Top 25 talk

[Mr. Ypsi]

Well Potsdam is 5-0 after a 24 point win yesterday. Any thoughts on this weeks top 25 more specifically if Potsdam will be included. Also,I agree with the fact that the East region is generally a weak region but with any team getting (UofR) getting to the finals last year, they deserve a little credit.
As regards to the Potsdam UofR game it was a 2 point game with 3:30 to go and if Potsdam could have bought a shot who knows what the outcome would have been. Overall I think Potsdam deserves a little credit and at least a top 25 ranking. Any thoughts?

I'm not a voter in the poll, but I love trying to psych it out, so here goes:

Jumping all the way from just 14 points to into the top 25 is unusual, but early-season polls are much more volatile than later ones.  I'll take a stab that Potsdam WILL enter (though only at 24 or 25), and that Rochester will fall to the 20s (not sure whether low 20s and still in, or high 20s and not quite in).

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Here is comes; let's see if I can get this up before the poll actually comes out.

1.   IWU (5-0) wins over St. Xavier (non-d3) and a close one at Chicago
2.   Woo (6-0, 2-0) wins at Denison and at Earlham (OT)
3.   Witt (5-0, 1-0) win over Denison
4.   Amherst (4-0) wins over Springfield and Westfield State
5.   Puget Sound (4-1, 2-0) wins at Lewis & Clark and Pacific
6.   York (4-0, 1-0) win over Goucher
7.   Oshkosh (2-2, 1-1) loss at Stevens Point, win at Superior
8.   Hanover (4-2) loss at #22 Elmhurst
9.   Albion (4-1) win over Manchester
10. WPI (7-0) wins at Lasell, Williams and against RIT
11. RMC (5-1, 3-0) loss at Lincoln, wins at Lynchburg, Wash & Lee, and Roanoke
12. Rochester (5-2, 0-1) win at St Lawrence, loss to Carnegie Mellon
13. GAC (5-0, 2-0) wins over Bethany Lutheran, Hamline and Concordia-Moorhead
14. Hope (6-0) wins over Wheaton (IL) and Carthage
15. Lawrence (5-0, 2-0) wins at Wisc Lutheran, Ill College and Knox
16. Mississippi College (5-1, 3-1) wins over Howard Payne and at Concordia-Austin, loss at MH-B
17. St. John Fisher (2-1) idle
18. Wartburg (4-1, 1-0) win over Luther
19. Catholic (5-1, 1-1) loss at Mary Washington, win over Marymount
20. Whitewater (3-2, 1-0) loss at Carroll, win at LaCrosse
21. JCU (4-1, 1-0) win over Wilmington
22. Elmhurst (3-2) loss at Platteville, win over #8 Hanover
23. Va Wesleyan (4-3, 2-1) losses at Salisbury and to Hampden-Sydney, wins at Roanoke and Wash & Lee
24. Ramapo (4-1, 2-1) wins over Kean and at Rutgers-Camden
25. Augustana (4-0) wins over St Ambrose (non-d3) and Simpson

This looks to be one of those years where the majority of the top 25 just never seems to work itself out.

[Knightstalker]

Boy, I hate it when somebody takes the other side in an argument and compliments my alma mater in the same breath. What's a guy to do? 

Perhaps we can talk to the Chicago Transit Authority to make the southern terminus of the Brown Line extend to Pineville, LA.  There is no "el" in Pineville, LA.

No-el, No-el, No-el, No-el...'tis the season.

I think Ralph was working on a new Egg Nog recipe.     

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I expect to see Lincoln, Hamden-Sydney and Albright get in, although there could be a lot of mix-up as voters try to make sense out of all these teams beating each other up.

[njlincolnlion]

Hoops Fan:

I have to believe, Lincoln will be ranked highter that RM-C, given the margin of victory the Lions had over the Yellow Jackets.  Albright beat Lincoln by 1 on a buzzer beater, and they are still undefeated, so I would not be shocked to see them ahead of us.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Albright seems to be a lock to get in and I would assume Lincoln is next, but after that its hard to tell because I don't know if there will be more than two teams drop out. 

It's too early in the season to know whether the voters will just adjust things based on wins and losses or if it is early enough that a lot of them will do major shifting.

I just don't know.

[John Gleich]

Anyone have any thoughts about UWSP breaking BACK into the top 25?  They have only one loss, a road loss to Lakeland, who in turn has only one loss, to La Crosse, who in turn only has one loss, to Whitewater (who, as we know, has fallen twice early in the year).

Now, UWSP has their win over Oshkosh... but those with votes may think much less of Oshkosh after their two early season losses.

Whadda ya think?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I think this week is more of a case of teams not falling out, rather than teams working their way in.

[Spencer Beaty]

6-0 and no love Murvul College has beaten everyone they have played and will play but they get no love cause they are in a no good conference. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Albright seems to be a lock to get in and I would assume Lincoln is next, but after that its hard to tell because I don't know if there will be more than two teams drop out. 

It's too early in the season to know whether the voters will just adjust things based on wins and losses or if it is early enough that a lot of them will do major shifting.

I just don't know.

My gut hunch is that we are in for several more weeks of unusual volatility (at least WITHIN the top 25; how many enter or leave may be no more than usual) - this is shaping up as a "who the hell knows" sort of season, though you are probably right about only two dropping out.  Va Wesleyan is definitely gone, Whitewater is dubious, but Elmhurst is PROBABLY mostly unchanged with a loss AT a former top 25 team, then a win over #8.

I'm guessing Lincoln is definitely in, Potsdam is likely; beyond that, I have no clue.

[Greek Tragedy]

PS,

I don't see Point getting in. They only have 4 votes, a big drop from the preseason, 59 or so?  That loss was to an LMC team.  Lakeland looked good and yeah, they only have one loss to La Crosse, but Point won't crack the top 25.  I think if they were undefeated, they would've cracked it last week since they were 26th in the preseason poll.  Oshkosh was a big win considering they were #7, and I think if they sweep this week, they'll be in next week.  But, one game at a time.  Whitewater is usually pretty tough at home and that La Crosse team is looking solid thus far.

[Greek Tragedy]

6-0 and no love Murvul College has beaten everyone they have played and will play but they get no love cause they are in a no good conference. 

I think there are something like 30 undefeated teams left.  Are we supposed to rank all of them simply because they've beaten eeryone they've played. Come on.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

1     Illinois Wesleyan (25)     5-0     625     1
2    Wooster    6-0    588    2
3    Wittenberg    5-0    567    3
4    Amherst    4-0    517    4
5    Puget Sound    4-1    516    5
6    York (Pa.)    4-0    489    6
7    Albion    4-1    410    9
8    Hope    6-0    390    14
9    Lawrence    5-0    379    15
10    Worcester Polytech    7-0    375    10
11    Gustavus Adolphus    5-0    333    13
12    Randolph-Macon    5-1    257    11
13    Hanover    4-2    234    8
14    UW-Oshkosh    2-2    228    7
15    Wartburg    4-1    217    18
16    Rochester    5-2    177    12
17    Augustana    4-0    169    25
18    St. John Fisher    2-1    168    17
19    Albright    5-0    140    —
20    Elmhurst    3-2    131    22
21    Baldwin-Wallace    5-1    127    —
22    UW-Stout    5-1    118    —
23    Lincoln    7-1    115    —
24    Hampden-Sydney    5-0    110    —
25    Ramapo    4-1    108    24

Dropped out: No. 16 Mississippi College, No. 19 Catholic, No. 20 UW-Whitewater, No. 21 John Carroll, No. 23 Virginia Wesleyan

Others receiving votes: John Carroll 97, Maryville (Tenn.) 96, Catholic 86, Carnegie Mellon 79, Mississippi College 64, UW-Stevens Point 60, Ohio Northern 47, Transylvania 22, Potsdam State 19, Trinity (Texas) 15, Carroll 15, Widener 12, Rutgers-Newark 7, UW-Whitewater 4, St. Thomas 4, Mary Washington 4, Calvin 3, Hamilton 2, New Jersey City 1.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Murvul did get some love.  They'll be in soon enough.

[njlincolnlion]

I know it's only the second week, but it's great to see Lincoln in the top 25  .  Thanks to all the voters, and I hope the Lions continue, the momentum.

Is there any way to find out what games were cancelled last night?  Lincoln was suppose to play Richard Stockton at home, but I didn't see the game referenced in the "scoreboard".