Top 25 talk

[PauldingLightUP]

I did consider those games as well. I didn't include them because they weren't ranked and possibly not as well known...

Time to give Clark some recognition I think.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	582	John Carroll	8-0	def. Wilmington, 92-54
#2	581	Calvin	8-0	won at St. Norbert, 88-66
#3	570	Guilford	9-0	IDLE
#4	544	Oswego State	7-0	IDLE
#5	493	Tufts	10-0	IDLE
#6	486	Hampden-Sydney	8-1	won at William Peace, 78-65; def. #25 Swarthmore, 67-46
#7	450	UW-Whitewater	7-1	def. Lawrence, 74-50
#8	432	Case Western Reserve	9-0	won at Earlham, 82-70
#9	411	New York University	8-1	def. Delaware Valley, 98-56
#10	352	Trinity (Conn.)	11-0	IDLE
#11	349	Keene State	8-2	IDLE
#12	313	Christopher Newport	8-3	LOST to T#31 Virginia Wesleyan, 68-74; won at Wilson, 68-49
#13	305	Mount Union	8-1	def. Capital, 79-68
#14	303	Emory	7-1	won at Oglethorpe, 98-78
#15	253	Elmhurst	9-0	def. Lawrence, 74-41
#16	230	WPI	8-1	IDLE
#17	225	Washington U.	9-1	def. Fontbonne, 96-75; def. Principia, 90-56
#18	177	Williams	9-1	IDLE
#19	172	Trine	7-0	IDLE
#20	156	Widener	8-1	IDLE
#21	146	Pomona-Pitzer	9-0	won at La Sierra, 78-63
#22	140	Trinity (Texas)	9-0	def. Austin, 89-54; def. University of Dallas, 87-52
#23	92	Illinois College	10-0	won at MSOE, 72-68
#24	61	UW-Platteville	8-1	won at North Central (Ill.), 80-65
#25	48	Swarthmore	7-3	LOST at #6 Hampden-Sydney, 46-67

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	42	Carthage	8-2	def. Illinois Tech, 83-79
#27	37	Illinois Wesleyan	7-3	IDLE
#28	32	St. Joseph (Conn.)	7-2	IDLE
#29	24	Redlands	4-2	IDLE
#30	19	Coe	11-1	def. Cornell, 73-53; def. North Central (Minn.), 72-70
T#31	18	Virginia Wesleyan	12-1	won at #12 Christopher Newport, 74-68; def. Johnson and Wales, 78-45; def. Belhaven, 67-61
T#31	18	Marietta	7-2	def. Ohio Northern, 103-102 2OT
#33	17	Randolph-Macon	7-3	def. (n) Marywood, 89-53; won at York (Pa.), 87-68
#34	10	St. Thomas (Texas)	8-2	def. Centenary (La.), 67-59
T#35	9	Maryville (Tenn.)	8-2	won at Greensboro, 70-62
T#35	9	Dubuque	7-0	IDLE
#37	8	Heidelberg	7-2	def. Muskingum, 84-70
#38	5	Stockton	6-5	LOST to TCNJ, 69-78; LOST to Eastern, 73-77
T#39	3	St. John's	7-2	IDLE
T#39	3	UW-Oshkosh	5-2	IDLE

[Darryl Nester]

It's good to be back ...

How They Fared (Complete)

Note: This report is also posted HERE—a process I started while d3boards was offline.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	619	Hampden-Sydney	26-2	def. (n) Ferrum, 81-61; def. (n) Virginia Wesleyan, 63-52; def. (n) Washington and Lee, 81-56
#2	587	Randolph-Macon	23-4	def. (n) Shenandoah, 71-68 OT; LOST to (n) Washington and Lee, 71-74
#3	546	John Carroll	25-2	def. Marietta, 88-69; def. #24 Mount Union, 88-86 OT
#4	537	Trinity (Conn.)	26-1	def. (n) #28 Tufts, 80-68; won at #20 Williams, 59-52
#5	512	Oswego State	25-2	def. Cortland, 76-68; LOST to SUNY New Paltz, 80-85
#6	449	Calvin	22-4	LOST to (n) Hope, 68-83
#7	447	Guilford	22-4	LOST to (n) Virginia Wesleyan, 60-67
#8	445	Cal Lutheran	23-4	def. Chapman, 85-76; LOST to #41 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 55-61
#9	421	Trine	23-4	def. Adrian, 74-70; LOST to Hope, 68-72 OT
#10	413	Trinity (Texas)	23-3	LOST to (n) Colorado College, 70-71
#11	401	Keene State	24-3	def. Rhode Island College, 83-68; def. T#34 Western Connecticut, 84-68
#12	386	Case Western Reserve	21-4	def. T#39 Carnegie Mellon, 76-75
#13	323	Widener	23-4	def. Alvernia, 80-70; LOST to Eastern, 69-98
#14	273	New York University	20-5	won at Brandeis, 74-68
#15	271	UW-Platteville	23-4	def. UW-Stout, 91-84; def. UW-River Falls, 97-74
#16	251	DeSales	24-3	def. Misericordia, 83-67; LOST to T#36 Stevens, 53-54
#17	218	Nebraska Wesleyan	23-4	def. #33 Dubuque, 73-67; LOST to #42 Loras, 76-85 OT
#18	213	Catholic	24-3	def. Wilkes, 93-88 OT; def. Susquehanna, 87-65
#19	127	Coe	21-5	LOST to #42 Loras, 73-76
#20	120	Williams	21-6	def. Amherst, 57-43; LOST to #4 Trinity (Conn.), 52-59
#21	84	Elmhurst	22-5	def. (n) Carthage, 80-66; won at #22 Illinois Wesleyan, 68-64
#22	68	Illinois Wesleyan	19-8	def. North Central (Ill.), 66-62; LOST to #21 Elmhurst, 64-68
#23	65	Johns Hopkins	20-7	def. Franklin and Marshall, 76-55; LOST to Swarthmore, 62-67
#24	47	Mount Union	20-7	def. Heidelberg, 91-85; LOST at #3 John Carroll, 86-88 OT
#25	39	Christopher Newport	21-6	def. UC Santa Cruz, 58-44; def. Mary Washington, 62-56

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	38	Rowan	19-7	LOST to TCNJ, 73-79
#27	35	St. John's	20-6	LOST to Hamline, 80-83
#28	29	Tufts	19-7	LOST to (n) #4 Trinity (Conn.), 68-80
#29	24	St. Joseph (Conn.)	24-4	def. Rivier, 97-65; def. Norwich, 69-60; def. St. Joseph's (Maine), 78-59
#30	20	Maryville	22-5	def. LaGrange, 92-68; def. Belhaven, 97-75
#31	17	WPI	21-5	LOST to Babson, 57-73
#32	16	Washington U.	18-7	def. Chicago, 61-58
#33	12	Dubuque	21-6	def. Central, 77-73; LOST at #17 Nebraska Wesleyan, 67-73
T#34	10	Western Connecticut	22-5	def. Mass-Dartmouth, 88-63; LOST at #11 Keene State, 68-84
T#34	10	Clark	20-7	def. Emerson, 78-70; LOST to Babson, 64-73
T#36	9	Stevens	22-5	def. (n) Arcadia, 73-70; won at #16 DeSales, 54-53
T#36	9	St. Thomas (Texas)	20-6	LOST to (n) Centenary (La.), 51-64
#38	7	Nichols	22-4	LOST to Roger Williams, 80-86
T#39	6	Hood	19-6	LOST to Eastern, 72-86
T#39	6	Carnegie Mellon	16-9	LOST at #12 Case Western Reserve, 75-76
#41	5	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	21-6	won at Whittier, 82-66; def. T#43 Pomona-Pitzer, 74-71; won at #8 Cal Lutheran, 61-55
#42	4	Loras	23-5	def. Buena Vista, 86-62; won at #19 Coe, 76-73; won at #17 Nebraska Wesleyan, 85-76 OT
T#43	3	Otterbein	17-9	LOST to Marietta, 67-73
T#43	3	Pomona-Pitzer	19-7	won at La Verne, 73-58; LOST at #41 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 71-74

[gordonmann]

Our men's basketball Top 25 archive has been updated through the end of the 2023-24 season.

Here are some nuggets from last season's national rankings.

Road to the top

Trine became the fourth team ever to win the national championship despite not being ranked in our preseason Top 25. The Thunder join Nebraska Wesleyan (2017-18), UW-Whitewater (2011-12), and Otterbein (2001-02). Trine appeared in the middle of a bunch of teams that "also received votes" in the preseason poll.

Trine had a rollercoaster ride to the top of the rankings: Unranked...24...19...12...11...7...3...2...7...9...13...1

First time for everything

Four teams made their first appearance in the Top 25. Coe is the only one that also finished the season nationally ranked. The others were Hood, Redlands, and Shenandoah.

Hitting the highwater mark

In addition to Trine and the four Top 25 debutants, five other teams reached their highest Top 25 placement last season: John Carroll (No. 1), Case Western (2), Trinity (Conn.) (3), Oswego State (4), and Cal Lutheran (8).

In the long run

Here are the five longest runs of consecutive Top 25 appearances entering next season:
1st Randolph-Macon: 83 straight (Every poll since Week 1 of the 2017-18 season)
T-2nd John Carroll: 28
T-2nd Keene State: 28
4th John Carroll: 23
5th Hampden-Sydney: 21

There was some movement in the list of programs with the most Top 25 appearances. Illinois Wesleyan and Randolph-Macon are now tied with Whitworth for the eighth most appearances (189). Williams has tied St. Thomas (Minn.) for fifth place all time and will likely pass the now-D1 Tommies next season.

The three programs with the most appearances remain Wooster (249), UW-Stevens Point (240), and Amherst (237), though none appeared in last season's national rankings. WashU (234) could move as high as second next season, unless the Pointers and Mammoths return to the rankings.

[y_jack_lok]

^^^ Randolph-Macon dropped out of the Top 25 week 1 of the just concluded season. They re-entered in week 4.

[gordonmann]

Oh! Good catch.

[HoopsDad34]

Fun little summer tourney here tomorrow: 5 teams in the final top 40: https://x.com/1on1basketball/status/1805731770026934751?s=46&t=HWcQ-GhmsuEklNmNTZJN6w

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/7/11/media-center-mens-basketball-committee-approves-single-site-for-2026-divisions-i-ii-and-iii-championships-and-nit-adopts-new-metrics-for-team-sheets

2026 will have the D1 Final Four, D2 and D3 championships, and NIT Final Four all in Indy on the same weekend . D1 will be at Lucas Oil Stadium (home of the Colts), D2 and D3 will be at Gainbridge Fieldhouse (home of the Pacers) on Sunday April 5th, and NIT will be at Hinkle Fieldhouse (home of Butler Bulldogs)

[OUVan59]

Will be interesting to see how this plays out since it pushes the championship game back a couple of weeks.

[Greek Tragedy]

I'm guessing the poll will be out in about two weeks. It was October 26 last year.

[Titan Q]

My preseason ballot.

https://x.com/IWUhoopscom/status/1847263163936354395

[Greek Tragedy]

https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2024-25/preseason

[nescac1]

Nice job by the voters this year!

https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2024-25/preseason

I think the top five looks rock solid, and I'm high on CNU to exceed even its high number five ranking with nearly everyone back from a very young team plus a potential impact transfer inside. One through seven feel like legit national title contenders, after that, feels like a crapshoot. 

Teams that seem a smidge high: Emory, yeah they don't lose much at all, but they were only 15-10 last year and are getting a LOT of benefit of the doubt; IWU, which always seems to get a name reputation boost but seems like a borderline top 25 team at best after losing two of the top four guys from a team that didn't do much to earn an exalted ranking last year; Calvin, which brings back a lot but Overway was the guy who made everything work last year and is simply irreplaceable; and St. John's (MN). 

Teams that seem a bit too low: Keene State, which seems stacked for a big year despite the loss of Hunter with a hugely impactful transfer class; Stevens Point, SOMEONE else from WIAC will be a top 25 team I suspect and they seem like the best bet; Gettysburg, seems like the class of the Centennial by far this year; Clark/Babson, one of these teams will be in the top 25 though not quite sure which; Virginia Wesleyan, which I think brings back a lot; and Carthage, not sure why they are ranked so far behind IWU, or really, ranked behind them at all. 

The three ranked NESCAC teams all seem ... about right.  Williams to me could be anywhere from the 15th best team in the country to the 50th this year, 25th if anything might be a bit high to start the year, though I think the team will finish the season better than it starts, much like last year.  Wesleyan I think will end up as a top 25 team this year, but has to earn it after underperforming its talent level last year.  Still, with everyone back I'm high on their potential. 

Hampden Sydney, Case Western, NYU, and Guilford all seem like the biggest boom-bust teams, since all lose a TON but also bring in a ton in the transfer portal -- so, who the heck knows?  Any of them could end up being really good especially Guilford which brings in some serious talent.   

[Titan Q]

Some recent Q-casts:

Sean Westerlund (Bryn Athyn):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weJFNIfELAw&t=29s


B.J. Dunne (Gettysburg):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkCeaKJ_LMU&t=2050s


Tyler Simms (Clark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nalEAaC-zaY&t=130s


Bill Sall (Calvin):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB_d8aEHyaI&t=6s

[Darryl Nester]

A trial run of HTF for the new season.

I was not sure when the first in-season poll comes out; I ran this out to December 1.

I left off teams #42-#59 because the full table exceeded the character limit. When I post the final report (before the next poll), I will include everyone.

You can also find a copy of this report at homepages.bluffton.edu/~nesterd/htf.html. (That address should always have the most recent posted report, provided I remember to update it.)

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	597	Trine	4-0	def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 98-70; def. Wabash, 78-68; won at Baldwin Wallace, 78-49; def. Anderson, 89-84; 11/23 vs. Elmhurst; 11/30 at Ohio Wesleyan; 12/01 at Capital
#2	589	UW-Platteville	2-1	def. (n) #9 Calvin, 82-81; LOST at #16 Illinois Wesleyan, 66-86; def. T#49 Carthage, 85-72; 11/23 vs. North Central (Ill.); 11/26 vs. Augustana; 11/30 vs. T#56 Heidelberg; 12/01 vs. T#49 Gustavus Adolphus
#3	540	John Carroll	3-0	def. (n) Albertus Magnus, 108-90; won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 68-49; def. Brockport, 85-69; 11/22 vs. T#49 Johns Hopkins; 11/23 vs. #8 Emory
#4	517	Washington U.	3-0	def. Rhodes, 75-53; def. Rose-Hulman, 84-59; won at Webster, 92-66; 11/23 at Carroll; 11/30 vs. Colorado College; 12/01 at Rhodes
#5	502	Christopher Newport	4-1	def. (n) Greensboro, 78-61; won at N.C. Wesleyan, 85-77; won at Virginia Wesleyan, 74-72 OT; def. Wilson, 86-69; LOST to #23 Hampden-Sydney, 71-74; 11/23 vs. Kean; 11/25 at Averett; 11/30 vs. Transylvania; 12/01 vs. TBA
#6	462	Trinity (Conn.)	3-0	def. (n) Albertus Magnus, 81-59; def. (n) Husson, 77-62; won at Hartford, 79-54; 11/23 vs. Elms; 11/26 at Western New England; 12/01 vs. Yeshiva
#7	337	Randolph-Macon	2-2	def. (n) Salisbury, 79-66; LOST at Hood, 72-81; LOST at #23 Hampden-Sydney, 77-84; won at Mary Washington, 58-55
#8	333	Emory	2-0	def. Berry, 91-71; def. #17 Guilford, 75-61; 11/22 at #9 Calvin; 11/23 vs. #3 John Carroll; 11/26 vs. Piedmont
#9	332	Calvin	0-4	LOST to (n) #2 UW-Platteville, 81-82; LOST to (n) #24 Cal Lutheran, 71-81; LOST to (n) UW-Oshkosh, 67-75; LOST at T#56 Heidelberg, 78-85; 11/22 vs. #8 Emory; 11/23 vs. #12 St. John's
#10	314	Keene State	1-0	won at Western New England, 83-78; 11/23 vs. Thomas; 11/24 at #25 Williams; 11/30 vs. MIT
#11	294	Trinity (Texas)	2-0	def. (n) T#40 Bethany Lutheran, 99-82; def. (n) Pacific, 82-81 OT; 11/23 vs. UW-Superior; 11/29 vs. #32 Pomona-Pitzer; 11/30 at #27 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
#12	293	St. John's	3-0	def. UW-Oshkosh, 73-62; won at Central, 78-60; won at Simpson, 75-52; 11/22 vs. #21 Hope; 11/23 at #9 Calvin; 11/27 vs. T#56 UW-La Crosse
#13	292	Tufts	3-0	won at Bridgewater State, 94-72; won at Emerson, 80-57; won at Suffolk, 76-57; 11/23 vs. Endicott; 11/26 vs. MIT; 11/30 vs. T#45 WPI
#14	268	Nebraska Wesleyan	2-2	LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 64-68; def. (n) T#56 UW-La Crosse, 82-73; def. (n) Franklin, 65-62; LOST at T#33 Illinois College, 57-66; 11/24 vs. Colorado College; 11/29 vs. Northwestern (Minn.); 11/30 vs. Concordia-Moorhead
#15	261	Wisconsin Lutheran	4-0	def. Elmhurst, 84-74; def. North Park, 114-81; won at Wheaton (Ill.), 81-66; won at Lawrence, 92-67; 11/23 at Benedictine; 11/26 at Concordia (Wis.)
#16	233	Illinois Wesleyan	3-0	def. #24 Cal Lutheran, 93-81; def. #2 UW-Platteville, 86-66; won at UW-Stout, 69-57; 11/22 vs. Westminster (Mo.); 11/23 at Webster; 11/27 at Chicago
#17	216	Guilford	3-1	won at Pfeiffer, 85-72; def. N.C. Wesleyan, 87-59; LOST at #8 Emory, 61-75; def. (n) Greensboro, 59-58; 11/26 vs. William Peace
#18	187	Carnegie Mellon	3-1	def. La Roche, 66-64; won at Chatham, 88-66; LOST at Denison, 78-79; def. Penn State-Behrend, 84-62; 11/23 at Earlham; 11/24 vs. Hanover
#19	183	Mount Union	2-1	LOST to Yeshiva, 81-86; won at Alfred State, 100-63; def. Brockport, 100-71; 11/22 vs. Bluffton; 11/23 vs. TBA
#20	162	Maryville (Tenn.)	3-2	LOST to Averett, 79-85; def. Sewanee, 79-77; LOST to (n) Mary Washington, 58-84; def. (n) UW-Eau Claire, 68-64; def. Berry, 82-77; 11/22 vs. T#38 Gettysburg; 11/23 vs. TBA; 11/26 at Berea
#21	152	Hope	2-1	LOST to Anderson, 78-80; won at Wilmington, 74-64; won at Wittenberg, 68-63; 11/22 vs. #12 St. John's; 11/23 vs. Marietta; 11/26 at Wheaton (Ill.)
#22	122	New York University	3-0	def. T#54 Babson, 86-74; def. T#38 Rowan, 102-78; won at Kean, 76-58; 11/23 at York (N.Y.); 11/26 at Farmingdale State
#23	118	Hampden-Sydney	3-0	won at T#33 Swarthmore, 81-64; def. #7 Randolph-Macon, 84-77; won at #5 Christopher Newport, 74-71; 11/22 vs. Pfeiffer; 11/23 vs. TBA
#24	92	Cal Lutheran	1-2	LOST at #16 Illinois Wesleyan, 81-93; def. (n) #9 Calvin, 81-71; LOST to T#43 Whitworth, 76-81; 11/30 vs. UC Santa Cruz
#25	91	Williams	2-0	won at SUNY Delhi, 62-49; won at SUNY Oneonta, 74-69; 11/23 vs. Castleton; 11/24 vs. #10 Keene State; 11/26 at Massachusetts College; 12/01 vs. Rhode Island College

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	62	TCNJ	4-0	def. (n) Centenary (N.J.), 92-62; def. (n) T#40 Drew, 103-102 OT; def. Baruch, 86-84; def. Connecticut College, 82-65; 11/23 at Ursinus; 11/26 at William Paterson
#27	60	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	2-1	def. Linfield, 92-64; won at Pacific Lutheran, 64-60; LOST at Puget Sound, 64-72; 11/22 at UC Santa Cruz; 11/23 vs. Whitman; 11/26 vs. La Verne; 11/29 vs. Southwestern; 11/30 vs. #11 Trinity (Texas)
#28	56	Loras	3-1	def. St. Scholastica, 104-71; def. Olivet, 84-76; def. Northland, 111-57; LOST at North Park, 64-73; 11/26 vs. T#30 Coe
#29	55	Case Western Reserve	3-2	def. Penn State-Altoona, 99-72; def. Brockport, 101-99 2OT; def. La Roche, 84-74; LOST at Houghton, 75-80; LOST at Bethany, 93-105
T#30	37	UW-Stevens Point	3-0	won at Lakeland, 91-59; def. MSOE, 72-47; won at Edgewood, 71-56; 11/22 at North Central (Minn.); 11/26 vs. Northland; 12/01 vs. St. Olaf
T#30	37	Coe	1-2	won at Cornell, 90-78; LOST at Augustana, 70-82; LOST to Cornell, 71-74; 11/23 at T#43 UW-Whitewater; 11/26 at #28 Loras; 11/30 at Edgewood
#32	32	Pomona-Pitzer	3-1	def. Nobel University, 85-43; won at UC Santa Cruz, 101-95 OT; LOST to (n) Lewis and Clark, 44-55; def. La Sierra, 95-59; 11/29 vs. #11 Trinity (Texas); 11/30 at Southwestern
T#33	29	Illinois College	5-0	won at Webster, 70-60; won at Blackburn, 76-58; def. Concordia (Wis.), 81-79; def. #14 Nebraska Wesleyan, 66-57; def. Millikin, 65-53; 11/23 vs. MSOE
T#33	29	Swarthmore	2-2	LOST to #23 Hampden-Sydney, 64-81; LOST at Albright, 59-64; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 82-65; def. T#56 Stockton, 73-63; 11/23 vs. Rutgers-Camden; 11/26 at #35 Widener
#35	25	Widener	1-3	LOST at Ursinus, 85-90; LOST to Hamilton, 54-81; LOST to T#49 Catholic, 67-79; won at Neumann, 87-73; 11/26 vs. T#33 Swarthmore
#36	21	Oswego	3-1	def. (n) Muhlenberg, 79-65; def. (n) Muskingum, 79-67; LOST at St. Lawrence, 44-45; won at Brockport, 78-72; 11/26 at Nazareth
#37	20	Hardin-Simmons	2-3	won at Texas Lutheran, 87-76; LOST at Schreiner, 66-80; won at McMurry, 81-79 OT; LOST to St. Thomas (Texas), 55-62; LOST to Concordia (Texas), 92-94
T#38	19	Gettysburg	5-0	def. Arcadia, 70-56; def. Ohio Northern, 59-57; won at Mount Aloysius, 96-78; def. York (Pa.), 67-65 OT; won at Bryn Athyn, 77-72 OT; 11/22 vs. #20 Maryville (Tenn.); 11/23 vs. TBA
T#38	19	Rowan	1-2	LOST to (n) Ithaca, 92-93; LOST at #22 New York University, 78-102; def. Eastern, 79-61; 11/26 vs. Montclair State
T#40	18	Bethany Lutheran	1-3	LOST to (n) #11 Trinity (Texas), 82-99; LOST at Colorado College, 75-86; won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 95-94 OT; LOST at Carleton, 76-78; 11/23 vs. St. Scholastica
T#40	18	Drew	3-2	won at FDU-Florham, 100-70; LOST to (n) #26 TCNJ, 102-103 OT; LOST at Farmingdale State, 72-74; def. York (N.Y.), 115-65; won at Moravian, 82-75; 11/23 vs. Goucher