Top 25 talk

[fpc85]

I think they'll get serious consideration. But the other two teams beat Brandeis, where Amherst did not, including a team that beat Brandeis on the road, where Amherst played them.

makes sense...the jeffs have really improved in the last week but i think wash u. deserves it...they got it done on the road..quality stuff.

[David Collinge]

HOW THEY FARED (week of Jan. 21-27) (COMPLETE)       
      
#   1   Rochester (15-1) lost at Emory 81-76 (OT) and won at Case Western Reserve 85-74
#   2   Brandeis (12-4) lost to Chicago 79-77 and lost #4 Washington U. 71-69
#   3   Amherst (16-2) won at So. Vermont 113-87, won at Middlebury 83-66, and won at #10 Williams 86-70
#   4   Washington U. (14-2) won at NYU 57-50 and won at #2 Brandeis 71-69
#   5   Hope (14-2) won at Alma 81-55 and won at Calvin 79-76
#   6   UW-Whitewater (14-3) lost to UW-Platteville 79-73 and won at UW-Superior 86-55
#   7   UW-Stevens Point (14-4) def. UW-Eau Claire 57-44 and lost at #20 UW-Oshkosh 73-61
#   8   Mass.-Dartmouth (17-0) won at Rhode Island Coll. 77-70 and def. Western Conn. 72-67
#   9   Capital (15-2) def. Marietta 79-53 and won at Baldwin-Wallace 77-71
#   10   Williams (15-3) def. Trinity (CT) 65-48 and lost to #3 Amherst 86-70
#   11   Puget Sound (14-2) won at Lewis & Clark 92-87 (OT) and won at Willamette 90-75
#   12   Augustana (13-4) def. Millikin 71-63 and def. North Central (IL) 70-60
#   13   Elmhurst (13-4) won at North Park 66-39 and lost to #22 Wheaton (IL) 79-75 (OT)
#   14   Centre (15-1) def. #18 Millsaps 90-80 (OT) and def. Hendrix 69-59
#   15   Mary Hardin-Baylor (13-3) def. Howard Payne 86-65 and def. Sul Ross St. 88-76
#   16   Virginia Wesleyan (13-3) def. Eastern Mennonite 97-92 and def. #19 Randolph-Macon 56-38
#   17   Plattsburgh St. (14-2) def. Geneseo St. 66-44 and def. Brockport St. 81-78 (OT)
#   18   Millsaps (14-3) lost at #14 Centre 90-80 (OT) and lost at DePauw 90-83
#   19   Randolph-Macon (14-3) def. Bridgewater (VA) 70-55 and lost at #16 Virginia Wesleyan 56-38
#   20   UW-Oshkosh (13-5) lost at Lawrence 81-78 and def. #7 UW-Stevens Point 73-61
#   21   Stevens (14-2) def. Drew 77-64 and won at Elmira 50-46
#   22   Wheaton (IL) (13-4) lost at Illinois Wesleyan 63-60 and won at #13 Elmhurst 79-75 (OT)
#   23   Wooster (14-3) def. Denison 97-57 and def. Earlham 89-68
#   24   Roanoke (13-3) lost at Guilford 92-56, won at Hampden-Sydney 67-65, and def. Lynchburg 90-64
#   25   Elizabethtown (14-2) lost at Lycoming 79-78 (OT) and def. Messiah 84-68

[Marty Peretz]

My Top 5:
Wash.U.
Amherst
Hope
Rochester
UMass Dartmouth

[golden_dome]

Just an update to keep Mississippi College on the Top 25 radar. The Choctaws are 13-3 having won their last six in a row. MC has had a unique season with Coach Jones out a couple months after open heart surgery and some early losses, but things have gotten more back to normal. After allowing a nation-best 56 points per game last year, the Choctaws were allowing almost 70 through the first ten games. During their six-game winning streak, MC has outscored opponents 20 per game and is allowing just 56 points per game.

[smedindy]

Honestly, I do not get how UMD is hardly ever brought up in the talk about the number 1 spot. You can say whatever you want about their schedule. Any team they play are capable of beating them every night and that's all you can ask for. All these other teams have lost already and that being said UMD deserves a legit shot at the number 1 spot and respect from everyone else. You play to win the game and a loss is a loss, bringing up the fact that these other teams have lost on the road and whatever else is said are excuses. Especially since if they lose 1 game they will be penalized worse than any of these other teams who already have lost and most lost more than once. I really just don't get how people continue to look over them, just my opinion.

Even though they are undefeated - many think that Rochester, Amherst and Hope are better, along with UW - Wherever.

[scottiedawg]

Could we have a "How They Fared" for 26-30?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I can understand why people think that rochester, washu, hope, and uw-whatever could be better than UMD. BUT, I seriously do not understand how anyone could think that Brandeis is better than UMD.  Brandeis has 4 losses.  At this rate, they won't even make the ncaa tourny.

That is a leap of faith that says Brandeis doesn't make the tournament with their record right now.
How about we wait until Regional Rankings and other far more important information comes out before taking that leap!

[pabegg]

I can understand why people think that rochester, washu, hope, and uw-whatever could be better than UMD. BUT, I seriously do not understand how anyone could think that Brandeis is better than UMD.  Brandeis has 4 losses.  At this rate, they won't even make the ncaa tourny.

That is a leap of faith that says Brandeis doesn't make the tournament with their record right now.
How about we wait until Regional Rankings and other far more important information comes out before taking that leap!

By my estimates of the Regional Rankings, Brandeis is 6th in the NE (after UMD, Amherst, Trinity, Middlebury, and Bowdoin) and would have the 11th Pool C bid. So at the moment, Brandeis would be in.

[Marty Peretz]

Brandeis had a tough weekend. Big deal. They are still a very, very good basketball team and they will recover. Three of their losses were to top 5-caliber teams and they have a win over a probably top 2 team. They lost to Rochester by 6 on the road and to UMD in OT, if I'm not mistaken. Their loss to Wash.U. was at home, but they easily could have won and lost by only two.  The team's only bad loss was the home Chicago loss and U of C is proving that they may be a whole lot better than some people thought. They're 4-1 in the UAA, with two of those wins coming on the road. For what it's worth, I'm fairly confident that Deis is the best four-loss team in the country and in my opinion they are still a top ten caliber team even with their losses.

As for the D3 scene in general, has anyone ever seen this much parity nation-wide? The only undefeated team remaining is a traditional non-player on the national level and I think that's great. If asked to pick a final four today, I'd be incredibly hard pressed to come up with an answer...and this from a guy who was a perfect 4-4 last season...of course, that was when the bracket had already been released...

[magicman]

Hey chubbyboybaby

Apparently I'm not the only person on this board and on the pollsters poll who thinks UMass-Dartmouth ranks no higher than #5. You shouldn't come on these boards and throw insults around just because someone disagrees with you. I wasn't trying to diss your team when I said I wish we could play them in the 1st round. Just think UR is better and we had them in the 1st round last year. As Pat C. mentioned earlier about OOWP and possibly working up those stats, I don't think UMD will look very good in that category. That's what I based my opinion on after looking at UMD's OOWP last night before I posted my remarks.     

[smedindy]

Brandeis probably will be in. Still a lot of season left and four losses is a lot better than most teams anyway!

[Ralph Turner]

Brandeis probably will be in. Still a lot of season left and four losses is a lot better than most teams anyway!

Deis' OOWP will be very good because of the way that the UAA can get good schedules in their respective local areas that give good OWP's.

This is the first season for the OWP/OOWP, but I project that it helps the UAA the most of any conference.

[theBroadcaster]

Brandeis has 4 losses.  At this rate, they won't even make the ncaa tourny.

Brandeis probably will be in. Still a lot of season left and four losses is a lot better than most teams anyway!

I know that Brandeis had an awful weekend, but I don't understand how whether or not they are a tournament team at this point could even be in question.  Yes they have lost 4 games already, but look at the teams they lost to.  Rochester and WashU were both #1 at one point this year, and UMD could be #1 this week.  Losing to Chicago at home is inexcusable.  Regardless though, take a look at the teams on the poll on the front page, Brandeis has played 4 of those 5!  Yes, they're 1-3 in those 4 games, but I don't see how you can just say that since they have 4 losses already their stock should be in question.  Their strength of schedule has been ridiculously high, and will only continue to get tougher in the UAA.  Now though if the way Brandeis played this weekend continues.....well then thats a whole other story...........

[LogShow]

And thats why there is a second round of league games...so the best teams can rise to the top.  The tourney worthy teams will prove they belong by continuing to win games

[smedindy]

And thats why there is a second round of league games...so the best teams can rise to the top.  The tourney worthy teams will prove they belong by continuing to win games

Well, for MOST conferences anyway....