Top 25 talk

[Greek Tragedy]

There isn't really any similarity between basketball 's IWU Top 25 argument and football's UMHB argument. At best, IWU's losses to a ranked  UMHB and an unranked Marietta should be a wash to their win at a mid-20s ranked Wash U. If Wash U was ranked in the top 5, I could see IWU's big jump into the rankings.

[y_jack_lok]

I'll put on my crash helmet here and just throw this out there--in my view IWU doesn't deserved to be ranked top 25 at this point.  Two losses should disqualify you over other zero or one loss teams, no matter the nice win over Wash U.  Obviously I'm a homer, but Coe and Dubuque out of the stronger at the moment ARC are deserving, teams like IC, Trinity Tx. and Albertus should have gotten in over IWU at this stage.  Albertus in particular has a similar SoS as the Titans and is 5-0 and ranked 13 spots higher by Massey. 

I understand the top 25 is rather unscientific, ultimately not super meaningful,  and (it seems anyway) heavily influenced by social media voices; but it's still a nice piece of public relations for teams to be able to put out there and makes it more exciting for conferences in general.

I watched all of the first half of Keene State at Albertus Magnus last night, and checked in throughout the second half. Keene was up by 4 with about 10 minutes to go, then outscored Albertus by 13 in the final 10 minutes to win 94-77. It was a pretty fast paced game and Albertus looked to be pretty quick. Neither defense looked very good, thus the fairly robust score. Not gonna weigh in on the merits of Albertus as a top 25 candidate. I think both teams would struggle against the better defensive teams in the country.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Maryville @ Warren Wilson currently 82-50 with 9:50 left.
UCSC @ Pomona-Pitzer tips off shortly.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	607	UW-Whitewater	5-1	LOST at #30 Carthage, 73-77
#2	570	Hampden-Sydney	5-1	def. Averett, 88-60; LOST at #11 Guilford, 71-80
#3	568	John Carroll	6-0	won at Baldwin Wallace, 99-93 OT; def. Ohio Northern, 89-65
#4	529	Mount Union	5-1	LOST to Wilmington, 79-80
#5	522	Calvin	6-0	def. UW-La Crosse, 84-71
#6	504	Oswego State	7-0	def. St. Lawrence, 66-58; def. SUNY Potsdam, 98-60; def. Plattsburgh State, 101-72
#7	425	Keene State	6-1	won at #31 Albertus Magnus, 94-77; def. Southern Maine, 94-80
#8	401	New York University	6-1	won at Connecticut College, 78-73
#9	384	Case Western Reserve	6-0	def. Capital, 94-87; def. Kalamazoo, 100-73
#10	360	Christopher Newport	6-2	won at Mary Baldwin, 64-61
#11	309	Guilford	6-0	won at William Peace, 80-62; def. #2 Hampden-Sydney, 80-71
#12	291	WPI	6-1	LOST to #23 Tufts, 58-67
#13	245	Washington U.	7-1	def. Webster, 88-59; won at Millikin, 63-47
#14	237	Swarthmore	6-1	def. Washington College, 67-48; won at Dickinson, 67-55
#15	232	Williams	7-1	def. Emmanuel, 71-67; won at Wesleyan, 62-60
#16	221	Emory	6-1	def. Sewanee, 109-72; def. (n) Colby, 87-57; def. (n) Bates, 88-77
#17	175	Redlands	4-2	LOST to Cal Lutheran, 65-74
#18	172	Trinity (Conn.)	9-0	won at Anna Maria, 87-66; def. (n) Framingham State, 76-44; def. (n) Norwich, 72-54
#19	153	Marietta	4-2	LOST at Heidelberg, 65-84
#20	141	Illinois Wesleyan	5-3	LOST at T#38 Elmhurst, 73-90; def. Carroll, 79-69
#21	125	Virginia Wesleyan	7-1	LOST at #27 Randolph-Macon, 41-50; def. Lynchburg, 70-55
#22	106	UW-Oshkosh	4-1	IDLE
#23	73	Tufts	8-0	won at #12 WPI, 67-58; def. Clark, 75-71; won at Mass-Dartmouth, 76-64
#24	71	Trine	6-0	won at Heidelberg, 82-72
#25	70	Pomona-Pitzer	8-0	def. Whittier, 97-71; won at Caltech, 63-39; def. UC Santa Cruz, 77-73

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	68	Illinois College	7-0	won at Cornell, 83-56; won at Ripon, 72-62
#27	61	Randolph-Macon	4-2	def. #21 Virginia Wesleyan, 50-41; won at Randolph, 71-59
#28	54	Catholic	6-1	def. Elizabethtown, 98-54; def. Wilkes, 89-47
#29	52	St. Thomas (Texas)	7-2	LOST at University of Dallas, 78-81; won at Austin, 81-68
#30	50	Carthage	6-1	def. #1 UW-Whitewater, 77-73; def. Augustana, 85-79
#31	41	Albertus Magnus	6-1	LOST to #7 Keene State, 77-94; won at Colby-Sawyer, 82-74
#32	34	Trinity (Texas)	7-0	def. T#42 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 83-64; won at Southwestern, 87-75; won at Texas Lutheran, 70-60
#33	32	Widener	7-1	won at #41 DeSales, 92-77; def. T#53 Arcadia, 89-63
#34	30	St. Joseph (Conn.)	6-1	won at #44 Babson, 73-64; won at St. Joseph's (Maine), 92-73
#35	28	Rowan	5-3	LOST to TCNJ, 72-82; won at William Paterson, 86-61
#36	25	UW-Platteville	6-1	def. Ripon, 71-54; def. Olivet, 97-54
#37	20	Stockton	4-3	LOST at Rutgers-Camden, 61-64; def. Ramapo, 71-66
T#38	16	Coe	8-1	won at Simpson, 82-75; def. Buena Vista, 78-66
T#38	16	Elmhurst	6-0	def. #20 Illinois Wesleyan, 90-73; won at North Park, 74-69
#40	15	Wabash	6-2	def. DePauw, 62-61; won at Oberlin, 76-70
#41	14	DeSales	4-2	LOST to #33 Widener, 77-92; won at Alvernia, 68-63
T#42	12	Mary Hardin-Baylor	2-4	LOST at #32 Trinity (Texas), 64-83; LOST at Concordia (Texas), 82-88
T#42	12	Dubuque	7-0	won at Luther, 63-43; won at Simpson, 70-59
#44	11	Babson	4-3	LOST to #34 St. Joseph (Conn.), 64-73
T#45	10	Nichols	6-1	won at Hartford, 78-71; def. Curry, 84-67
T#45	10	St. Norbert	5-1	LOST to Illinois Tech, 76-92; def. Dominican, 77-61
#47	6	Hope	4-0	def. Hanover, 76-73 OT
T#48	3	Mary Washington	6-2	won at Southern Virginia, 73-48; def. Marymount, 52-49
T#48	3	Montclair State	4-2	LOST to Rutgers-Newark, 60-72; won at Rutgers-Camden, 72-70
T#48	3	Utica	5-1	won at Ithaca, 82-71; won at Houghton, 91-74
T#51	2	Maryville	7-2	won at Berry, 85-83; def. Washington and Lee, 87-84 OT; won at Warren Wilson, 112-61
T#51	2	UW-Superior	5-1	LOST to UW-Stevens Point, 53-58
T#53	1	Arcadia	5-2	LOST at York (Pa.), 77-83; LOST at #33 Widener, 63-89
T#53	1	Concordia-Moorhead	6-0	won at Bethel, 57-52

[E.115]

^ Your format is easy on the eyes and super easy to follow--thanks for always doing this.

[thebear]

I saw Oswego play this weekend, very deep and very talented. 

I think there is little separation between John Carroll, Calvin, and Oswego for the #1 spot after this weekend's upsets.

From what I saw Oswego's second five is a very good D-III team.

Oswego plays CWRU and Pomona-Pitzer in Vegas at year end which should add some clarity.

[Ron Boerger]

World's biggest Trinity(TX) homer here, but if you have the chance to catch one of their games (their broadcasts are really quite decent), they have a 6'8" freshman by the name of Christian Green who is already starting, leading the team in scoring (17.7ppg) and rebounding (8.7), and has a skill set I'm not sure Trinity has ever seen in my years of following the team.  One of his dunks was recently boosted by the NCAA Division III Xitter account.  He makes youthful mistakes to be sure, but there's so much potential there.   Unfortunately after a nice 7-0 start they don't play again until the 15th.

They will be playing in the D3hoops Classic this month (the school's first appearance there) so anyone making that trek will have the chance to see him in person in what should be a good matchup with a likely undefeated Pomona-Pitzer (8-0 with only one game at bottom feeding La Sierra between now and then). 

[Darryl Nester]

^ Your format is easy on the eyes and super easy to follow--thanks for always doing this.

Thanks for the feedback - I'm happy to do it.

[WPI89]

Ditto, Darryl!  It is a real highlight of the week to devour the info on your well-laid-out "chart"!  Very much appreciated.

[ziggy]

World's biggest Trinity(TX) homer here, but if you have the chance to catch one of their games (their broadcasts are really quite decent), they have a 6'8" freshman by the name of Christian Green who is already starting, leading the team in scoring (17.7ppg) and rebounding (8.7), and has a skill set I'm not sure Trinity has ever seen in my years of following the team.  One of his dunks was recently boosted by the NCAA Division III Xitter account.  He makes youthful mistakes to be sure, but there's so much potential there.   Unfortunately after a nice 7-0 start they don't play again until the 15th.

They will be playing in the D3hoops Classic this month (the school's first appearance there) so anyone making that trek will have the chance to see him in person in what should be a good matchup with a likely undefeated Pomona-Pitzer (8-0 with only one game at bottom feeding La Sierra between now and then).

Here is the dunk mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FaDchIUmaSw

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	598	John Carroll	7-0	won at Muskingum, 87-84
#2	575	Calvin	7-0	def. Wheaton (Ill.), 77-54
#3	535	Guilford	9-0	won at Roanoke, 65-53; won at T#39 Mary Washington, 65-62; won at Greensboro, 60-45
#4	514	Oswego State	7-0	IDLE
#5	477	Keene State	8-2	def. Westfield State, 86-73; won at Plymouth State, 83-58; LOST to #12 Tufts, 63-65
#6	473	UW-Whitewater	6-1	won at Hope, 79-76
#7	470	Hampden-Sydney	6-1	won at #26 Randolph-Macon, 61-52
#8	448	Case Western Reserve	7-0	won at Adrian, 83-65
#9	441	New York University	7-1	def. Brooklyn, 111-66
#10	335	Christopher Newport	6-2	IDLE
#11	312	Mount Union	7-1	won at Muskingum, 82-48; won at Ohio Northern, 62-59
#12	311	Tufts	10-0	won at #27 St. Joseph (Conn.), 86-77; won at #5 Keene State, 65-63
#13	298	Trinity (Conn.)	11-0	def. Mitchell, 87-31; def. Western New England, 84-46
#14	270	Emory	6-1	IDLE
#15	263	Swarthmore	7-2	def. Ursinus, 82-66; LOST to #28 Widener, 57-77
#16	257	Washington U.	7-1	IDLE
#17	198	WPI	8-1	won at Salve Regina, 64-50; def. Babson, 61-49
#18	190	Williams	9-1	def. SUNY Oneonta, 70-65; won at Springfield, 61-56
#19	164	Trine	7-0	def. UW-Stevens Point, 79-78
#20	140	Pomona-Pitzer	8-0	IDLE
#21	138	Elmhurst	8-0	def. Marian, 88-65; def. #22 Carthage, 74-59
#22	132	Carthage	7-2	def. North Central (Ill.), 95-75; LOST at #21 Elmhurst, 59-74
#23	94	Trinity (Texas)	7-0	IDLE
#24	77	UW-Oshkosh	5-2	won at Whitworth, 79-68; LOST at Whitman, 60-68
#25	67	Illinois College	9-0	won at Monmouth, 71-39; def. Lawrence, 53-35

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	51	Randolph-Macon	5-3	def. T#39 Mary Washington, 79-51; LOST to #7 Hampden-Sydney, 52-61
#27	48	St. Joseph (Conn.)	7-2	LOST to #12 Tufts, 77-86; def. New England College, 81-56
#28	43	Widener	8-1	won at #15 Swarthmore, 77-57
#29	36	UW-Platteville	7-1	won at Hope, 61-57
#30	27	Redlands	4-2	IDLE
#31	26	Catholic	7-2	LOST at Susquehanna, 58-60; won at Moravian, 83-74
#32	19	Illinois_Wesleyan	7-3	def. North Park, 70-56; won at North Central (Ill.), 66-43
#33	16	Virginia Wesleyan	9-1	won at Averett, 49-46; def. Roanoke, 70-58
#34	15	Coe	9-1	won at #36 Central, 85-83 OT
#35	14	St. Thomas (Texas)	7-2	IDLE
#36	10	Central	7-2	LOST to #34 Coe, 83-85 OT
T#37	8	Nichols	6-2	LOST to Western New England, 66-68
T#37	8	Dubuque	7-0	IDLE
T#39	6	Mary Washington	6-4	LOST at #26 Randolph-Macon, 51-79; LOST to #3 Guilford, 62-65
T#39	6	Maryville (Tenn.)	7-2	IDLE
#41	5	Albertus Magnus	8-1	won at Amherst, 73-71; def. Dean, 105-77
#42	4	Marietta	6-2	def. Capital, 93-72; won at Wilmington, 82-69
#43	3	Utica	5-2	LOST to Hamilton, 53-60
#44	2	Concordia-Moorhead	7-2	won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 71-57; LOST to St. John's, 70-77; LOST to Hamline, 56-66
#45	1	Stevens	7-2	won at Brooklyn, 75-52; LOST to Middlebury, 77-84 OT

[ronk]

What's the schedule for D3 hoops classic in Las Vegas for both men and women?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

What's the schedule for D3 hoops classic in Las Vegas for both men and women?

Sometimes there are changes after the schedule is set, but here's the published version:

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2023/08/d3hoops-classic-pairings

[Greek Tragedy]

No offense to the other teams participating, but...

Oswego St v CWRU
Trinity TX v Pomona Pitzer
Oswego St v Pomona Pitzer

Wow.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

No offense to the other teams participating, but...

Oswego St v CWRU
Trinity TX v Pomona Pitzer
Oswego St v Pomona Pitzer

Wow.

Don't sleep on Clark. 8-1 with a 4 point loss at unbeaten Tufts. They face Trinity (TX) and CWRU.

[Greek Tragedy]

I did consider those games as well. I didn't include them because they weren't ranked and possibly not as well known...