Top 25 talk

[John Gleich]

To All:

With some help from others...my curiosity led me to compiling a list of teams with the Most Wins since the 2002-03 season.  I started at 02-03 because DeSales (in PA) started a string of six 20+ win seasons in that seven year time frame and I wanted to see where it ranked among all Division III Men's basketball teams.

If someone would be so kind as to check my numbers to see if (A) I forgot anyone and (B) my win totals are correct.

Thanks in advance - here is the list

School - Wins (since 02-03 season)
1 - Wooster - 184
2 - Amherst - 183
3 - Stevens Point - 172
4 - Hope - 162
5 - Virginia Wesleyan - 160
6 - Salem St. - 158
7 - Mississippi College - 157
8t - St. John Fisher - 155
8t - Washington U. - 155
8t - Buena Vista - 155
11 - DeSales - 151

Does this count postseason?

I'm pretty sure it does.  It takes the overall record from the teams' pages here on D3hoops through last year.

[BJ - DSU SID]

To All:

With some help from others...my curiosity led me to compiling a list of teams with the Most Wins since the 2002-03 season.  I started at 02-03 because DeSales (in PA) started a string of six 20+ win seasons in that seven year time frame and I wanted to see where it ranked among all Division III Men's basketball teams.

If someone would be so kind as to check my numbers to see if (A) I forgot anyone and (B) my win totals are correct.

Thanks in advance - here is the list

School - Wins (since 02-03 season)
1 - Wooster - 184
2 - Amherst - 183
3 - Stevens Point - 172
4 - Hope - 162
5 - Virginia Wesleyan - 160
6 - Salem St. - 158
7 - Mississippi College - 157
8t - St. John Fisher - 155
8t - Washington U. - 155
8t - Buena Vista - 155
11 - DeSales - 151

Does this count postseason?

Yes counts all wins regular and post-season.

[Hugenerd]

One thing you have to consider with these numbers is that WashU's numbers are suppressed compared to the others on the list because the UAA does not have a conference tourney.  That is potentially another 21 games they could have played/won.

Also, to give you an idea of how many wins Wooster and Amherst have, Caltech has only lost 168 games over this same period of time.  In other words, a lot of teams havent even played 183-184 games in the past 7 years.

[John Gleich]

So, we're basically looking for teams with an average of 21 and a half wins or more over this stretch (150 wins/7 years).  A number of teams that I checked that I thought might be there were close...

St Thomas 149
Wittenberg 149
UW Whitewater 148
Rochester 145
Puget Sound 143
Lawrence 141
Augustana 140

I can't think of any other traditionally really good teams that we should look at that haven't had a couple of down years in the last 7. 


Also, I've got the top 11 like this:

1 - Wooster - 184
2 - Amherst - 183
3 - Stevens Point - 172
4 - Hope - 161
5 - Virginia Wesleyan - 160
6t - Salem St. - 157
6t - Mississippi College - 157
8t - Buena Vista - 155
8t - Washington U. - 155
10 - St. John Fisher - 154
11 - DeSales - 151

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Hope total is 162

02-03  23-5
03-04  21-5
04-05  15-12
05-06  28-3
06-07  26-5
07-08  28-4
08-09  21-8

Total  162-42

[John Gleich]

Hope total is 162

02-03  23-5
03-04  21-5
04-05  15-12
05-06  28-3
06-07  26-5
07-08  28-4
08-09  21-8

Total  162-42

You're correct.  I was going off of the accumulated numbers on Hope's page, which are not correct (they have 08-09 at 20-8).  I'll check the other two changes as well.

[John Gleich]

Salem State is 158 like originally reported (08-09 was off by 1 win as well).
St. John Fisher is also like originally reported (08-09 was off by 1 win and 1 loss).

[BJ - DSU SID]

Thanks gang for the feedback.  If any of you or anyone else comes across another team that should be on this list, feel free to let me know.

I might try to put together a top 20 list at some point (maybe over the Christmas break) and I'll try to update it at the end of the year as well and make it an eight-year list.

Good Luck to your respective teams this year.

[ronk]

BJ,
  If you want to do it for the women also, Scranton has 184.

[Titan Q]

Wondering if we can start posting links anytime live video is available for a Top 25 team?

Today, #16 IWU plays @ U. of Chicago (4:00pm Central)...

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/mbk.htm

[D.B. Cooper]

It seems arbitrary & awkward to do this win count for an eight year stretch of time that suits one programs successful period. It would make a lot more sense to evaluate programs by the decade (like 1980-1989, 1990-1999, 2000-present). Just my opinion.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

BJ,
  If you want to do it for the women also, Scranton has 184.

And Hope has 192

[Hugenerd]

It seems arbitrary & awkward to do this win count for an eight year stretch of time that suits one programs successful period. It would make a lot more sense to evaluate programs by the decade (like 1980-1989, 1990-1999, 2000-present). Just my opinion.

The nice thing about doing it in the time frame proposed is that d3hoops has data for all the teams easily accessible in one place.  If you wanted to go back further you would need to go to each individual team's site and find the records for seasons prior to 02-03 (if their teams website provided them).  I think it was coincidence that this was the time period that the DeSales AD was interested in, but it works out very well logistically in terms of not having to do a whole lot of research.

[BJ - DSU SID]

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

DB - It may be arbitrary in your mind but as an SID my job is to promote the school I work for so although arbitrary to pick that year it'd be stupid for me to pick a year that dropped us from the top 11 teams in the country for total wins.  I can now use this stat with my local media, recruits, etc...If someone reads that DeSales has the 11th most wins of any Division III team in the country (and the most of any team in the Mid-Atlantic Region) over the last seven years is much nicer than saying we have the 30th or 40th (or whatever that number is) most wins since 2000.

As for the women's numbers...I'd probably start that win total in 1999-00 if I were going to do it cause from that year on DeSales has won 20+ games in all but two years.  I'll see if I get the time.

Enjoy the weekend tilt of games.

[David Collinge]

Wondering if we can start posting links anytime live video is available for a Top 25 team?

I doubt we could get a comprehensive list, but who knows.  Anyway, #22 Wittenberg and #25 Wooster will both be on the air today.
#22 Wittenberg at Hiram, 5:30 EST, video by Hiram
#25 Wooster at Kenyon, ~3:00 EST (after the Kenyon women vs. Baldwin-Wallace), video by Kenyon