Top 25 talk

[ILive4This]

I sure hope they do. I am going to inquire as to the possibility of putting the stream on a projection screen somewhere at Brandeis, which may help reduce the number of streamers by high double digits or even triple digits.

[LogShow]

I believe this new poll means we get a #1 vs #2 game next Sunday.  Cool  8)

Indeed, although they were 1/2 in the old poll, too.

I've inquired and U of R is attempting to add capacity to its video stream to handle the demand.

Thanks for working on that Pat...thats a game I would like to see!

[smedindy]

Margin of victory isn't that relevant, based on circumstances of each individual game.

Also, UM-D is no longer a 'bum' team so that loss looks better and better all of the time.

If they beat every team by 4 points or less, the body of work shows that they won.

And as Herm Edwards said, "You play to win the game!"

[ILive4This]

You are right, there is the argument for UMD to be ahead of Brandeis, but if the Judges beat Rochester and CMU this weekend, then I am almost positive the strength of schedule and all other indexes would be better.

It is a known fact in this world of college hoops you climb your way up the rankings so a number 20 beats a number 3, the number 20 does not automatically become number 3. However if 1 beats 2 at 1's home court, they will become number 1, it really does not matter so much what has happened before.

[sac]

Against the same 2 teams last season Hope won by 29 and 36, this year 15 and 7, yet I feel much better about the wins this year because they were more difficult to achieve.

Sometimes winning close games says more about your team than winning by 20 every night.

[bouttime]

Even if Brandeis beats Rochester this Sunday, I do not think they should get the number 1 ranking.   If you compare Rochester and Brandeis's schedule you can see how many close games Brandeis had to teams they should have blown out.  They lost to Umass Dartmouth who at the time was considered a bum team, they hardly beat elms, they beat Framingham state by 4, and they beat Bridgewater state by 5.  Their only "real" test this year so far was Amherst in which they won (which is a HUGE win... but still).  Rochester on the other beat Nazareth twice, beat Carnegie Mellon by double digit numbers, and beat Brockport state.  Their schedule thus far has been harder and their victory margins have been better than Brandeis.  If both Rochester and Brandeis has one loss, I think Rochester should keep the #1 ranking.  If you are going to give it to Brandeis, you might as well give it to Umass Dartmouth should they stay undefeated that long.

I'm not following the logic here. Forget all the margin of victory and strength of schedule stuff. If the #2 team in the country beats the #1 team, there is no reason that they shouldn't take over the #1 spot.

[David Collinge]

Even if Brandeis beats Rochester this Sunday, I do not think they should get the number 1 ranking.   If you compare Rochester and Brandeis's schedule you can see how many close games Brandeis had to teams they should have blown out.  They lost to Umass Dartmouth who at the time was considered a bum team, they hardly beat elms, they beat Framingham state by 4, and they beat Bridgewater state by 5.  Their only "real" test this year so far was Amherst in which they won (which is a HUGE win... but still).  Rochester on the other beat Nazareth twice, beat Carnegie Mellon by double digit numbers, and beat Brockport state.  Their schedule thus far has been harder and their victory margins have been better than Brandeis.  If both Rochester and Brandeis has one loss, I think Rochester should keep the #1 ranking.  If you are going to give it to Brandeis, you might as well give it to Umass Dartmouth should they stay undefeated that long.

I'm not following the logic here. Forget all the margin of victory and strength of schedule stuff. If the #2 team in the country beats the #1 team, there is no reason that they shouldn't take over the #1 spot.

Unless, of course, the #24 beats the #2 team two days earlier...

[Pat Coleman]

Even if Brandeis beats Rochester this Sunday, I do not think they should get the number 1 ranking.   If you compare Rochester and Brandeis's schedule you can see how many close games Brandeis had to teams they should have blown out.  They lost to Umass Dartmouth who at the time was considered a bum team, they hardly beat elms, they beat Framingham state by 4, and they beat Bridgewater state by 5.  Their only "real" test this year so far was Amherst in which they won (which is a HUGE win... but still).  Rochester on the other beat Nazareth twice, beat Carnegie Mellon by double digit numbers, and beat Brockport state.  Their schedule thus far has been harder and their victory margins have been better than Brandeis.  If both Rochester and Brandeis has one loss, I think Rochester should keep the #1 ranking.  If you are going to give it to Brandeis, you might as well give it to Umass Dartmouth should they stay undefeated that long.

I'm not following the logic here. Forget all the margin of victory and strength of schedule stuff. If the #2 team in the country beats the #1 team, there is no reason that they shouldn't take over the #1 spot.

Especially if it's on No. 1's home floor. If No. 2 is at home and it's a tight game I would expect a split decision.

[scottiedawg]

Top Vote Getting Movers

+8 UW Platteville
+6 Centre
+6 Carnegie Mellon
+5 UW Whitewater
+5 Mass Dartmouth
+5 DeSales
+4 Plattsburgh St.
+4 Milsaps
+4 Defiance
-5 Wheaton
-5 Virginia Wesleyan
-6 Guilford
-6 Occidental
-6 Nazareth
-9 St. Thomas
-11 Salem State
-11 Lewis & Clark

This ignores teams that went from zero votes to some votes (Randolph Macon, Ursinus, Bowdoin, Middlebury, Aurora), and those that went from some votes to zero votes (Trinity Conn, Emerson, Brockport St, Rowan, Coast Guard, Wilimington, Geneseo State).

[Mr. Ypsi]

Most, if not all, of the teams you mentioned received votes, they just didn't crack the top 25.

[Greek Tragedy]

Here are the rankings by conference.

RNK	TEAM	CONFERENCE
#4	Mary Hardin-Baylor	ASC
#18	Wheaton (IL)	CCIW
#12	Elmhurst	CCIW
#9	Augustana	CCIW
#15	Stevens	E8
#14	Mass-Dartmouth	LEC
#6	Hope	MIAA
#19	Wooster	NCAC
#8	Williams	NESCAC
#3	Amherst	NESCAC
#7	Puget Sound	NWC
#13	Capital	OAC
#22	Virginia Wesleyan	ODAC
#25	Randolph-Macon	ODAC
#17	Guilford	ODAC
#23	Millsaps	SCAC
#20	Centre	SCAC
#21	Plattsburgh State	SUNYAC
#5	Washington U	UAA
#1	Rochester	UAA
#24	Carnegie Mellon	UAA
#2	Brandeis	UAA
#10	UW-Whitewater	WIAC
#11	UW-Stevens Point	WIAC
#16	UW-Oshkosh	WIAC

The SCIAC (Oxy and Cal. Lutheran), MIAC (St. Thomas) and another NWC team (Lewis & Clark) just dropped out.

A 4th WIAC team (Platteville) comes in at #26, followed by the aforementioned Oxy and Cal. Lutheran.  A 4th ODAC team (Roanoke) and Widener (MACC) also getting votes.

[bouttime]

Even if Brandeis beats Rochester this Sunday, I do not think they should get the number 1 ranking.   If you compare Rochester and Brandeis's schedule you can see how many close games Brandeis had to teams they should have blown out.  They lost to Umass Dartmouth who at the time was considered a bum team, they hardly beat elms, they beat Framingham state by 4, and they beat Bridgewater state by 5.  Their only "real" test this year so far was Amherst in which they won (which is a HUGE win... but still).  Rochester on the other beat Nazareth twice, beat Carnegie Mellon by double digit numbers, and beat Brockport state.  Their schedule thus far has been harder and their victory margins have been better than Brandeis.  If both Rochester and Brandeis has one loss, I think Rochester should keep the #1 ranking.  If you are going to give it to Brandeis, you might as well give it to Umass Dartmouth should they stay undefeated that long.

I'm not following the logic here. Forget all the margin of victory and strength of schedule stuff. If the #2 team in the country beats the #1 team, there is no reason that they shouldn't take over the #1 spot.

Unless, of course, the #24 beats the #2 team two days earlier...

I can only hope that this is the case.

[Pat Coleman]

Amherst/Elms a three-point game with four minutes left:

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/

[scottiedawg]

Most, if not all, of the teams you mentioned received votes, they just didn't crack the top 25.

And I aptly titled the post "Top Vote Getting Movers."  Perhaps the "Top 25 Talk" board is not the perfectly appropriate board, but it is the most appropriate.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I was referring to the teams that you labelled as moving from some votes to zero votes - they all were still receiving votes.