Top 25 talk

[Hugenerd]

So 12 of the top 25 lose (3 teams twice) and 23 of the 34 ORV teams (including 6 of them twice and 2 of them three times).  Not placing value on any of the losses, but the 11 ORV teams that didn't lose could skip into the top 25, though it isn't likely that all of the teams that lost will drop out completely.  Are there any teams not on the top 25 radar that could jump in to the top 25 after the first couple of weekends?

The only way, one would think, that a team would jump from not receiving any votes to top 25 would be a big time upset.  Of the teams that upset teams ranked in the top 12, only Austin (who uspet UT-Dallas) remains undefeated at the end of the week (all of the other teams had losses prior to or after their upset win).  I dont think anyone will jump that high in this weeks rankings.

I think the biggest jump will likely be Carthage from #55 into the top 20, they lost #13 Whitewater by 1, but beat #17 Platteville and #28 Transylvania.

In my biased opinion, I hope MIT picks up some votes as they get 3 wins and a bunch of NE teams ahead of them lost.  They were previously tied with Carthage in the poll, but there is no way they pickup as many votes as Carthage. With all the losses in the top 10, Whitewater will likely be a top 7 or 8 team, so you can make an argument for Carthage as high as top 10 or 15 (if you wanted to, I doubt they would jump that high in one poll).

[Mr. Ypsi]

Not an undefeated ORV team, but (#26) IWU went 3-1, with the only loss by 5 to #1 WashU (and they led with less than 5 minutes left).  I'll also admit that none of their wins was over anyone impressive.  Perhaps 20-22?

[David Collinge]

One team that's not on anyone's radar but perhaps should be is an old familiar stripey face, Wittenberg.  It's too early to talk Top 25 for this team, but they have a lot of veterans, a fairly easy schedule, and have already experienced both a blowout win (two, actually, but one was against UC-Clermont which practically doesn't count) and a huge come-from-behind last gasp victory; both of these are good momentum-builders.  They host Capital this week, then after a ten-day break they travel to a resurgent Hiram in early December.  Wins in these games should get people talking about the Tigers again.

[magicman]

Darryl,

Glad to see you're back for another year. Plus k.
Ralph Turner says Mississippi College is a team to watch, so maybe they'll  move into the ORV list next poll. Plus Ralph's picked them as his team in the Survivor Pool.
Hope I didn't just jinx him

[Ralph Turner]

Darryl,

Glad to see you're back for another year. Plus k.
Ralph Turner says Mississippi College is a team to watch, so maybe they'll  move into the ORV list next poll. Plus Ralph's picked them as his team in the Survivor Pool.
Hope I didn't just jinx him

Actually it would not bother me for McMurry to beat Mississippi College in Clinton MS on Nov 30th. 

That will be a tough game.  Mississippi College is tough this year.

[magicman]

Darryl,

Glad to see you're back for another year. Plus k.
Ralph Turner says Mississippi College is a team to watch, so maybe they'll  move into the ORV list next poll. Plus Ralph's picked them as his team in the Survivor Pool.
Hope I didn't just jinx him

Actually it would not bother me for McMurry to beat Mississippi College in Clinton MS on Nov 30th.  

That will be a tough game.  Mississippi College is tough this year.

Sounds like that day will be the proverbial win-win situation for you.

[Hugenerd]

Anyone know if there will be a new top 25 this week?

**Thanks Titan Q for the answer

[Titan Q]

Anyone know if there will be a new top 25 this week?

No poll this week.

[magicman]

#6 Franklin and Marshall falls to Lebanon Valley 62-59. F&M turns the ball over with the scored tied at 59 and 8 seconds to play. Joe Meehan nails a 3 with 1 sec left to provide the margin of victory.

[magicman]

#3 Guilford rolls over Averett 81-56. Quakers led by Tyler Sanborn's 19 pts and 18 rebounds.

[magicman]

#17 UW-Platteville knocks off Pacific Lutheran 68-61. Platteville's Curt Hanson hits 2 three's in 37 seconds to break a 35 all tie and give the Pioneers a 6 pt lead they would never relinquish. Another three by Hanson extended the lead to 9 a short time later and  the Lutes never got closer than 7 pts. Hanson finished with 24 pts and was 5x8 from behind the arc.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared

I assume there is a new poll coming out tomorrow, so next week's report should be a more manageable size ...

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Washington U.	3-0	IDLE
#2	526	John Carroll	4-0	def. #9 Wooster, 71-63
#3	517	Guilford	3-0	def. Averett, 81-56
#4	500	St. Thomas	3-0	def. UW-River Falls, 72-71
#5	498	Richard Stockton	5-1	def. T#44 Widener, 72-53; def. Brooklyn, 78-66
#6	489	Franklin and Marshall	3-1	LOST at Lebanon Valley, 59-62; def. Juniata, 92-53
#7	399	DeSales	3-2	def. Moravian, 71-51; LOST at #19 Randolph-Macon, 63-87
#8	397	Mass-Dartmouth	3-1	def. #22 Brandeis, 92-82
#9	393	Wooster	2-3	def. T#57 Ohio Northern, 70-64; LOST at #2 John Carroll, 63-71
#10	389	UW-Stevens Point	5-0	def. #50 Lawrence, 72-53; def. Edgewood, 75-51
#11	352	Bridgewater State	3-1	def. T#41 Rhode Island College, 95-92
#12	295	Texas-Dallas	3-1	def. Austin, 74-53; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 83-79
#13	289	UW-Whitewater	5-0	def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 96-66; def. Loras, 90-54; def. Grinnell, 134-95
#14	184	Cal Lutheran	0-1	IDLE
#15	171	Wheaton (Ill.)	3-0	def. Loras, 82-60
#16	169	Whitworth	1-1	IDLE
#17	166	UW-Platteville	4-2	LOST to Anderson, 62-65; def. Simpson, 75-58; def. Pacific Lutheran, 68-61
#18	162	Puget Sound	2-4	LOST at St. Martin's, 72-74; def. #24 UW-Oshkosh, 90-87; LOST to (n) UW-Eau Claire, 77-91
#19	149	Randolph-Macon	4-0	def. #7 DeSales, 87-63
#20	147	St. Mary's (Md.)	3-0	IDLE
#21	130	Centre	1-2	def. Franklin, 79-51
#22	123	Brandeis	3-1	LOST at #8 Mass-Dartmouth, 82-92; def. Vassar, 79-52
#23	109	Hope	2-1	LOST to (n) Aquinas  @ Calvin, 59-71; def. #30 Calvin, 79-76
#24	106	UW-Oshkosh	2-3	def. Finlandia, 78-68; LOST to #18 Puget Sound, 87-90; LOST to St. John's, 71-79
#25	95	Amherst	2-0	IDLE

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	72	Illinois Wesleyan	4-1	def. Manchester, 79-77
#27	69	Middlebury	4-0	def. St. Joseph (Vt.), 87-56; def. Johnson State, 88-60
#28	59	Transylvania	2-3	LOST at Wilmington, 64-83; LOST at Thomas More, 67-82
#29	49	Chapman	4-0	def. La Verne, 78-72; def. T#44 Elmhurst, 81-66
#30	47	Calvin	1-3	LOST to Cornerstone, 65-77; LOST to #23 Hope, 76-79
#31	46	Oglethorpe	2-2	LOST at LaGrange, 51-60; def. Maryville (Tenn.), 79-68
#32	43	St. Lawrence	0-2	IDLE
#33	38	Elms	3-0	IDLE
#34	37	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	2-2	def. UC Santa Cruz, 74-60; LOST to St. Olaf, 62-69
#35	35	Catholic	3-2	def. Haverford, 70-37
#36	28	Christopher Newport	2-2	LOST to T#44 Virginia Wesleyan, 58-69; def. Maine-Presque Isle, 91-69; def. Southern Va., 93-82 OT
#37	22	Carnegie Mellon	2-3	LOST to Heidelberg, 60-74; def. Hood, 77-67
#38	19	Ithaca	2-2	LOST to Oneonta State, 83-85
#39	18	Augustana	4-0	def. Anderson, 79-72
#40	15	Bethel	2-1	def. Bethany Lutheran, 68-61
T#41	13	Capital	0-2	LOST at Wittenberg, 69-79; LOST to Marietta, 71-79
T#41	13	Rhode Island College	3-2	LOST at #11 Bridgewater State, 92-95; def. Roger Williams, 84-59
T#41	13	Williams	4-0	def. Wesleyan, 106-91; def. Massachusetts College, 83-62
T#44	12	Elmhurst	2-2	LOST at #29 Chapman, 66-81; def. Redlands, 94-87
T#44	12	St. John Fisher	2-0	def. Brockport State, 78-61
T#44	12	Virginia Wesleyan	4-1	def. #36 Christopher Newport, 69-58; LOST to Eastern Mennonite, 76-79
T#44	12	Widener	4-1	LOST at #5 Richard Stockton, 53-72; def. Neumann, 85-74
#48	11	Salem State	0-3	LOST to Gordon, 83-95
#49	10	Worcester Polytech	4-0	def. Framingham State, 76-74
#50	8	Lawrence	1-4	LOST at #10 UW-Stevens Point, 53-72
#51	6	Farmingdale State	0-2	LOST to Baruch, 59-71
T#52	5	Buena Vista	2-3	LOST to Gustavus Adolphus, 63-65; LOST at Hamline, 84-107
T#52	5	Trinity (Texas)	1-3	IDLE
#54	4	Gwynedd-Mercy	1-2	IDLE
T#55	3	Carthage	4-1	def. Concordia (Wis.), 85-60; def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 72-59
T#55	3	MIT	5-0	def. Curry, 66-56; def. Suffolk, 85-50
T#57	2	Carroll	3-1	def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 100-83; def. Concordia (Wis.), 78-73
T#57	2	Ohio Northern	1-3	LOST at #9 Wooster, 64-70
T#57	2	Ohio Wesleyan	1-3	LOST at Defiance, 71-74; LOST at Albion, 52-62

[magicman]

Score not  shown on the scoreboard. #12 Texas-Dallas defeats Concordia-Austin 81-62.

[John Gleich]

New top 25 is up.  St. Thomas hops over Guilford, Point up to #5, Wheaton #6, Whitewater #7.  4 CCIW teams ranked.  Wooster, at 2-3, drops to #25.

I think St. John's is a team to watch.  They dropped their first two games, but I think they've got potential to make a run at the MIAC.

[sac]

Is there another conference in the country where a team can lose to the #1 team, then hit a halfcourt shot at the buzzer vs an unranked team and move up 10 spots in the poll?

Or beat 1 unranked WIAC team and 2 teams from the Nathcon and move up 40 spots?