 4 with the longest travel being W&L to Salisbury at just over 300 miles. Add a few more to the mix and you've got a conference

Highly doubt it. They would lose access to a football AQ for starters.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

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[Pat Coleman]

Could W&L consider joining the eastern C2C teams and try to bring in a few more schools to make a conference? You'd have Washington & Lee, Mary Washington, Salisbury, and Chris Newport as 4 with the longest travel being W&L to Salisbury at just over 300 miles. Add a few more to the mix and you've got a conference

Highly doubt it. They would lose access to a football AQ for starters.

Considering the objections W&L has raised over multiple decades to private schools it considers beneath W&L academically, I can't imagine they would deign to join a conference made up of state schools.

[CNU85]

Very interesting reading and thoughts. There's a lot happening. Imagine what's happening that we know nothing about.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Very interesting reading and thoughts. There's a lot happening. Imagine what's happening that we know nothing about.

... it is crazy ...

[Greek Tragedy]

Clark is 12-0 and no votes? They haven't played anyone? Apparently, Yeshiva hasn't either. Of course, Clark's record the last few years is a little less impressive than Yeshiva's. LOL

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Clark is 12-0 and no votes? They haven't played anyone? Apparently, Yeshiva hasn't either. Of course, Clark's record the last few years is a little less impressive than Yeshiva's. LOL

Congrats to Clark on their start... I know I had noticed it and hope to chat with them about it soon.

Just a couple of things that jumped out at me:

Clark's OWP is .380 while Yeshiva's is .414 (not even considering Williams who they didn't play; would have jumped that to .448).

Clark's margin of victory is 11.5. Yeshiva's is 31.4 in their wins and 28.4 overall.

As you noted ... Clark hasn't had one winning season (13-12) in the last 10 full seasons ... Yeshiva just got off a 50-game winning streak (even if you knock their schedule, they won the games).

Not saying Clark shouldn't get a deeper dive, but let's not just throw them into the Yeshiva pile because it seems simple enough.

NYU seems to always start the season on a tear and then when the chips are laid down in conference season, disappear. Many voters are likely looking at Clark and their non-conference season and wondering what is really behind the cover.

[deiscanton]

Dave has a point about the NYU men.  Last really strong NYU men's team was the 2015-16 season NYU men's basketball team that finished 3rd in the UAA with a 21-6 record, 9-5 in the UAA.

Very common for Joe Nesci coached NYU teams in the past to fade out once they get into the UAA schedule.  The current NYU coach Dagan Nelson still has to prove that his young NYU team will get at least to a 5 to 7 win range in UAA games this year. 

[Greek Tragedy]

Definitely not throwing Clark in Yeshiva's pile, but 12-0 and not a single vote...

[BaboNation]

Clark is 12-0 and no votes? They haven't played anyone? Apparently, Yeshiva hasn't either. Of course, Clark's record the last few years is a little less impressive than Yeshiva's. LOL

Yeah, I made this point on R2/NEWMAC when they were 10-0 and asked, expecting the shutout at the next poll, whether there was any precedent for an 11-0 (now 12-0) team to get no ORV.

And they'll be 12-0 next week if there's a poll, because their Sat. game is postponed.  Even now though Massey has them only 4th in a 8-team conference, so D3Hoops is not an outlier.

As an avid NEWMAC follower let me state in no uncertain terms that I don't think they are worthy of votes at this time.  They aren't a top-30 team, which probably would be required to even sniff ORVs. But, things are definitely different this year.  They may still fall on their face in conference, but having not seen them for 2 years, and seeing them now, they play a lot more under control.  Their defense is still spotty (being charitable) but offensively they will give every conference opponent a challenge.

Davern, their grad post player is effective inside and from the arc.  The 2 guys who have come out of nowhere are sophomore Saintilus and freshman Taylor, who leads the team in scoring.  Both quick and athletic.  2/3 years ago it was mostly just iso-ball with either Davern or speedy guard Biko Gayman.  I give a lot of credit to Gayman (now playing as a grad) who often defers to Taylor.

Coach Simms, now in his 2nd full year obviously deserves credit in getting the team to play within a system. 

EDIT: And their OT win against MIT should be taken with some grain of salt, because MIT played w/o 2 of their best players in Hinkley and the Greek Geek.  Still, it counts.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

While most software goes through alpha and beta versions, this program just got the omicron update; it now automatically notes games marked as postponements (42 total in this report), cancellations (19), and forfeits (4) - although I just discovered that some forfeits are listed in the database as (e.g.) "2 - 0 Canceled." Such games will be reported here as "Canceled" rather than forfeit wins/losses, unless I decide to update my program further.

FWIW, about 40% of the D3 games scheduled for yesterday were postponed or canceled.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	611	Randolph-Macon	10-1	01/08 vs. Guilford postponed
#2	602	UW-Platteville	15-0	won at UW-Eau Claire, 60-46; def. UW-Stout, 93-86
#3	570	Illinois Wesleyan	9-2	01/08 at Carthage postponed
#4	540	UW-Oshkosh	13-2	LOST to UW-Whitewater, 78-82 OT; won at UW-River Falls, 80-70
#5	477	Yeshiva	14-1	IDLE
#6	448	St. Joseph (Conn.)	9-0	01/06 at Albertus Magnus postponed; def. Regis (Mass.), 95-54
#7	437	Washington U.	10-1	01/08 at Chicago postponed
#8	434	Marietta	11-2	won at Muskingum, 92-72; def. Wilmington, 78-61
#9	395	Wheaton (Ill.)	12-2	won at North Park, 89-64
#10	386	Christopher Newport	14-2	01/05 at Marymount canceled; 01/08 at York (Pa.) postponed; won at Marymount, 91-66
#11	384	UW-La Crosse	11-2	won at UW-Stout, 89-85; won at UW-Stevens Point, 73-59
#12	359	Johns Hopkins	9-1	def. Dickinson, 82-48; won at Haverford, 80-61
#13	322	Whitworth	9-2	LOST at Whitman, 69-71
#14	289	Elmhurst	11-2	IDLE
#15	257	Mount Union	11-1	def. Baldwin Wallace, 2-0 (forfeit); def. Capital, 72-45
#16	253	Roanoke	9-2	01/05 vs. Ferrum postponed; 01/08 at Virginia Wesleyan postponed
#17	218	Williams	10-1	def. Hamilton, 61-45; LOST to #28 Amherst, 65-73
#18	191	Swarthmore	11-1	def. McDaniel, 78-37; def. Franklin and Marshall, 93-56
#19	172	Mary Hardin-Baylor	12-1	def. Concordia (Texas), 111-101; def. Sul Ross State, 94-81; def. Howard Payne, 94-59
#20	167	Maryville (Tenn.)	11-1	01/04 vs. Brevard postponed; 01/08 at Mary Baldwin canceled; 01/09 at Greensboro canceled
#21	155	Heidelberg	11-1	def. John Carroll, 2-0 (forfeit); def. Otterbein, 75-72
#22	104	Hardin-Simmons	10-2	LOST to #42 LeTourneau, 77-85; 01/08 vs. Texas-Dallas canceled
#23	89	Wesleyan	13-1	won at #28 Amherst, 94-85 3OT; 01/07 at T#33 Tufts postponed; won at Bates, 81-72
#24	51	WPI	10-1	won at Springfield, 68-52; def. MIT, 67-49
#25	39	RPI	9-1	01/08 at Union postponed

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	25	Oswego	10-1	def. St. Lawrence, 74-60
#27	24	Case Western Reserve	11-1	won at Hilbert, 102-80; won at Carnegie Mellon, 89-88
#28	22	Amherst	9-3	LOST to #23 Wesleyan, 85-94 3OT; LOST at Middlebury, 64-78; won at #17 Williams, 73-65
#29	15	DeSales	13-1	won at FDU-Florham, 102-63
T#30	14	Berry	11-2	won at Rhodes, 77-56; won at Hendrix, 77-66
T#30	14	Trinity (Texas)	10-2	01/08 vs. Texas Lutheran postponed
#32	11	Emory	8-3	01/04 vs. Huntingdon canceled; won at T#37 Rochester, 64-61
T#33	9	Tufts	4-7	01/07 vs. #23 Wesleyan postponed
T#33	9	Wartburg	12-2	won at Central, 58-35; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 81-65
#35	8	Brandeis	7-2	01/03 vs. Bates postponed; 01/08 vs. New York University postponed
#36	6	Augsburg	10-2	def. Macalester, 92-55
T#37	5	Rochester	8-3	won at Buffalo State, 99-57; LOST to #32 Emory, 61-64
T#37	5	Stockton	11-2	01/03 vs. Misericordia postponed; LOST at Kean, 75-83; won at William Paterson, 75-69
#39	3	Chapman	9-1	01/05 at Whittier postponed
T#40	2	Hampden-Sydney	7-3	LOST at Washington and Lee, 74-79
T#40	2	Nazareth	11-1	def. Houghton, 74-50; won at Hartwick, 81-44; won at Sage, 94-63
#42	1	LeTourneau	11-2	won at #22 Hardin-Simmons, 85-77; won at McMurry, 97-84

[Greek Tragedy]

So some conference forfeits count as wins and losses in conference standings only, but not in overall standings. So, in essence teams could get a conference win AND schedule another game, staying under the 25 game schedule.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Forfeits aren't counting for NCAA selection criteria.  Our plan is to mark them as conference games, but non regional. There's some database cleanup to do, for sure.