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Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2022, 10:05:23 AM
Tufts gained way too many points between the last two polls considering what they did on the floor (exactly zero).

We are not halfway through the season, however.

Looks like when Tufts entered the Nashville holiday tournament at 2-7, and then went 2-0 in Nashville when Luke Rogers returned, that is exactly zero.  (Tufts got 9 points in the January 2 poll with the 2 wins, and then gained an extra point this week without playing any games.)  I wouldn't have voted Tufts Top 25 right now either as they are too far down the rabbit hole, but YMMV.

(To be technical, these games were played in the Nashville suburb of Gallatin, but I am calling it the Nashville holiday tournament and referring to "Nashville" as the area of the tournament.)

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Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2022, 10:05:23 AM
Tufts gained way too many points between the last two polls considering what they did on the floor (exactly zero).

We are not halfway through the season, however.

LOL. Talk about splitting hairs. Tufts has played 11 games and has 13 remaining. So, after their next game, the Jumbos will be . . . halfway through their season.

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Yeah I have no problem thinking that Tufts is one of the top 25 teams in the country with Rogers on the floor---for the record I would disagree with, but I don't mind the logic---I just don't think you can immediately throw them in there without actual results. If the results didn't matter, why play the games?

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Quote from: Bucket on January 11, 2022, 10:54:40 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2022, 10:05:23 AM
Tufts gained way too many points between the last two polls considering what they did on the floor (exactly zero).

We are not halfway through the season, however.

LOL. Talk about splitting hairs. Tufts has played 11 games and has 13 remaining. So, after their next game, the Jumbos will be . . . halfway through their season.

The schedule for a Top 25 team typically includes a couple of conference tournament games, so I am generally thinking the season for teams here is more like 26 or 27.
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Quote from: deiscanton on January 11, 2022, 10:18:22 AM
(Tufts got 9 points in the January 2 poll with the 2 wins, and then gained an extra point this week without playing any games.) 

Thanks for that -- in my brain, Tufts had 6 points the previous week, but you are correct, it was 9. Going from 9 to 10 is not as severe.
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Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2022, 11:14:51 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 11, 2022, 10:18:22 AM
(Tufts got 9 points in the January 2 poll with the 2 wins, and then gained an extra point this week without playing any games.) 

Thanks for that -- in my brain, Tufts had 6 points the previous week, but you are correct, it was 9. Going from 9 to 10 is not as severe.

I moved Whitworth down a few slots, so Tufts got bumped one by default, since I tried, but couldn't find a team I particularly wanted to jump up into Whitworth's former place.
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Quote from: nescac1 on January 11, 2022, 09:20:35 AM
I just feel like a Top 25 has to reflect actual performance and not just theoretical potential based on prior seasons, especially when the season is half over.  And if you are looking at performance, Tufts is WAY behind Wesleyan, Williams, Middlebury and Amherst.   

I don't quite look at the poll the same way.  I always feel I'm trying to predict future performance with the poll - how likely is one team to beat another if they meet in the future.  If I'm comparing two teams in the poll, my general mindset is "if they played 100 times, who would I expect to win more often."

In that sense, I definitely use past performance from the season to influence and weigh those decisions, but not exclusively so.  You watch more NESCAC than me, so you're probably more correct.  I've just been underwhelmed with the performance of the other teams in the conference thus far, especially when it comes to consistency.  I know Tufts hasn't had much opportunity to look great, but I still have slightly more faith in them than the others at this moment.  Obviously there are games coming up soon that could change that.  As I said on Hoopsville last night, I think it has much more to do with my lack of trust in some of the other teams at 15-40 than it does my total commitment to Tufts.

For all of the many odd reasons we have this year, it feels like its just taking longer for teams to figure out who they are.  I don't mind being wrong.
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Isn't the poll based on past results of the current season. The only poll that is based on future results is the preseason poll. I honestly don't pay too much attention to the poll, that's just my thought of what a poll is. If the #1 team loses, that usually reflects on the next week's poll.
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How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1615Randolph-Macon11-1def. Eastern Mennonite, 82-55; 01/15 vs. T#39 Lynchburg
#2607UW-Platteville15-001/12 at #35 UW-Whitewater postponed; 01/15 vs. UW-Stevens Point
#3569Illinois Wesleyan10-2def. Millikin, 78-67; 01/15 vs. Augustana
#4489Washington U.10-101/14 at #25 Emory; 01/16 at Rochester
#5484Yeshiva14-1IDLE
#6481UW-Oshkosh13-201/12 vs. UW-Stevens Point canceled; 01/15 at UW-Stout
#7470St. Joseph (Conn.)9-001/12 at Elms postponed; 01/15 vs. Colby-Sawyer
#8450Marietta11-2def. #14 Mount Union, 84-59; 01/15 vs. #19 Heidelberg
#9422Christopher Newport14-2IDLE
#10396Wheaton (Ill.)12-3LOST to Augustana, 73-79; 01/15 vs. North Central (Ill.)
#11386UW-La Crosse12-2def. UW-River Falls, 77-66; 01/15 at UW-Eau Claire
#12366Johns Hopkins9-2LOST to #16 Swarthmore, 69-78; 01/13 vs. McDaniel; 01/15 at Ursinus
#13296Elmhurst11-201/12 vs. Carthage postponed
#14294Mount Union10-2LOST at #8 Marietta, 59-84; 01/15 vs. Otterbein
#15230Roanoke9-3LOST at Guilford, 53-58; 01/15 vs. Washington and Lee
#16226Swarthmore12-1won at #12 Johns Hopkins, 78-69; 01/13 vs. Washington College; 01/15 at Gettysburg
#17216Mary Hardin-Baylor12-101/13 at East Texas Baptist; 01/15 at Belhaven
#18192Maryville (Tenn.)11-101/14 vs. Brevard
#19178Heidelberg11-1def. Capital, 87-66; 01/15 at #8 Marietta
#20165Whitworth9-201/14 vs. Puget Sound; 01/15 vs. Pacific Lutheran
#21136Wesleyan13-101/14 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 01/16 at Connecticut College
#2288Williams10-101/14 at Bowdoin; 01/15 at Colby
#2385WPI11-1def. Babson, 88-57; 01/15 at Emerson
#2441RPI9-101/14 at Clarkson; 01/15 at St. Lawrence
#2540Emory8-301/14 vs. #4 Washington U.; 01/16 vs. Chicago


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2639Case Western Reserve11-101/14 at New York University; 01/16 at T#39 Brandeis postponed
#2728Oswego11-1won at Buffalo State, 109-72; 01/13 at SUNY Potsdam; 01/14 at Plattsburgh State
#2817Hardin-Simmons10-201/13 at Howard Payne; 01/15 at Sul Ross State
#2916DeSales13-101/12 vs. King's postponed; 01/15 at Lycoming
#3014Trinity (Texas)11-2def. University of Dallas, 74-65; 01/13 at St. Thomas (Texas); 01/15 at Colorado College
T#3112LeTourneau11-201/13 vs. University of the Ozarks canceled
T#3112Amherst9-301/11 vs. Lesley canceled; 01/14 vs. Bates; 01/15 vs. #34 Tufts
#3311Wartburg13-2def. Coe, 76-72; 01/15 vs. Buena Vista
#3410Tufts4-701/10 vs. Mass-Boston postponed; 01/14 at Hamilton; 01/15 at T#31 Amherst
#359UW-Whitewater11-401/12 vs. #2 UW-Platteville postponed; 01/15 at UW-River Falls
T#368Berry11-201/14 vs. Centre; 01/16 vs. Sewanee
T#368Augsburg11-201/10 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.) canceled; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 76-60; 01/15 at St. John's
#386Nazareth11-101/14 at Elmira; 01/15 vs. Utica
T#393Brandeis7-201/14 vs. Carnegie Mellon postponed; 01/16 vs. #26 Case Western Reserve postponed
T#393Lynchburg8-301/15 at #1 Randolph-Macon
T#412Chapman9-101/12 vs. La Verne canceled; 01/15 vs. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
T#412Clark12-1LOST to Emerson, 59-72; 01/15 at Coast Guard
T#412Mass-Dartmouth8-201/15 vs. Castleton
#441Middlebury10-201/14 at Colby; 01/15 at Bowdoin
12 postponements 8 cancellations

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Believe it or not, the Division III basketball season is basically at it's midway point - at least in terms of games played for most teams. Now everyone's focus turns towards the end of February and positioning themselves for conference tournaments and hopefully NCAA glory.

If COVID will allow, of course.

On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville, we talk with a few programs who appear to be in very good position midway through January. Of course, each will likely tell us there is a long way to go.

Plus we debut the women's edition of the Top 25 Double-Take. Gordon Mann and Riley Zayas, of Tru to the Cru, join the show with their Dubious, Deep Dive, and Debatable teams throughout Division III.

Watch the show On Demand here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan13

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Guests include:
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- Doreen Carden, Albion women's coach
- Dan Pruessner, Eastern men's coach
- Michele Davis, Utica women's coach
- Women's Top 25 Double-Take: Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com, Riley Zayas, True to the Cru

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How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1615Randolph-Macon12-1def. Eastern Mennonite, 82-55; def. T#39 Lynchburg, 84-65
#2607UW-Platteville16-001/12 at #35 UW-Whitewater postponed; def. UW-Stevens Point, 89-78
#3569Illinois Wesleyan11-2def. Millikin, 78-67; def. Augustana, 83-78
#4489Washington U.12-1won at #25 Emory, 72-61; won at Rochester, 70-61
#5484Yeshiva14-1IDLE
#6481UW-Oshkosh13-201/12 vs. UW-Stevens Point canceled; 01/15 at UW-Stout canceled
#7470St. Joseph (Conn.)10-001/12 at Elms postponed; def. Colby-Sawyer, 103-62
#8450Marietta12-2def. #14 Mount Union, 84-59; def. #19 Heidelberg, 100-84
#9422Christopher Newport14-2IDLE
#10396Wheaton (Ill.)13-3LOST to Augustana, 73-79; def. North Central (Ill.), 83-79
#11386UW-La Crosse13-2def. UW-River Falls, 77-66; won at UW-Eau Claire, 67-60
#12366Johns Hopkins11-2LOST to #16 Swarthmore, 69-78; def. McDaniel, 70-65; won at Ursinus, 99-90
#13296Elmhurst11-201/12 vs. Carthage postponed
#14294Mount Union11-2LOST at #8 Marietta, 59-84; def. Otterbein, 74-59
#15230Roanoke9-4LOST at Guilford, 53-58; LOST to Washington and Lee, 57-77
#16226Swarthmore14-1won at #12 Johns Hopkins, 78-69; def. Washington College, 98-47; won at Gettysburg, 78-63
#17216Mary Hardin-Baylor12-2LOST at East Texas Baptist, 72-81; 01/15 at Belhaven canceled
#18192Maryville (Tenn.)12-1def. Brevard, 98-74
#19178Heidelberg11-2def. Capital, 87-66; LOST at #8 Marietta, 84-100
#20165Whitworth11-2def. Puget Sound, 93-77; def. Pacific Lutheran, 97-69
#21136Wesleyan15-1def. Trinity (Conn.), 82-74; won at Connecticut College, 84-64
#2288Williams12-1won at Bowdoin, 82-53; won at Colby, 74-58
#2385WPI12-1def. Babson, 88-57; won at Emerson, 79-68
#2441RPI11-1won at Clarkson, 80-63; won at St. Lawrence, 59-41
#2540Emory9-4LOST to #4 Washington U., 61-72; def. Chicago, 83-68


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2639Case Western Reserve12-1won at New York University, 98-71; 01/16 at T#39 Brandeis postponed
#2728Oswego13-1won at Buffalo State, 109-72; won at SUNY Potsdam, 76-58; won at Plattsburgh State, 109-70
#2817Hardin-Simmons10-4LOST at Howard Payne, 60-75; LOST at Sul Ross State, 79-81
#2916DeSales14-101/12 vs. King's postponed; won at Lycoming, 54-53
#3014Trinity (Texas)12-3def. University of Dallas, 74-65; LOST at St. Thomas (Texas), 51-59; won at Colorado College, 80-76
T#3112LeTourneau11-201/13 vs. University of the Ozarks canceled
T#3112Amherst10-401/11 vs. Lesley canceled; def. Bates, 63-58; LOST to #34 Tufts, 66-74
#3311Wartburg13-3def. Coe, 76-72; LOST to Buena Vista, 84-88
#3410Tufts5-801/10 vs. Mass-Boston postponed; LOST at Hamilton, 64-77; won at T#31 Amherst, 74-66
#359UW-Whitewater11-501/12 vs. #2 UW-Platteville postponed; LOST at UW-River Falls, 60-76
T#368Berry11-201/14 vs. Centre canceled; 01/16 vs. Sewanee canceled
T#368Augsburg12-201/10 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.) canceled; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 76-60; won at St. John's, 67-66
#386Nazareth13-1won at Elmira, 70-60; def. Utica, 79-39
T#393Brandeis7-201/14 vs. Carnegie Mellon postponed; 01/16 vs. #26 Case Western Reserve postponed
T#393Lynchburg8-4LOST at #1 Randolph-Macon, 65-84
T#412Chapman9-201/12 vs. La Verne canceled; LOST to Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 69-75
T#412Clark13-1LOST to Emerson, 59-72; won at Coast Guard, 96-90
T#412Mass-Dartmouth9-2def. Castleton, 90-68
#441Middlebury12-2won at Colby, 81-66; won at Bowdoin, 78-64

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Suddenly we are midway through January and in just six weeks the conversation will be about who is in or out of the NCAA Tournaments. Conference schedules intensify as teams try and position themselves for conference tournaments.

All this while COVID still impacts games and changes conference rules or allowances for postseason tournaments.

On Monday's edition of Hoopsville, we talk to a few more teams still flying a bit under the radar along with one who is just hoping to survive the conference schedule in the best shape as possible.
Plus, we react to the latest Top 25 men's poll in the Double-Take with Ryan Scott,D3hoops.com, and Bob Quillman, IWUHoops.com. And we preview not only the upcoming NCAA Convention but our special on the topic.

You can watch the show LIVE (or on demand) here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan17

We are also simulcasting on our Facebook Live page (www.facebook.com/Hoopsville) and YouTube page (http://www.youtube.com/Hoopsville)

Guests include (order subject to change):
- Steve Lanpham, Randolph women's coach
- Don Friday, PSU-Harrisburg men's coach
- Andy Yosinoff, Emmanuel women's coach
- Ron Rose, No. 4 Illinois Wesleyan men's coach
- Men's Top 25 Double-Take: Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com, and Bob Quillman, IWUHoops.com

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The annual NCAA Convention is this week and it is one of the most important gatherings of Association membership in the modern history of the NCAA. While a lot of eyes will be on Division I, all three Divisions must vote on a new NCAA Constitution. Division III has played an important role in crafting the new constitution as those in the division try and position DIII for the future.

And while the new NCAA Constitution will garner much of the attention this week in Indianapolis, it isn't the only piece of business that Division III needs to consider. There are a number of pieces of legislation DIII presidents, commissioners, and athletics directors will debate and likely vote on as well. Some of those items could have huge impacts on Division III including the sport of basketball.

In this special edition of Hoopsville, Dave McHugh gathers three ADs and a commissioner to have a round table discussion, and get insight, on the Constitution, DIII's role, and the legislation that will be considered. Plus, we react to what is ahead for DIII and the impact some of the legislation could have on DIII and it's student-athletes.

You can watch the show On Demand here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/ncaa_convention

Guests include:
- Dr. Angel Mason, Director of Athletics for Berry College
- Jason Fein, Director of Athletics for Bates College
- Stefanie 'Stevie' Baker-Watson, Associate Vice President for Wellness and Director of Athletics at DePauw University
- Brad Bankston, Commissioner of the Old Dominion Athletic Conference, former DIII Management Council and Championships Committee member
- Pat Coleman, Editor-in-Chief for D3sports.com

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